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spiritual side of paleo?

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Created September 28, 2012 at 11:50 PM

so i guess the whole point of paleo is to reconnect with your ancestral roots, obviously food does not have a monopoly on this, i only say this because being paleo for this short amount of time (couple weeks) has really opened my eyes and expanded my viewpoints on some things.

so... anybody here "spiritual" ? and if so, what do you do or practice to maintain this

174e95f0db64af68196a6c07b5f7bc47

on November 11, 2013
at 03:57 AM

Dan 29, why were you getting upset about this (you objected to "occult" comments at least twice here that I can see)? Someone asked a question about the spiritual side of paleo. Some people chose to mention religious ties to paleo. That's hardly out of left field.

174e95f0db64af68196a6c07b5f7bc47

on November 11, 2013
at 03:51 AM

Actually, Jamie 14, lots of people self-identify as Heathens. (Google "Heathenry" for proof.) It's kind of like the term "Pagan"-- even if it was originally used as a derogatory term by Christians for non-Christians, modern-day Pagans have reclaimed it.

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on September 30, 2012
at 07:16 AM

@Jamie Somebody is wrong on the internet!!! Actually Heathen is derived from Old English, that which means not Jewish and Christian. And it is in fact our chosen term for "us," by and large.

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on September 30, 2012
at 03:07 AM

Hells yes! I dig your style.

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on September 29, 2012
at 09:00 PM

Oh I definitely agree. I think the lightheadeness and physical weakness they experience is mistaken as some sort of divine state of altered consciousness/interaction with the Pleiades.

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on September 29, 2012
at 07:56 PM

http://paleohacks.com/questions/119666/omg-what-is-this-crazy-ecstasy-like-euphoric-feeling#axzz27phN3a8L

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:52 AM

Meant is an odd word here. Should probably be "suited to", or "natural for".

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at 05:50 AM

Thanks likes likeslard :) I just realised I missed some of the question, lol. What I do to practice this ATM, is just spending time in nature/walking/exercise, lighting candles at night, listening/writing tribal/ethno ambient and other spiritual music and being with people I care about. Spending time with mental stillness and appreciation. I hope to incorporate tai chi soon, but am dealing with alot of stuff ATM..

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:45 AM

I think veganism is associated with spirituality because the confused, light-headed concoction of deficiencies is mistaken for a spiritual state. Not that a spiritual state IMO, is similar. I find it more visceral, hyperreal, clear than detached or wafty.

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at 05:41 AM

I like your answer Dan W. There is something to be said here, in the paleo lifestyle for the _sense_ of the spiritual. Grounding, yes. It could be compared to a lack of distraction or imbalance, like a returning home, mentally - especially when you include spending time in nature/living naturally as well as the diet. Its that , every day _sense_, the feeling, thats important IMO.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:36 AM

Fair point about the word, spiritual. It can be unnessasarily vague - a feeling, an essence, a sense of meaning OR a ritual or practice OR metaphysics OR religion itself.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:29 AM

No. Body and feelings makes perfect sense. Nothing in the post I made, that you downvoted and attacked, said anything about feelings. It said I don't believe in spirit, ghosts, souls...something that apparently offended you.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:27 AM

@DanW - Downvoting, coming at me because I don't have the same belief in fairytales you do? Yeah, it's an attack.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:25 AM

Dan - This is a crowd-sourcing page. I stated what I personally thought of fairytale belief systems. That's how I work. I didn't suggest you or anyone else needed to think the same way. You commented back first, down-voted me and what did you say? Read the tone of your message. It was snarky. Also, "Come ON, guys, just because he says the S-word doesn't mean you..."? Seriously, stating what I believe, or what another believes isn't an attack. You believe in things you don't have evidence for, good on you, but don't pretend you are being reasonable, all evidence is to the contrary.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:05 AM

I don't question your beliefs at all... and why do you think I'm on a "war path"? All I've done is pointed out how *you* are *attacking* people with different (spiritual) viewpoints. No one has attacked your beliefs... However, *you* have been the one calling names, relentlessly picking on those with any sort of belief in something other than physical reality, not to mention with an extremely condescending attitude, e.g.- "I noticed you seem to have trouble reading." If you're going to debate, you could at least not be nasty. If you really believe "to each their own," then stop *attacking* us.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:58 AM

LikesLard, I feel like you're just swinging at air. My "war path"? That made me lol.

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:54 AM

I assure you, LikesLardinMayo, you're the only one obsessing here. No one is going off ranting about Hare Krishna. You seem overly reactive to anything related to spirituality. Do you really think that people who see a connection between the body and their feelings are "crazy religious people"?

