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Paleo in Germany

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created June 22, 2011 at 4:57 PM

I'm going to be moving to Germany for a year this fall, and I want to get there already knowing what to eat. I'll be in Potsdam, so local advice would be nice. I'm also on a rather small stipend, so I'm going to have to eat on the cheap. I've already been browsing urgeschmack.de, but I find that it really hasn't addressed my questions, although maybe I just don't know how to search for the right information in German. Also, links to sites in German are fine, I can read it rather well.

So, my questions are:

  • What brands of dairy are pastured? Where can I buy them? (Is there one at Aldi?)
  • Eggs: Is Freilandhaltung good? I've bought those in the past, since their yolks looked better than the 'Bio' ones.
  • What kind of meats should I buy there? Specifics about the Turkey (Pute) and Pork? I think the beef will be too expensive to eat on a regular basis.
  • Would there be a way that I could get organ meats regularly?
  • Any general tips for eating Paleo in Germany?

E12ead3bf63c94b5b619b03722ef554f

on April 19, 2012
at 03:03 PM

I find it very hard to find good meat sources. Free-range eggs are easy to find, fortunately. I recently ordered meat from Highland cows online from a German farm, but was VERY disappointed by the quality of the meat (it was basically 2/3 meat - 1/3 trim...)...

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on April 19, 2012
at 01:47 PM

I would like to know that as well. Sadly I haven't found anything yet.

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(1022)

on April 18, 2012
at 07:14 AM

yes, in the "Reformhäuser" or "Bioläden" (healthstore, like whole foods I guess)

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on September 09, 2011
at 03:03 AM

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Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

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on September 08, 2011
at 10:55 PM

Care to share a Link?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 30, 2011
at 06:06 PM

some places in germany are nature paradises with grass fed and all wishes..other places are industriell mistakes in this crazy world...

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on June 25, 2011
at 09:14 PM

Ups - I don't know. Ask Florian - he is a Crosssfit Level 1 Trainer and experienced weightlifter. I am sure he can help you. http://www.crossfitwerk.de/coaches/

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

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on June 25, 2011
at 12:41 AM

I'm thinking I might be eating a lot of wild boar, since I don't think I'll be able to buy beef in quantities that would make it feasible, primarily because I'm don't know what kind of fridge/freezer I'll have. I'll definitely head into the Urgeschmack-Forum soon, I didn't know there was one.

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

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on June 25, 2011
at 12:36 AM

Nice, thanks for all this information, I'll be reading through it in the next couple days. I'll actually be spending some time in Golm, in a 'guest house' for two months, before I'm going to go an find a WG or something in Potsdam for the rest of my stay, and the main thing I don't know about is the kind of fridge/freezer space I'll have. Also, since you mentioned some crossfit boxes, are there any bare-bones weight lifting places? All I'm really looking for is a place where I can squat, deadlift, and press some stuff. Or should I just go to a crossfit box?

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 24, 2011
at 07:03 AM

Thanks for the butter O3 PDF. I'm fairly certain that Kerrygold O3 ratio goes up during the spring summer months because at least in Germany during these months they make a point to advertise it's grass fed on the package: "aus guter Weidemilch". Different brands of milk advertise this as well during these time periods. Look for "Weidemilch".

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

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on June 23, 2011
at 04:01 PM

Thanks for the fats breakdown. Too bad Aldi's butter didn't do too well.

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

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on June 23, 2011
at 03:58 PM

Now that I'm reading more into wild boar, I'm really looking forward to eating it. Thanks for the suggestion.

35a8b223ae5d863f17a8c9e3a8eed5eb

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on June 23, 2011
at 07:17 AM

farmer's market or some Mezgereien

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on June 22, 2011
at 11:05 PM

Here's where Felix buys a quarter cow: http://www.urgeschmack.de/urgeschmack-tv-ep-34-ein-viertel-rind-1/ Maybe just email the guy or ask in his forum if anyone wants to go in on a big purchase with you. Seems like buying in bulk is the way to save money on ruminants there just like it is here. (I say "seems" because the extent of my knowledge on this is not that great.)

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

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on June 22, 2011
at 10:29 PM

Where would I get wild boar, do I just visit a local Metzgerei?

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on June 22, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Kerrygold you can find in any cheap supermarket (paradoxically not in Aldi afaik)

Berchtesgardener Land is pastured dairy (maybe not 100 % year around but the best dairy products you can find in lots of organic Shops)

Freilandhaltung is not pastured, but at least chickens are outside. You either limit you egg consumption (if this is an important issue for you) or you buy demeter eggs in an organic shop.

I won't buy too much poultry or pork since the grassfed culture is quite unknown here in Germany. Even the official EU Bio stuff is quite ridiculous if one looks at its requirements.

