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this equals 50g of protein

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Created June 07, 2011 at 2:05 PM

i just ate 8 slices of back bacon and two large eggs....and it was a struggle! why did i do this you ask? so i won't be ** title of entry in Dr. K's blog removed because it is offensive to some ** of course 8D

i need options for my good morning world! what the hell am i gonna eat in the next 30 minutes dillema.

i know you all have yummy go to's; please share.

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on June 08, 2011
at 09:42 AM

Neither ever complained when I mixed them ;-)

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at 08:37 AM

I've reread the first 7 levees, and understand how they link together and why leptin is an important base to future health. I can't find any reference to NPY on your site, though (and the search function isn't working). I've done a brief search via google and OVID, and can't find any evidence that a bolus of protein and fat will block NPY and (therefore??) make me more sensitive to leptin. I'm not arguing at all about the importance of leptin sensitivity, I'm only trying to figure out why eating so early and so much is required.

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on June 08, 2011
at 12:34 AM

@Jac....your missing context. It has zero to do what your doing. It has all to do with restoring leptin sensitivity. You need the protein load to shut NPY off......and fast. Fat and protein do it. If you want to eat coconut oil to do so go ahead.....protein is easier to eat in that quantity than fats. I have been known to guzzle coconut oil in between surgeries at lunch

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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at 12:29 AM

sage is correct.......the levees are ordered in number of importance. Leptin is levee two. It does not get solved forget the rest. You will be suffering from every stall known to man. And most of the question on here could be answered by fixing leptin. You can use protein powder to fix leptin but longterm not a good startegy because of what it does to insulin.....and its very processed. Lots of garbage in most protein powders. But to solve leptin resistance I am fine with it. Once solved change it.

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at 10:45 PM

Your comment is so hilarous! I was just dying of laughter reading it when a co-worker buzzed down to ask me for chicken recipe!

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I don't use shakes (dairy intolerant and wanting to lose weight) but I also thought that I read about shakes and protein powder spiking insulin? I clearly don't understand all this, but it seems counter-intuitive to use protein powder. I didn't think they maintain satiety for the kind of term Jack is shooting for?

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at 08:59 PM

Yes, that's my understanding. I can see where this push for morning protein would be important for someone coming off the SAD, but for those of us who are already stable re cravings and hunger, I don't see the benefit.

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:57 PM

i love those wasabi nostil fires!

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at 08:54 PM

hi Jac, my understanding is that it isn't a long term strategy. its a beginning. and once the goal of being leptin sensitive is achieved, it is no longer followed. have i got it right?

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at 08:39 PM

Shipwrecked 1907 Heidsieck

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:34 PM

what wine do you drink with it

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on June 07, 2011
at 05:29 PM

Joe you are invited to brakfast. Lance - I guess I don't really notice the salt. Are you sure you're not thinking anchovies?

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on June 07, 2011
at 05:15 PM

How can you hack the salt in the sardines. My mouth feels like it's a desert hours after eating them hehe

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on June 07, 2011
at 04:50 PM

that sounds really good, actually

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at 04:41 PM

AAAAhhaahahahaha that's so gross..

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on June 07, 2011
at 03:52 PM

Great answer. With those options you can hit 50 grams. Also, for those with little appetite in the AM, I find a whey shake to be easy to get about 25 grams down in literally seconds.

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on June 07, 2011
at 03:51 PM

In Japan there's a dish called oyako don, it literally means parent-child. It's chicken and eggs:)

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on June 07, 2011
at 03:32 PM

I was just this minute researching what constitutes 50g of protein after reading the blog yesterday. Thanks for the question.

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at 02:56 PM

"is only a motion away" has an all new imagery...gee thanks

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on June 07, 2011
at 02:54 PM

never thought about it that way...

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on June 07, 2011
at 02:51 PM

thanks Spelaug....i like everything you listed

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at 02:49 PM

sorry Shari; it wasn't meant as a joke. it was a vague reference to a blog title that i did not want to run the risk of blatantly listing here.....so many ways to run a foul in cyberspace; again sorry if i offended you.

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at 02:28 PM

I appreciate your question and think its a good one but are fat "jokes" at the expense of others really necessary here. I understand that most people would rather lose a limb than be fat but I think it might be better if we try to keep those feelings to ourselves.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 07, 2011
at 02:51 PM

No offense, however, I got to tell you bro, I will eat any kind of offal, but the image of a Chicken breast omelet makes me want blast chunks. It's a sort of mother and child reunion.