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:46 AM

Jamie - I get what your post was saying. It's a very right-brain, intuitive way of talking about the real world. I don't consider that spiritual, just as I don't consider Diogenes spiritual. Philosophical? Sure. The problem with the word "Spiritual" is largely that no body defines what they mean by it. Given how most N. Americans use it I don't see how it is relevant to Paleo. Or maybe how it "has to be, whether you like it or not"

47edf681280750c3712a3a56f2eae33b

on September 29, 2012
at 04:31 AM

I have a problem with "MEANT to eat." We were meant to eat with our mouths, that's pretty much evolution, undeniably. However, what we DO eat is culturally determined, regardless of the epoch. Modern Paleo in NO WAY resembles true Paleolithic lifeways, at least as it appears hear as a cultural decision to change the way one appropriates and consumes nutrition. I don't do shit cos I AM MEANT TO. I do shit because it gives me pleasure and the results sustain my material and personal goals. I'm an athlete and I work in beauty. Paleo makes me competitive and good looking. End of argument.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:29 AM

There are versions of occultism (the practice of magick), that are more psychological in nature (A bit like visualising a golf swing before you take it). I guess its a contraversial topic. But I am personally glad to see this topic, as it is something that is rarely talked about in paleo circles. Even if that means alot of speculative beleifs expressed.

47edf681280750c3712a3a56f2eae33b

on September 29, 2012
at 04:27 AM

I like you starfire! It IS possible to hold two conflicting beliefs in tandem and with tension. That is the beauty of life! There is no whole entire way that works for everybody because every body is different. I think one of the problems we have is the guilt or need to punish ourselves for failing a commitment. Who gives a starbucks. Indulge, enjoy and carry on!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:22 AM

Hidden, secret, unseen are all synonymous. Its worth noting that most of what you find under "Occultation" is astronomy etc... However, whether we mean unseen, hidden or hoodo-voodo they all apply to the idea of a spirit or ghost as part of the human condition. I don't buy supernatural stuff, I don't really like the language and I really don't think disliking it was cause for down votes or DanW going on his war path. I don't think I have to appreciate "spirituality"...but as I said "Too each their own"

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:09 AM

Occult actually means secret, likeslard. As in secret knowledge. Its generally used these days to refer to magick and paganism. Because of this association, and how its been negatively slated by years of discrimination and violence (like modern witch hunt), some might consider it an offensive term (which is a sad consequence of christianity really). If occult meant unseen, it would apply to virtual particles and subatomics, like quarks, and the higgs boson, or physical things that you havent seen, like the dark side of the moon. Not that I beleive in a soul.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:06 AM

I find your point of veiw interesting likeslard. But Id like to say though, you come off as pehaps a little defensive. This is a legitimate topic, and one id like to discuss, so if it bothers you at all, please feel free not to read it! (No offense intended, I undestand that highly religious folks can be frustrating, dissonant and illogical, but lets not project that POV onto all possible POVs that could be expressed here)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:03 AM

Nice. Well said.

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:58 AM

I think your right about the paleo choices. You do somehow feel more spiritual, being in nature, getting sunlight, walking, playing. Its like your part of something...IDK, vivid, hyperreal as well as meditative, and ancient. Its probably something about relaxed attention, but it feels alot deeper than any explaination.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:54 AM

Not really. Your subjective experience isn't mine so saying that the way I eat is "spiritual" whether I like it or not is just lame.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:53 AM

Yes. Can you see your spirit? No. That makes it occult. Occult mean unseen. You are pretending like spirits exist. Great, maybe they do, now prove it. If you can't then the word is irrelevant.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:51 AM

Can I just say this is why moderators tend to close these threads Dan W.? Because crazy religious people obsess.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:49 AM

Because I find the idea of spirituality to be nonsensical. That's how I feel about it. I noticed you seem to have trouble reading. Perhaps "Too each their own" was outside of your visual field? Why should I pretend to agree with you when I don't? Belief in the supernatural is unsupportable by evidence and I don't believe in things without evidence. Why is that controversial?

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:29 AM

Nobody calls themselves a heathen. Its a judeo-christian word.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:04 AM

Seriously, man- did he say *anything* about the occult?