Pastured pork (100 %) you can buy online (good stuf : ) http://www.genusshandwerker.de/fleisch/schwein/buntes-bentheimer/

But since you don't want to spend lots of money I'd advice to buy Wild Boar. They're quite a pest in the forests around Potsdam and Berlin, therefore it's the cheapest and best quality meat you'll find. I eat it this stuff on a regular basis. It's my favorite meat anyway.

And yes you can buy organ meats.

35a8b223ae5d863f17a8c9e3a8eed5eb

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on June 23, 2011
at 07:17 AM

farmer's market or some Mezgereien

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

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on June 22, 2011
at 10:29 PM

Where would I get wild boar, do I just visit a local Metzgerei?

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on June 23, 2011
at 03:58 PM

Now that I'm reading more into wild boar, I'm really looking forward to eating it. Thanks for the suggestion.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 30, 2011
at 06:06 PM

some places in germany are nature paradises with grass fed and all wishes..other places are industriell mistakes in this crazy world...

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03db20f160e58814827ae5a05a5c8792

on June 24, 2011
at 01:35 PM

Hi Bristlebeard,

Paleo in Potsdam? On a budget? Not the easiest thing to do. Potsdam is a gentrification area. Middle class people with good to very good income. Living on a budget in Berlin is easier. Potsdam has the discounter shops like aldi, Schlecker and Lidl but that crap food is not Paleo. You can buy some organic goods there but the rest is crap. And they treat their personal like CAFOs treat their animals. That???s another reason why I don???t buy there.

http://www.gesundheitlicheaufklaerung.de/aldi-der-systematische-irrsinn

I prefer dm-drugstores. They have more organic stuff (soap, washing powder nuts, chocolate, tea etc.)

My Paleo recommendations for Potsdam and Berlin:

Buy meat only grass fed/pastured (farmers market and Neuland butchers). Organic meat is too expensive if you are on a budget and often grain fed . But there eare small farmers and local farmers markets in Berlin & Brandenburg. A good chioice for Paleo on a budget is Neuland. Hormone free, antibiotic free, often pastured.

http://www.neuland-fleisch.de/landwirte/allgemeine-richtlinien.html

http://www.neuland-fleisch.de/verbraucher/warum-ist-neuland-so-besonders.html

Ground beef, chicken breast, beef goulasch, liverwurst is cheap.

http://www.neuland-fleisch.de/

Call the Neuland butchers in your area and ask if there meat is grass feed. Beef very often is. Pork and chicken is not.

http://www.neuland-fleisch.de/verbraucher/einkaufen.html

You can get organ meats but you have to order it in advance. Usually they only have beef liver in the regular range of goods. And organ meats are dirt cheap because nobody wants them. Sometimes you find rabbit liver or chicken liver at Karstadt.

Wildschwein (boar) in Brandenburg & Berlin

If you live in the outer areas of Berlin or Potsdam you will have regular visits from your four-legged friends in your Garden. Like here in Berlin-Zehlendorf. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCV17n1pZH8&feature=related

So you can catch a pig from the streets or you can buy one in a shop.;-)

Wildschwein kaufen:

In Potsdam:

Stadtj??ger Herbert L??bke liefert frisches Wildschwein

http://www.camping-potsdam.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=72&Itemid=82&lang=de

Wildschweinb??ckerei near Potsdam in Ferch:

http://www.wildschweinbaeckerei.homepage.t-online.de/41949.html

Boar meat in Berlin You can buy it from the forestry commission office

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/forsten/waldprodukte/de/wildfleisch.shtml

Boar, game and pastured beef in Berlin

http://www.wildfleisch-berlin.de/

Farmer???s markets and good meat in Berlin & Brandenburg:

http://www.gut-kerkow.de/Bauernmarkt.html

More Paleo ressources in Germany :

The First Paleo Restaurant in Berlin: Sauvage. Maybe the first in Germany - I am not sure.

http://www.crossfitwerk.de/berlin/2011/06/sauvage-liebe-und-paleo-in-berlin/

Hunter Gatherer blog

http://hu-ga.de/

Urgeschmack blog:

http://www.urgeschmack.de/

My favourite German Health & Fitness Mailforum. Discussions about Paleo Diet and Evolutionary Fitness, crossfit, kettlebell training, clubbell training, weightlifting in general, gymnastics, Parkour, joint mobility, yoga , injuries and health problems, yada yada yada....In short: Good stuff!

