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Probably a strange question about not eating paelo for one meal

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Created July 15, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Been eating Paleo (sticking with at least the 85/15 rule) for about three weeks now. Loving the results. I started at 249 and this morning I was at 230. Last night we had a non Paleo dinner becauase my kids were begging for Papa Johns and Frozen yogurt. I had three peices of pizza, salad, nectarine, and carrots. It was not surprising to me that the three pieces of pizza were not satiating me. My body was screaming for fruits and veggies in addition to the protine. So I gave it what it wants. Then I had a small bowl of Sweet Frog pistacio yogurt. No ill effects this morning.

I understand that every-body is different and that not everyone reacts the same; however, I had the following question. Of the people who reacted poorly to SAD-foods, how quickly did you feel it and how quickly did your upset systems return to normal?

91f5be33a7ec9f59a5c528af3c75175d

on July 15, 2012
at 07:14 PM

Go hard or go home bro :) have fun

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

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on July 15, 2012
at 07:14 PM

Funny you mention that...heading to the gym when my wife gets home! It is crunches time!

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

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on July 15, 2012
at 07:13 PM

I noticed my stomach was very unsettled in church this morning and I have not had it behave badly in three weeks. I am guessing it was sending me a message.

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

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on July 15, 2012
at 07:11 PM

Thanks for the positive outlook! I am now questioning if I really actually enjoyed the pizza. Hindsite is 20/20 and I do not think I really enjoyed it all that much. Would have much rather prefered a steak and sweet potatoes with roasted carrots. Now the small Frozen Yogurt...I mean of course that was wonderful! But I am also lactose intolerant and even before going paleo I still stayed away from it.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 15, 2012
at 01:08 PM

IMO bringing up self esteem issues, in what sounds like you are implying mine is low, is a defensive measure. Simply state your difference of opinion and reasons and leave it at that. 'nuff said.

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

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on July 15, 2012
at 01:00 PM

Yea, me neither. And let's face it, Pappa John's is not really using the top shelf meats and sauces. It was not as good tasting as I remembered, I count that as a good thing.

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

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on July 15, 2012
at 12:58 PM

Oooh, ow. Thanks for sharing. That is crazy. No issues this morning, although I am little more gassy than normal. Now that you mention it, I did feel sluggish after dinner. I am thinking it was probably the sugar in the pizza sauce and the Frogurt. I am trying to really break down how I am feeling this day since I know exactly what I had yesterday to eat. I am looking at this as a diagnostic data point. I can really qualify the effect it has on the way I feel.

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

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on July 15, 2012
at 12:53 PM

Oh no, don't get me wrong. I wanted a couple of piece of pizza. I did not NEED them. Sorry, but I see major folly in the all or nothing approach. That usually leads to a major breakdown and feelings of self loathing. But what works for you...works for you. May not work for me at all.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 15, 2012
at 12:43 PM

Excuses for me = "I ate the bad for me restaurant meal because it's my favorite. I could have eaten the meal I like almost as much and that has no problems, but I wanted the other" or "I NEED the chocolate now, I'm PMSing." Recognizing excuses gets to be important in staying with a clean diet, even if you are able to make 85/15 work. Self esteem in part involves recognizing your own reasoning and caring enough for yourself to make any changes needed.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 15, 2012
at 12:38 PM

Excuses = "we had a non Paleo dinner becauase my kids were begging."

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 15, 2012
at 12:36 PM

I'm NOT saying beat yourself up. Picking yourself up and getting right back into the diet is the right thing to do. I am saying that off days/meals often lead to more off days. I eat cleanly all the time because I respect my body and myself, and a steak, broccoli and cherries taste better than a SAD meal any day. YMMV

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

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on July 15, 2012
at 12:27 PM

I get your point, but I don't think it nescessarily fits my situation. If there is anything this forum has taught me is that the beauty of a Paleo diet is that one bad meal should be quickly forgotten and then back to Paleo. No need to beat yourself up about it. If there is an issue with slippage, to an 80/20, etc. then that sounds more like a self esteem issue. This mornings breakfast was eggs, some celery, and a plum. No slippage to report! But I do see your point though.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 15, 2012
at 12:09 PM

I wouldn't count pizza as protein. It's mostly a big huge wad of refined carbs. With supplemental poor quality fats, meat and dairy.

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on July 15, 2012
at 12:28 PM

I feel it right away - I have IBS so a meal like that and I'd look 9 months pregnant and be in major discomfort for the next 24 hours.

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

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on July 15, 2012
at 12:58 PM

Oooh, ow. Thanks for sharing. That is crazy. No issues this morning, although I am little more gassy than normal. Now that you mention it, I did feel sluggish after dinner. I am thinking it was probably the sugar in the pizza sauce and the Frogurt. I am trying to really break down how I am feeling this day since I know exactly what I had yesterday to eat. I am looking at this as a diagnostic data point. I can really qualify the effect it has on the way I feel.

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 15, 2012
at 12:03 PM

I don't usually feel poor eating (unless a real binge) acutely the next day as many people do, but I avoid it anyway, because I know that I will feel the results long term in the form of chronic health problems. And see the results in the mirror. SAD foods = so very not worth it.

Not feeling the effects doesn't mean you've managed to avoid them. Higher blood sugars don't necessarily make you feel obviously bad, but they do serious damage to your whole body while you think you've dodged the bullet. I sometimes think the people who experience quick acute reactions are lucky because they get immediate feed back.