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:01 AM

Why must you shoot it down as "spiritual nonsense"?? What did he say that is so objectionable? That he feels that his mind is a little more open now?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 01:43 AM

What does street smart have to do with one's "soul"? Intuition is your right-brain, logic is your left-brain. (Very generally speaking) Using both isn't a limiting factor.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 01:40 AM

What you just described is an increase in dopamine sensitivity and level blood sugar. Also, I have to say I note from your above message that your "feelings of love" don't extend to those who don't believe in the occult so I'm not sure how universal or 'spiritual' it really is.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 01:38 AM

I don't see it that way, and you are asserting that belief as fact, though I suspect you have no evidence. "Of, relating to, or affecting...the soul as opposed to material or physical things." I don't have any reason to believe in souls, I see no evidence for them. As such diet certainly can't get me "in touch" with something that doesn't exist. If this person meant history, anthropology or education that is great but you quote mining him and ignoring the fact that this referred to the aforementioned spiritual nonsense doesn't change anything.

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on September 29, 2012
at 01:01 AM

You have nailed how I am beginning to feel I am definitely more grounded in every way. This has been a humbling experience for me and through that my spirit is awakened.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:43 AM

That's not paleo. ;j

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:34 AM

Come ON, guys, just because he says the S-word doesn't mean you guys have to think about cults, religion, or anything like that.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:33 AM

Is the body's health not connected to our spirit?

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:32 AM

Yes, "opening my eyes" and "expanding viewpoints" is "hoodo voodo"... Come on, things can be "spiritual" without being flaky superstition...

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23c8aef5287e3e5d331ea4d1cf3a30f6

on September 29, 2012
at 02:30 AM

Well, this is gonna be a complicated answer. My labels are Jewish and atheist. (Yes, those are compatible.) I am atheist but not materialist; that is, I don't believe in God but I don't necessarily think that what's physical is all there is.

Although I've only been doing my version of Paleo* eating for a week, I have been learning about the Paleo lifestyle and incorporating bits and pieces for several years. I find that when I am more Paleo, I have this experience of being more connected, with my body and the world around me. It sounds so glib, but this sensation is really amazing- I can describe it as feeling more right. Maybe what I'm trying to say is that there's something in me that's been wanting this all along and when I make Paleo choices it's as though the world comes into clearer focus or clicks into place and it's VERY satisfying.

*Which totally is probably not Paleo by purists' standards. But I eat what feels right to my body.

So when I think of the Paleo choices I've made, like going for walks outside, eating intuitively, hula hooping, taking time to be in natural settings, sunbathing or choosing to get enough sleep during the night time, I reflect on them with deep bodily satisfaction. Well, I say bodily, but although we live in a culture that explicitly separates body and mind, I know that they are unified. So I reflect on them with an all-encompassing satisfaction. The greatest spiritual experience I have had in my life involved an amazing sense of detachment; of being utterly content without worrying about externals. Somehow, Paleo choices help me find a part of that- help me find a place where I am not striving to be someone else. Only myself.

I feel that pushing strict Paleo eating as though it were the be-all and end-all is contrary to the ultimate benefit we can get from it. People's bodies are different, they will respond differently to the same stimuli. But what Paleo really offers is a nudge- "Remember who you are. Remember your basic needs. Meet those needs thoughtfully and with love." We're humans. We need movement, sunshine, whole foods, each other. And anything that goes against that is missing the point.

47edf681280750c3712a3a56f2eae33b

on September 29, 2012
at 04:27 AM

I like you starfire! It IS possible to hold two conflicting beliefs in tandem and with tension. That is the beauty of life! There is no whole entire way that works for everybody because every body is different. I think one of the problems we have is the guilt or need to punish ourselves for failing a commitment. Who gives a starbucks. Indulge, enjoy and carry on!

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:58 AM

I think your right about the paleo choices. You do somehow feel more spiritual, being in nature, getting sunlight, walking, playing. Its like your part of something...IDK, vivid, hyperreal as well as meditative, and ancient. Its probably something about relaxed attention, but it feels alot deeper than any explaination.

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:50 AM

Yes, but not in any conventional sense. I do not beleive in an anthropic god, nor do I place my faith in an afterlife. (Could be, but might not be an afterlife. certainly we dont know where the universe came from, what its made out of, or what conciousness is, but equally few of us have an direct experience of an afterlife, if any)

For me paleo, is about living in a human natural way, more than it is a mere diet. That included sleeping right, eating right, exercising, playing, having right relations with other human beings - and veiwing the world in the essentially vivid subjective manner that is true to the nature of our minds, and of our perceptions/senses.