http://www.fighterfitnessforum.com/

Paleosophie Blog Blogger Constantin Gonzalez

http://paleosophie.de/

A new German Blog: German Cave Girl

http://germancavegirl.blogspot.com/

Paleo-Low Carb-High-Fat-Autoimmune-Issues and more: Kikilulas blogs

http://kikilula.wordpress.com/

http://kikilula.blogspot.com/

Crossfit Boxes in Berlin.

http://www.crossfitwerk.de/

http://crossfit-berlinfb.de/

Personal Trainer Leo L??hr:

http://www.myleo.de/konzept

03db20f160e58814827ae5a05a5c8792

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on June 25, 2011
at 09:14 PM

Ups - I don't know. Ask Florian - he is a Crosssfit Level 1 Trainer and experienced weightlifter. I am sure he can help you. http://www.crossfitwerk.de/coaches/

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

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on June 25, 2011
at 12:36 AM

Nice, thanks for all this information, I'll be reading through it in the next couple days. I'll actually be spending some time in Golm, in a 'guest house' for two months, before I'm going to go an find a WG or something in Potsdam for the rest of my stay, and the main thing I don't know about is the kind of fridge/freezer space I'll have. Also, since you mentioned some crossfit boxes, are there any bare-bones weight lifting places? All I'm really looking for is a place where I can squat, deadlift, and press some stuff. Or should I just go to a crossfit box?

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 18, 2011
at 06:51 PM

Around Berlin there is a lot plants to gather. Look at Mundraub website you can find fruit trees to gather for free. Also Obstbaumnutzgemeinschaft. This are two young gemrnas having a collective fruittreesharing around berlin. For meat im out of clue. Look at the farmer markets. Probably its hard to find. There is a Russian shop at S-Bahnhof Charlottenstrasse in Belrin they have some stuff between which you can take. Frozen berries cranberies and blueberries. And also fish from russia and baltic.

For fish. I suggest look at the supermarkets in the freezer. They have sometimes good fish there. look for aquaculture and avoid to take it. If you take fish take only Wild Caught fish. The MSC label. Marine Stweard Council is showing that it is fished sustainable.

The Canned food in Germany is probably often containing BPA layers. Also they use cheap table salt. In organic markets you find better canned fish.

Like Felix sayed slow food is quiete good adress to look.

Grass Fed Butter. In organic Markets there is a lot butters ??MA and Berchtesgardener Land, and Demeter butter, and Schwarzwaldmilch,

Also there is some organic Butter from Danmark. Also there is french shops you get rawmilkbutter and rawmilkcheese there.

Farmer markets. Then thier is the Markthalle in Kreuzberg. There are two of them, the one with quality is in Bergmannstrasse Kiez.

Then you have Alnatura. This is a organic company with good thinking try to keep good quality and low prices and fair way. They have meat from packlhof you can look at alnatura website and see how the animals a rised.

Rostock is very close or other citiy a long the eastsea so you can go to the fisher cities and get fresh fish. Also there is fishing around berlin. Fishing is need a license in Berlin.

Wild Meat in Germ,any is generally only half wild. ITs fed by the hunter so they can hunt more meat. The hunter culture in Germany is a bit unbalnced and sick. So now there are also ecological hunters who think more in balance of the system. So the hunters feed the wild game to rise nummbers and shoot for fun. Just you know wild meat is semiwild. Also some wildmeat is hold in kinda farms. So you can buy organic certified wild farmed deer.

Wild boar and wild deer organically farmed. If you wanna have good nuts and good Raw Foods stuff. Then contact people of the WAMOS health center in Belrin Neuk??ln. Also there is a nice small market in Neuk??ln there is a fihersalesman. A good organic market is the one at Lausitzer Platz and the one at Chamissoplatz, and the markets at Kollwitz platz. Some good stuff you find also in the Turkishmarket at Maybach ufer.

There are a lot farmers around Berlin. SOme has sheep and also slaughter it by it self.

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on June 22, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Here's an independent analysis showing the fat breakdown of commercial butters available in German supermarkets. I think that this is a more reliable marker of good quality, grass-fed dairy than marketing claims, as the higher the O3 content, the more the cow's diet has been grass/forage based.

It's in German, but I assume that won't be a problem for you. :)

http://www.greenpeace.de/fileadmin/gpd/user_upload/themen/landwirtschaft/greenpeace_butter_omega3.pdf

Here's another one for brands of yoghurt available:

http://www.greenpeace.de/fileadmin/gpd/user_upload/themen/landwirtschaft/greenpeace_joghurt_omega3.pdf

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on June 23, 2011
at 04:01 PM

Thanks for the fats breakdown. Too bad Aldi's butter didn't do too well.

