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Paleo cholesterol reduction

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created September 06, 2010 at 10:46 AM

First a qualification: I'm not actually of the opinion that cholesterol is bad or that arbitrarily reducing it is good. Regardless my diabetic grandmother (who gets most of her calories from bread, vegetable oil spread and sugar) recently expressed an interest in reducing her cholesterol (on her doctors orders^ and since her crestor is causing lots of side effects), so I wanted to take the opportunity to at least get her to make some positive changes in the name of cholesterol reduction.

A lot of people typically bandy around the claim that things like vitamin D, omega 3 and niacin reduce cholesterol, so I was hoping to collate the scientific evidence to suggest this and to see what other paleo compounds are shown to reduce cholesterol.

Btw, I of course recognise that a far preferable course of action would be to stop living on bread and sugar and stop taking the super-strength statin and ideally to attend to her high triglycerides than her cholesterol, unfortunately the possibility of not eating bread with every meal is not on the cards, but if I can show her and my grandfather some straightforward "scientific proof" that omega-3 reduces cholesterol by 10% or whatever, I might be able to convince her to take a fish oil capsule.

^ She's already switched from 'hard' cheddar to 'soft' brie on this basis and started taking a plant phenol + sugar, yoghurt drink.

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on September 23, 2010
at 07:08 AM

Thanks, that's a great post. Ironically, I actually think that they'll be more convinced by something that targets the arbitrary measure that their doctor has said they need to lower (and which every-one knows causes heart disease)!

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on September 23, 2010
at 06:59 AM

Thanks for the input Chuck. I quite agree and while I'd rather switch my family member's diets to proper paleo, there's definitely no possibility of that. Even my own choice not to have potatoes with a roast dinner, is viewed with absolute incomprehension. As you say, 70 years of habit is difficult to overturn. That's why I'm looking for paleo insight into what things can be simply corrected that would both lower cholesterol and have actual health benefits. Whereas if I just say (a la TV ad) "Fish oil will reduce cholesterol 10% says science" they might be more convinced.

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on September 08, 2010
at 02:57 AM

I apologize if I upset anyone. Rereading my reply I see I could have put it better. Still Paleo isn't about "compounds", it's mealy eating what out genome evolved on and everything will take care of itself. I still thing he's looking for a magic pill instead of explaining to her how self-destructive her eating habits and statin use is. I hope he has success helping her.

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on September 06, 2010
at 07:24 PM

CT, I was going to say the exact same thing but in more words. =)

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on September 06, 2010
at 05:19 PM

Yeh, those are definitely the major factors. I think better micronutrition and especially better fatty acid profile can definitely make a biologically significant difference though, I just hope they can make a clinically significant difference. I'll post my collected studies on the issue in a bit...

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on September 06, 2010
at 03:46 PM

I wonder if the question to ask is: Baring big pharma solutions, can one significantly reduce the bad fraction of small LDL (the really bad cholesterol) *without* removing grain, grain derivatives and simple sugars from the diet?

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on September 06, 2010
at 01:22 PM

oops- benicar is used to treat high blood pressure, not chlolesterol. she's still on atenolol for high blood pressure, but it is cheaper with fewer side-effects for her.

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on September 06, 2010
at 12:14 PM

I thought the questioner made it pretty clear that he didn't like his grandmother's diet but is trying to persuade her to change? And I get the impression that David clearly does grasp what the Paleo lifestyle is...

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on September 21, 2010
at 04:11 PM

David-

This is one of my favorite posts on Stephan Guyenet's Whole Health Source. He discusses how increasing omega-3 fatty acids while lowering Omega-6 causes a sharp decline in cardiovascular disease. But he also links to this study, showing omega-3 intake associated with a reduction in ALL causes of mortality... even homicide (omega-3 <--> depression?). If that doesn't convince someone to get more omega-3s, then I don't know what will.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on September 23, 2010
at 07:08 AM

Thanks, that's a great post. Ironically, I actually think that they'll be more convinced by something that targets the arbitrary measure that their doctor has said they need to lower (and which every-one knows causes heart disease)!

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on September 20, 2010
at 02:47 PM

I applaud your intentions. I just wonder if they will fall on deaf ears. I have found in the last 3 years that the older the person the less likely they are to listen to anyone but a doctor. Even when a doctor tells them to change what they eat, they are unlikely to do that.

I have all but given up trying to persuade older family members and friends to reconsider conventional wisdom. They are too set in there ways and it is not worth the tension it creates. If you can achieve your goal without pissing people off, then good for you.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on September 23, 2010
at 06:59 AM

Thanks for the input Chuck. I quite agree and while I'd rather switch my family member's diets to proper paleo, there's definitely no possibility of that. Even my own choice not to have potatoes with a roast dinner, is viewed with absolute incomprehension. As you say, 70 years of habit is difficult to overturn. That's why I'm looking for paleo insight into what things can be simply corrected that would both lower cholesterol and have actual health benefits. Whereas if I just say (a la TV ad) "Fish oil will reduce cholesterol 10% says science" they might be more convinced.

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5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

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on September 06, 2010
at 11:56 AM

You're really up against it. I don't think you fully grasp what the Paleo lifestyle is. Firstly she needs to do more than just "express an interest", she has to STOP eating CRAP! Rather than mucking around with omega 3,VitD and switching cheeses try telling her just how bloody DANGEROUS statins are for her. And the fact that they don't work for females either. New data clearly demonstrates that the risks for any person over the age of 70 far outweigh the benefits ??? even for patients with heart disease. See these sites:

http://public-healthcare-issues.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_dangers_of_statin_drug_use http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Extreme-Dangers-of-Statins&id=1678397 http://www.wellnessresources.com/freedom/articles/researchers_document_the_dangers_of_statins/

There's lots more info. In other words, ditch the bread, sugar and oil rubbish.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

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on September 06, 2010
at 07:24 PM

CT, I was going to say the exact same thing but in more words. =)

1c4ada15ca0635582c77dbd9b1317dbf

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on September 06, 2010
at 12:14 PM

I thought the questioner made it pretty clear that he didn't like his grandmother's diet but is trying to persuade her to change? And I get the impression that David clearly does grasp what the Paleo lifestyle is...

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

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on September 08, 2010
at 02:57 AM

I apologize if I upset anyone. Rereading my reply I see I could have put it better. Still Paleo isn't about "compounds", it's mealy eating what out genome evolved on and everything will take care of itself. I still thing he's looking for a magic pill instead of explaining to her how self-destructive her eating habits and statin use is. I hope he has success helping her.

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on September 06, 2010
at 01:31 PM

Thanks for the articles Alan

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 06, 2010
at 01:18 PM

my mom won't change her crappy eating habits. since she has terminal bone cancer and only about a year to live, i've given up trying to change her and gladly take her to burger king where she eats a whopper, fries, and two cups of coke. i did try to change her a year ago, but it was a losing battle and i was starting to get mean.

so anyway, i'm writing this to tell you that my mom stopped all statins a while ago because of awful muscle pain side effects. she stopped benicar in december 2009- i think that is a drug that blocks the absorption of fat, but i need to double check. the cancer doctor said not to worry about the benicar since she wanted to stop it, as the meds were very expensive and she was in the 'donut hole' where she had to pay for everything out of pocket. so she went to the cardiologist about 2 weeks ago and he said, based on symptoms, she is fine. ie, she has no ankle swelling, no chest pain, no being out of breath. she is also diabetic and takes blood pressure meds.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 06, 2010
at 01:22 PM

oops- benicar is used to treat high blood pressure, not chlolesterol. she's still on atenolol for high blood pressure, but it is cheaper with fewer side-effects for her.

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