The philosophy of phenomenology, such as Husserl, posits that all human knowledge is entirely confined to the subjective, and thus it is only the subjective that is true (approximately), and there is no such thing as objective. I agree with this. We are subjective beings, with subjective minds, and subjective senses - our experiences are strongly subjective.

This impression that science and skepticism can provid solid and certain knowledge, with which we can rest our whole view of the world on is a false impression. Science is great, but knowledge has severe limits, which is obvious if you think about the logic of scientific theory, or the nature of knowledge.

So I see the world as archetypes. This is a bit like animism. I see lifeforce as an essence, life as an essence. I see possibility, or chaos as an essence. I veiw the universe, as an expression of essential forces like these.

I also see the world as essentially unknowable, unfathomable, contradictory. And I see things as continous, or inseperable - connected. This is a bit like mysticism.

For me, this helps provide my life with meaning and context. I see this sense of meaning, connection to the world, as tied to my being paleo. They are both ways to exist naturally, according to human nature.

This fits with my human need for nature, with my human need for sunshine, with my human need for community and a need for real food. My body and being is designed with needs. One of those needs is a worldveiw that is natural and satisfying.

That said, there is some internal contradiction in the human mind, between human logic, and human superstition (the beleif in coincidences or co-occurence/synchronisity etc). I am not certain coincidences ever have particular importance or not, but it seems that beleiving too strongly in them is a deeply psychological related affair, and can contradict with a clear and logical veiw of events.

One has to be aware of what beleifs are bad crutches and which ones are good ones. Like "jesus" said build your house on stone, and not on sand. A strong beleif in intervention may lead only to disappointment when reality doesnt comply. Your better to have beleif that dont lean heavily on contingences, syncronisity or intervention.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:03 AM

Nice. Well said.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:50 AM

Thanks likes likeslard :) I just realised I missed some of the question, lol. What I do to practice this ATM, is just spending time in nature/walking/exercise, lighting candles at night, listening/writing tribal/ethno ambient and other spiritual music and being with people I care about. Spending time with mental stillness and appreciation. I hope to incorporate tai chi soon, but am dealing with alot of stuff ATM..

23c8aef5287e3e5d331ea4d1cf3a30f6

on September 30, 2012
at 03:07 AM

Hells yes! I dig your style.

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on September 29, 2012
at 01:19 AM

I've done the opposite. Was highly spiritual when doing raw vegan and fruitarianism. Was very much into Pantheism and Buddhism... Now that I have been eating paleo, not so much. My views have changed. If I had to classify, I would say Humanism would best fit. I feel as tho there isn't much to this life other than what we see in the here and now. We only live once and need to live life to the extreme. I am, however, far more content with my life being paleo. Perhaps the term "more grounded" is right on target for me, too.

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194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:40 AM

YES. Ignore the (heathens) saying it's silly. I've experienced the spiritual side of paleo, it's impossible to ignore. And no, it's not some wishy-washy massage-my-chakras kind of thing. It's just about being more grounded in reality.

Simply put, the transcendent, passionate, dare I say spiritual side of me has benefited from the following changes I have experienced since going paleo:

Increased mental clarity Improved vision Emotional stability (virtually no more mood swings) Greater feelings of love for people ditto for nature ditto for the self... Increased confidence

Paleo is grounding.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:36 AM

Fair point about the word, spiritual. It can be unnessasarily vague - a feeling, an essence, a sense of meaning OR a ritual or practice OR metaphysics OR religion itself.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:09 AM

Occult actually means secret, likeslard. As in secret knowledge. Its generally used these days to refer to magick and paganism. Because of this association, and how its been negatively slated by years of discrimination and violence (like modern witch hunt), some might consider it an offensive term (which is a sad consequence of christianity really). If occult meant unseen, it would apply to virtual particles and subatomics, like quarks, and the higgs boson, or physical things that you havent seen, like the dark side of the moon. Not that I beleive in a soul.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:06 AM

I find your point of veiw interesting likeslard. But Id like to say though, you come off as pehaps a little defensive. This is a legitimate topic, and one id like to discuss, so if it bothers you at all, please feel free not to read it! (No offense intended, I undestand that highly religious folks can be frustrating, dissonant and illogical, but lets not project that POV onto all possible POVs that could be expressed here)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:46 AM

Jamie - I get what your post was saying. It's a very right-brain, intuitive way of talking about the real world. I don't consider that spiritual, just as I don't consider Diogenes spiritual. Philosophical? Sure. The problem with the word "Spiritual" is largely that no body defines what they mean by it. Given how most N. Americans use it I don't see how it is relevant to Paleo. Or maybe how it "has to be, whether you like it or not"