I think a big problem with eating a single SAD meal is that it often leads to more. After all, if the yogurt didn't give problems, why not have some next week, or a few days from now with the kids, or tomorrow night? Those kinds of foods lead to cravings for more of the same. Soon you're right back on 60/40, 50/50, 20/80, 100% SAD.

IMO there's no such thing as 85/15 paleo for many of us. If you (me too) have a lot of weight to lose there are ingrained eating habits that need to be changed. We need to recognize real hunger versus cravings, we need to avoid emotional eating, entertainment eating, boredom eating etc. Excuses lead to more excuses.

PS. You don't need to do what the kids want. You're the adult. Even if you choose to get them pizza, you don't need to eat it yourself.

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

(664)

on July 15, 2012
at 12:53 PM

Oh no, don't get me wrong. I wanted a couple of piece of pizza. I did not NEED them. Sorry, but I see major folly in the all or nothing approach. That usually leads to a major breakdown and feelings of self loathing. But what works for you...works for you. May not work for me at all.

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

(664)

on July 15, 2012
at 12:27 PM

I get your point, but I don't think it nescessarily fits my situation. If there is anything this forum has taught me is that the beauty of a Paleo diet is that one bad meal should be quickly forgotten and then back to Paleo. No need to beat yourself up about it. If there is an issue with slippage, to an 80/20, etc. then that sounds more like a self esteem issue. This mornings breakfast was eggs, some celery, and a plum. No slippage to report! But I do see your point though.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 15, 2012
at 12:38 PM

Excuses = "we had a non Paleo dinner becauase my kids were begging."

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 15, 2012
at 12:36 PM

I'm NOT saying beat yourself up. Picking yourself up and getting right back into the diet is the right thing to do. I am saying that off days/meals often lead to more off days. I eat cleanly all the time because I respect my body and myself, and a steak, broccoli and cherries taste better than a SAD meal any day. YMMV

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 15, 2012
at 01:08 PM

IMO bringing up self esteem issues, in what sounds like you are implying mine is low, is a defensive measure. Simply state your difference of opinion and reasons and leave it at that. 'nuff said.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 15, 2012
at 12:43 PM

Excuses for me = "I ate the bad for me restaurant meal because it's my favorite. I could have eaten the meal I like almost as much and that has no problems, but I wanted the other" or "I NEED the chocolate now, I'm PMSing." Recognizing excuses gets to be important in staying with a clean diet, even if you are able to make 85/15 work. Self esteem in part involves recognizing your own reasoning and caring enough for yourself to make any changes needed.

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8d0159cec3d62b31d9acce9243915ab9

on July 15, 2012
at 02:58 PM

I've been Paleo for about 5 months. About 85/15 most of the time. It's a lot harder to stick to that when I'm traveling for work, though, so I have weeks here and there when I'm more like 65/35 (though I'm learning how to improve that). I've noticed that the longer I've been doing Paleo the less immediate are my reactions to crappy food, but they DO happen. So you may not be feeling adverse reactions to the pizza yet, but if you're like me you'll have an energy crash or brain fogginess or refined-carb-cravings a couple of days later. Oh, and joint inflammation and congestion. Ah, the joys of SAD.

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

(664)

on July 15, 2012
at 07:13 PM

I noticed my stomach was very unsettled in church this morning and I have not had it behave badly in three weeks. I am guessing it was sending me a message.

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A8fe4c52d6f3c6b2e14c805f4046c1ef

on July 15, 2012
at 02:36 PM

I am pretty much 99% paleo, and I have very low body fat. Very very rarely I'll eat raw oats (because this used to be a staple of my diet and I love them and have tested cutting them out and a re-introduction to no ill effects) and dairy since I'm trying to gain weight (a little whole milk every so often if I do a big lift). If I want to reward myself with a meal, I do it, no questions asked. I used to do this almost as an obligatory thing, because what happens is you just stop wanting it. But I have not noticed ill effects from the meal. If anything, I have better body image after the meal b/c in my mind I'd had had all these ill effects, but in realty nothing happens and it's back to normal. Of course we're talking vanity here, but unless you have a 10,000 calorie fast food grab bag, it's highly unlikely one meal a month will have detritus health effects. You're making incredible progress. Keep it up and don't sweat it if you slip or reward yourself: you've earned it, and just know that eventually you'll very likely stop having even the urge to do so.

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

(664)

on July 15, 2012
at 07:11 PM

Thanks for the positive outlook! I am now questioning if I really actually enjoyed the pizza. Hindsite is 20/20 and I do not think I really enjoyed it all that much. Would have much rather prefered a steak and sweet potatoes with roasted carrots. Now the small Frozen Yogurt...I mean of course that was wonderful! But I am also lactose intolerant and even before going paleo I still stayed away from it.

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91f5be33a7ec9f59a5c528af3c75175d

on July 15, 2012
at 05:13 PM

I say no problem work harder in the gym the next day, life goes on and if it didn't taste that good you won't crave it. I'm giving myself one cheat meal a week and I can tell most you here now I'm sure it will consist of something non paleo, this is what makes me stay strict all week so I can have a reward. All work no play makes jack a boring boy! Good luck

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

(664)

on July 15, 2012
at 07:14 PM

Funny you mention that...heading to the gym when my wife gets home! It is crunches time!

91f5be33a7ec9f59a5c528af3c75175d

on July 15, 2012
at 07:14 PM

Go hard or go home bro :) have fun

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