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

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on June 07, 2011
at 04:41 PM

AAAAhhaahahahaha that's so gross..

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on June 07, 2011
at 02:54 PM

never thought about it that way...

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on June 07, 2011
at 10:45 PM

Your comment is so hilarous! I was just dying of laughter reading it when a co-worker buzzed down to ask me for chicken recipe!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 07, 2011
at 03:51 PM

In Japan there's a dish called oyako don, it literally means parent-child. It's chicken and eggs:)

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on June 08, 2011
at 09:42 AM

Neither ever complained when I mixed them ;-)

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on June 07, 2011
at 02:56 PM

"is only a motion away" has an all new imagery...gee thanks

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on June 07, 2011
at 02:29 PM

Salmon with pepper is nice in the mornings, sounds strange but is quite tasty. Make a lean steak and egg breakfast, or throw a pork chop on in. Chicken breast omelets with your favorite veggies go a long way. Try to get away from your typical thinking of "Breakfast foods" and use breakfast as what it is named for. To break the fast from your sleep. Last nights supper is always good early morning in the fry pan. I don't think I have found anything that is not better re heated in the skillet and chopped up in the early hours of the day.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 07, 2011
at 03:52 PM

Great answer. With those options you can hit 50 grams. Also, for those with little appetite in the AM, I find a whey shake to be easy to get about 25 grams down in literally seconds.

792634a784ec6a636c3137d0903e11b4

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on June 07, 2011
at 09:03 PM

I don't use shakes (dairy intolerant and wanting to lose weight) but I also thought that I read about shakes and protein powder spiking insulin? I clearly don't understand all this, but it seems counter-intuitive to use protein powder. I didn't think they maintain satiety for the kind of term Jack is shooting for?

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on June 07, 2011
at 02:51 PM

thanks Spelaug....i like everything you listed

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:02 PM

I have been considering whether to jump on this particular bandwagon, but so far there is no evidence provided that supports forcing that amount of protein at that time.

I agree that there's plenty of evidence from other sites that increasing protein and fat (not necessarily in that order) will help with leptin sensitivity. However, I thought that the 'eat breakfast' argument had been pretty well debunked in terms of its role in metabolism. I guess if I was heading off to do surgery all day, or to some other job that meant high concentration, high stamina and limited access to good food then I'd eat like that first thing. In fact, if I'm heading into that kind of day, I do force a good breakfast. But I'm spending my day marking essays within an easy walk of my own kitchen. Why would I stuff myself with food that my body is going to struggle to digest today??

This from the comments section of part 3:

"Why do you want to rise and eat that protein so quick? The food effects the gut???s incretin system to stimulate PYY which immediately sends messages to the hypothalamus that you just ate high quality chow and we don???t need to eat again for a while. So it in essence it shuts of all hunger signals (arcuate nucleus) and craving signals (NPY). It also helps shut off morning cortisol which sensitizes the liver to perform when fuel stores do get lower later??????.in english this means you can go longer on the food you ate with out feeding again. Your liver is able to distribute its stored calories when you need them??????and this ultimately results in less calories eaten and you have no hunger or cravings to boot. This sounds like an obese persons dream but I can tell you this is precisely the mechanism of how a paleolithic diet works to shred fat and weight. The more protein and fat you eat the less calories your brain will crave and drive your behavior to graze. Next real bonus then occurs??????this allows you to stretch your meals sometimes to once or twice a day. When you eat a calorie reduced diet without hunger or cravings??????this is called intermittent fasting (IF). We are biologically wired for this because in paleo times we did not have 24/7 access to Costco???s. And IF increases a cellular process called autophagy that increases our lifespan by recycling our cells and keeping our cardiac stem cells from being used up! Moreover, eating meat early in AM (bacon) provides us with a nutrient called carnosine which has also been shown to increase our telomere length. Anything that increases our telomere length increases our survival too. This is the great circle of life. Paleo is not a faileo diet. Eat meat and eat it as soon as you rise. Im very strict about my timing of meals??????the food itself just needs to follow paleo dietary pillars. you mentioned your heart?????????.IF stimulates autophagy to save your heart cells from getting taken out! The Circle of life is now complete"

How is this argument any different from the paleo argument? I'd really like to hear from people who followed the science and found this change (to large amounts of protein first thing in the morning) to be compelling. I just don't at this point.