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on June 24, 2011
at 07:03 AM

Thanks for the butter O3 PDF. I'm fairly certain that Kerrygold O3 ratio goes up during the spring summer months because at least in Germany during these months they make a point to advertise it's grass fed on the package: "aus guter Weidemilch". Different brands of milk advertise this as well during these time periods. Look for "Weidemilch".

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on June 24, 2011
at 06:51 AM

Paul already mentioned the most important things. Wild boar is amazing.

Some general hints: - The EU-Bio/*EG ??ko* Labels are pretty much worthless. Naturland and Bioland are better, Demeter is the king of organic labels but still you might find someone who produces remarkable quality without these labels. - The best food is hard to find and won't be available in supermarkets. Contact your local Slow Food chapter to get in contact with local producers - Beef: You can usually get top-quality beef in packages of 20kg or even 10kg from local producers (farmer's markets) for ~ 7.50-9EUR/kg. A quarter (~70kg) is available for as low as 4.50???/kg. But in that region, wild boar might be even cheaper (and better). - If you have any further questions, feel free to ask in the Urgeschmack-Forum. If I remember correctly, there are some people from Berlin there.

(And you will find Kerrygold butter in LIDL and most other supermarkets)

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

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on June 25, 2011
at 12:41 AM

I'm thinking I might be eating a lot of wild boar, since I don't think I'll be able to buy beef in quantities that would make it feasible, primarily because I'm don't know what kind of fridge/freezer I'll have. I'll definitely head into the Urgeschmack-Forum soon, I didn't know there was one.

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on June 23, 2011
at 04:00 AM

What a coincidence! I'll be spending next year studying in Germany as well; I'll be in Berlin. I had all the same questions. Thanks for the tips everyone! I can't wait to try wild boar!

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on October 11, 2012
at 11:57 AM

When around the berlin-area - potsdam [a city close to berlin with good transit connections] is way too expensive for reasonable folks - organic ground beef, for instance - is 13,50€ per kilo (oct/2012). And that is a member-price at a cooperative chain of stores. It could easily be as high as 15,00€/kilo for full retail. That price is probably similar for potsdam, although it could be more like 16 or 17€/kilo.

As an alternative, and much more locally-accessible, usually only a short walk, is a 'foreign' market with a Halal butcher. There are less of these for the potsdam area although they exist. There, ground beef, specifically from young bull, for 4,49€/kilo. Eaten raw with a little mustard and fresh cilantro, it is very good. Between both plain, the organic raw, and halal, they are the same.

It makes a difference that the generations of 'foreigners' here remember what real bull is supposed to taste like, and look like; at most a generation removed from living out. The more of isolated generations who have been city-bred, the less they seem to know about what food should look and taste like. North americans are generally an extreme example: with a little discernment, most european food seems far more edible than anything on north america.

The young men at the local halal butcher are very enthusiastic and good with customer service, and generally this is the case at the halal butchers and 'foreign' markets. Whereas generally ethnic-germans are not, and have no idea what customer service even is; and people working at places like Aldi are wage-slaves besides. A regular butcher, a fleischerei, can have decent service: but then the price goes up, to ~12€/ kilo for neuland.

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E12ead3bf63c94b5b619b03722ef554f

on April 19, 2012
at 10:20 AM

Do any of you know good sources of pastured meat in the Munich - München area? =) Does any one know if regular beef and pork meat from Germany usually contain hormones/antibiotics?

D061ae1ab11248b415e3e8062cd79038

on April 19, 2012
at 01:47 PM

I would like to know that as well. Sadly I haven't found anything yet.

E12ead3bf63c94b5b619b03722ef554f

on April 19, 2012
at 03:03 PM

I find it very hard to find good meat sources. Free-range eggs are easy to find, fortunately. I recently ordered meat from Highland cows online from a German farm, but was VERY disappointed by the quality of the meat (it was basically 2/3 meat - 1/3 trim...)...

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on April 19, 2012
at 10:02 AM

Hey guys,

look around in Germany. The crossfit community is growing slowly. Crossfit becomes a new trend in germany. One of my favoirts sites with detailed informations. http://www.my-crossfit.de

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on April 17, 2012
at 08:55 PM

do they sell almond milk in Germany?

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on April 18, 2012
at 07:14 AM

yes, in the "Reformhäuser" or "Bioläden" (healthstore, like whole foods I guess)

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on September 08, 2011
at 08:49 PM

Paleo in Germany on facebook!

Good news. A German Paleo Girl from Mark Sisson's Primal Forum recently started a facebook group: "Primal/Paleo in Germany. 78 menmbers and growing. :-) Finally....sigh.... There you can ask questions about everything Paleo (in German or English).

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on September 08, 2011
at 10:55 PM

Care to share a Link?

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on June 29, 2011
at 08:15 AM

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