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:27 AM

@DanW - Downvoting, coming at me because I don't have the same belief in fairytales you do? Yeah, it's an attack.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 01:40 AM

What you just described is an increase in dopamine sensitivity and level blood sugar. Also, I have to say I note from your above message that your "feelings of love" don't extend to those who don't believe in the occult so I'm not sure how universal or 'spiritual' it really is.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:53 AM

Yes. Can you see your spirit? No. That makes it occult. Occult mean unseen. You are pretending like spirits exist. Great, maybe they do, now prove it. If you can't then the word is irrelevant.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:22 AM

Hidden, secret, unseen are all synonymous. Its worth noting that most of what you find under "Occultation" is astronomy etc... However, whether we mean unseen, hidden or hoodo-voodo they all apply to the idea of a spirit or ghost as part of the human condition. I don't buy supernatural stuff, I don't really like the language and I really don't think disliking it was cause for down votes or DanW going on his war path. I don't think I have to appreciate "spirituality"...but as I said "Too each their own"

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:41 AM

I like your answer Dan W. There is something to be said here, in the paleo lifestyle for the _sense_ of the spiritual. Grounding, yes. It could be compared to a lack of distraction or imbalance, like a returning home, mentally - especially when you include spending time in nature/living naturally as well as the diet. Its that , every day _sense_, the feeling, thats important IMO.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:04 AM

Seriously, man- did he say *anything* about the occult?

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on September 29, 2012
at 01:01 AM

You have nailed how I am beginning to feel I am definitely more grounded in every way. This has been a humbling experience for me and through that my spirit is awakened.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:58 AM

LikesLard, I feel like you're just swinging at air. My "war path"? That made me lol.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:29 AM

There are versions of occultism (the practice of magick), that are more psychological in nature (A bit like visualising a golf swing before you take it). I guess its a contraversial topic. But I am personally glad to see this topic, as it is something that is rarely talked about in paleo circles. Even if that means alot of speculative beleifs expressed.

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on September 29, 2012
at 01:12 AM

there is definitely a spiritual side whether you admit it of not..eating the way we were MEANT to eat should make you more in touch and paleo clears your mind..maybe for the first time to contemplate these things..embrace it

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:52 AM

Meant is an odd word here. Should probably be "suited to", or "natural for".

47edf681280750c3712a3a56f2eae33b

on September 29, 2012
at 04:31 AM

I have a problem with "MEANT to eat." We were meant to eat with our mouths, that's pretty much evolution, undeniably. However, what we DO eat is culturally determined, regardless of the epoch. Modern Paleo in NO WAY resembles true Paleolithic lifeways, at least as it appears hear as a cultural decision to change the way one appropriates and consumes nutrition. I don't do shit cos I AM MEANT TO. I do shit because it gives me pleasure and the results sustain my material and personal goals. I'm an athlete and I work in beauty. Paleo makes me competitive and good looking. End of argument.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:54 AM

Not really. Your subjective experience isn't mine so saying that the way I eat is "spiritual" whether I like it or not is just lame.

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:31 AM

I meditate regularly and do yoga.

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:43 AM

That's not paleo. ;j

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:12 AM

A rather large percentage of Asatru/Heathens are paleo. http://www.runestone.org/

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at 12:34 AM

Come ON, guys, just because he says the S-word doesn't mean you guys have to think about cults, religion, or anything like that.

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on September 30, 2012
at 07:16 AM

@Jamie Somebody is wrong on the internet!!! Actually Heathen is derived from Old English, that which means not Jewish and Christian. And it is in fact our chosen term for "us," by and large.

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at 03:29 AM

Nobody calls themselves a heathen. Its a judeo-christian word.

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on November 11, 2013
at 03:51 AM

Actually, Jamie 14, lots of people self-identify as Heathens. (Google "Heathenry" for proof.) It's kind of like the term "Pagan"-- even if it was originally used as a derogatory term by Christians for non-Christians, modern-day Pagans have reclaimed it.

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on September 29, 2012
at 04:22 AM

Not the whole point although I do feel close to my highest incarnation of myself when I am looking good and kicking ass. Paleo helps me do. I'm spiritual because I am a spirit but that doesn't change because of what I eat. It could dampen the connection, like a deadening drug, lethargy from being fat and getting my ass kicked, but there are a lot of fat spiritual people and lean atheists, for what its worth.