792634a784ec6a636c3137d0903e11b4

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:59 PM

Yes, that's my understanding. I can see where this push for morning protein would be important for someone coming off the SAD, but for those of us who are already stable re cravings and hunger, I don't see the benefit.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:54 PM

hi Jac, my understanding is that it isn't a long term strategy. its a beginning. and once the goal of being leptin sensitive is achieved, it is no longer followed. have i got it right?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on June 08, 2011
at 12:29 AM

sage is correct.......the levees are ordered in number of importance. Leptin is levee two. It does not get solved forget the rest. You will be suffering from every stall known to man. And most of the question on here could be answered by fixing leptin. You can use protein powder to fix leptin but longterm not a good startegy because of what it does to insulin.....and its very processed. Lots of garbage in most protein powders. But to solve leptin resistance I am fine with it. Once solved change it.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on June 08, 2011
at 12:34 AM

@Jac....your missing context. It has zero to do what your doing. It has all to do with restoring leptin sensitivity. You need the protein load to shut NPY off......and fast. Fat and protein do it. If you want to eat coconut oil to do so go ahead.....protein is easier to eat in that quantity than fats. I have been known to guzzle coconut oil in between surgeries at lunch

792634a784ec6a636c3137d0903e11b4

(1196)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:37 AM

I've reread the first 7 levees, and understand how they link together and why leptin is an important base to future health. I can't find any reference to NPY on your site, though (and the search function isn't working). I've done a brief search via google and OVID, and can't find any evidence that a bolus of protein and fat will block NPY and (therefore??) make me more sensitive to leptin. I'm not arguing at all about the importance of leptin sensitivity, I'm only trying to figure out why eating so early and so much is required.

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on June 07, 2011
at 05:06 PM

i was wondering the same thing 50g of protein is a hellofalot of protein first thing in the morning... anyone think of just a protein powder(dunno if it is drKurse appvd...) with coconut milk?

i tried to down 50g of protein this morning and it was an epic fail and bloating episode. is there harm in putting it off until youre hungry?

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on June 07, 2011
at 03:08 PM

It's really quick and easy to scramble up some eggs and slice up an avocado (or some home made guac from the night before). That's my usual go - to breakfast if I get up with more than 5 minutes to get out the door.

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on June 08, 2011
at 03:18 AM

Try the eggs in different forms. Poached over spinach, sunny-side up over leftover meat, hard-boiled egg on the go, deviled eggs, the list goes on and on. Just did an "egg house" that was literally tomato baking in the oven with an egg inside. So good and simple! Pop it in the oven, take your morning shower, and by the time you are out, you have breakfast!

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on June 08, 2011
at 02:03 AM

I never want any protein first thing in the morning. Bleargh.

I usually start my day with cream, fruit, and more cream. Then 3 eggs with lots of butter when I've been up for a few hours.

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at 04:22 PM

I am certain that this will be appetizing to no one but me.

4 eggs

1 can sardines

2 sheets nori

generous glob of wasabi

Scramble egg whites, cook, turn off heat, add yolks and mix through, add sardines and mush them right in there. Take that goop and roll in up in the nori. Dip in the wasabi until your nostrils catch fire. Bite, chew well, swallow.

Actually, I am able to eat half of this and now I'm so stuffed I can barely walk. I guess I'll have to work towards eating the whole mess.

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on June 07, 2011
at 05:29 PM

Joe you are invited to brakfast. Lance - I guess I don't really notice the salt. Are you sure you're not thinking anchovies?

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:39 PM

Shipwrecked 1907 Heidsieck

A2fe5bbd09c7804fd321e9e9a9f9d199

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on June 07, 2011
at 04:50 PM

that sounds really good, actually

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on June 07, 2011
at 05:15 PM

How can you hack the salt in the sardines. My mouth feels like it's a desert hours after eating them hehe

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:34 PM

what wine do you drink with it

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on June 07, 2011
at 08:57 PM

i love those wasabi nostil fires!

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on June 07, 2011
at 03:41 PM

I'm really not hungry in the morning. Never have been. It'll be problematic to not be hungry and also not be awake or inspired, but have to get 50g eating 30 min. after waking.

It looks like loosely: 2 or 3 eggs and a piece of chicken or 4oz ground beef will do it. Almonds also have a fair amount but we're not supposed to eat too many of them. Ditto beans, but lentils have a good amount. I think I will cook meat the night before then gnaw on a cold piece of chicken while making a three egg omelet. Maybe a spoonful of almond butter while cooking.

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