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on September 29, 2012
at 01:28 AM

There are certainly a lot of intelligent (book smart, not street/forest smart) but spiritually unenlightened people in the Paleo/ancestral community. But all is not lost.

http://paleohacks.com/questions/149968/is-it-unhealthy-to-use-psilocybin-mushrooms-regularly-to-initiate-100-control-ov#axzz27jsaFYMf

I'm tired of veganism and vegetarianism being associated with spirituality. Get with the program, Paleo folks.

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at 01:43 AM

What does street smart have to do with one's "soul"? Intuition is your right-brain, logic is your left-brain. (Very generally speaking) Using both isn't a limiting factor.

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at 09:00 PM

Oh I definitely agree. I think the lightheadeness and physical weakness they experience is mistaken as some sort of divine state of altered consciousness/interaction with the Pleiades.

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at 05:45 AM

I think veganism is associated with spirituality because the confused, light-headed concoction of deficiencies is mistaken for a spiritual state. Not that a spiritual state IMO, is similar. I find it more visceral, hyperreal, clear than detached or wafty.

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:03 AM

No spiritual. This is just for well being.

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at 04:54 AM

I assure you, LikesLardinMayo, you're the only one obsessing here. No one is going off ranting about Hare Krishna. You seem overly reactive to anything related to spirituality. Do you really think that people who see a connection between the body and their feelings are "crazy religious people"?

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:51 AM

Can I just say this is why moderators tend to close these threads Dan W.? Because crazy religious people obsess.

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:33 AM

Is the body's health not connected to our spirit?

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:29 AM

No. Body and feelings makes perfect sense. Nothing in the post I made, that you downvoted and attacked, said anything about feelings. It said I don't believe in spirit, ghosts, souls...something that apparently offended you.

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on November 20, 2012
at 02:42 AM

Hunter gatherers experience many of the states of consciousness experienced by buddhist monks and yogis. It involves a state of global awareness in which one aware of all sensory input from his environment on a continuous basis in order to hunt successfully and avoid becoming a large predator's lunch. Buddhists practice a similar mind state called mindfulness. Our ancestors did a lot more than just eat a lot of meat. The paleo lifestyle involves all aspects of life as a whole, not just diet or exercice.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:00 AM

Meh.

Not my thing. I eat this way to be healthy, happy and active.

I don't buy into the hoodo-voodo-ghosty-ghouly-godly nonsense.

Too each their own though...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:49 AM

Because I find the idea of spirituality to be nonsensical. That's how I feel about it. I noticed you seem to have trouble reading. Perhaps "Too each their own" was outside of your visual field? Why should I pretend to agree with you when I don't? Belief in the supernatural is unsupportable by evidence and I don't believe in things without evidence. Why is that controversial?

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on September 29, 2012
at 03:01 AM

Why must you shoot it down as "spiritual nonsense"?? What did he say that is so objectionable? That he feels that his mind is a little more open now?

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on September 29, 2012
at 12:32 AM

Yes, "opening my eyes" and "expanding viewpoints" is "hoodo voodo"... Come on, things can be "spiritual" without being flaky superstition...

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on September 29, 2012
at 01:38 AM

I don't see it that way, and you are asserting that belief as fact, though I suspect you have no evidence. "Of, relating to, or affecting...the soul as opposed to material or physical things." I don't have any reason to believe in souls, I see no evidence for them. As such diet certainly can't get me "in touch" with something that doesn't exist. If this person meant history, anthropology or education that is great but you quote mining him and ignoring the fact that this referred to the aforementioned spiritual nonsense doesn't change anything.

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:05 AM

I don't question your beliefs at all... and why do you think I'm on a "war path"? All I've done is pointed out how *you* are *attacking* people with different (spiritual) viewpoints. No one has attacked your beliefs... However, *you* have been the one calling names, relentlessly picking on those with any sort of belief in something other than physical reality, not to mention with an extremely condescending attitude, e.g.- "I noticed you seem to have trouble reading." If you're going to debate, you could at least not be nasty. If you really believe "to each their own," then stop *attacking* us.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2012
at 05:25 AM

Dan - This is a crowd-sourcing page. I stated what I personally thought of fairytale belief systems. That's how I work. I didn't suggest you or anyone else needed to think the same way. You commented back first, down-voted me and what did you say? Read the tone of your message. It was snarky. Also, "Come ON, guys, just because he says the S-word doesn't mean you..."? Seriously, stating what I believe, or what another believes isn't an attack. You believe in things you don't have evidence for, good on you, but don't pretend you are being reasonable, all evidence is to the contrary.

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