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Paleo and Pets: made changes?

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Created December 03, 2012 at 5:25 AM

Has anyone changed their cat or dog food since going paleo? Are there any specific brands or ingredients you avoid? just wondering....

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on March 07, 2013
at 09:53 AM

This made me laugh so hard. Thank goodness for the less ferocious evolution into housecats.

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on December 22, 2012
at 06:52 PM

Agreed on the raw bones. Good point.

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on December 20, 2012
at 07:58 AM

Do not give them cooked meat/bones/... RAW is their way to go.

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on December 06, 2012
at 03:47 PM

Agreed, it makes a huge difference! Once you see the results, you definitely will never go back :)

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on December 04, 2012
at 04:13 AM

wow! Thanks for all the input! I give beef bones (after cooking thrm for broth) to our doggie who goes all primal (literally haha) when she gets one. As is, actually defending her bone from our curious cats and digging a hole and bury it. smh I tried giving her raw beef and cooked chicken but she gets the runs from it :-( Same with the cats. Quite frustrating! I know some butcher shops that sell cheap organ meat, should I try those instead? What meats do you cook/boil first? Two of our 3 cats are hunters but they mostly bring the prey home semi-alive and barely nibbled on. sigh

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on December 03, 2012
at 06:14 PM

Also, my cats won't eat cheaper items like kidneys, heart, liver or pet burger of any sort, they will only eat the whole rodent, sometimes baby quail.

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on December 03, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Yes but unfortunately straight feeder mice/rats costs in excess of $250-300 per month, unless there is a good sale, and I don't expect to start keeping a colony of rodents in my apartment. I think doing the best you can is better than nothing at all.

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on December 03, 2012
at 04:36 PM

BTW, cats should never be fed kibble (dry diets) as they are true carnivores. Cat owners can find a wealth of information from Marnie, a long term raw feeder/cat lover, here: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawpaws/

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on December 03, 2012
at 04:31 PM

Ditto - I've been a Prey Model feeder for 10 years and will NEVER feed any dog I own kibble, ever again. No stinky poops, stinky breath, or tacky dull coat - Raw Rocks!

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on December 03, 2012
at 06:53 AM

Maybe it was very rich? That is very curious.

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on December 03, 2012
at 03:40 PM

I made drastic changes to my dog's diet once I became paleo and starting researching canine nutrition.

You're dog or cat should not be eating any form of kibble. I know it's hard for most people to accept (because we've been taught and told by our vets that this is what is best for our animals) but it's simply not true.

Look at doctors today, they offer quick fixes and medication to solve problems but do not look at the root of diseases and ailments today. Because they aren't taught to, they are there to fix your health problems. The underlying cause of health problems is most always diet related. The same goes for vet's today. They are simply uneducated in your pet's nutrition. They do not receive extensive nutrition education. Also, the pet food industry is a multi billion dollar industry. The pet food industry writes their textbooks and also sponsors a lot of veterinarians offices and provides products for them to offer.

Now back on topic. Certainly there are better versions of kibble that are grain free, free of by products and other preservatives. But if you want to adopt a paleo/primal plan for your dog you have to take a look at kibble. Kibble is processed food, even the better kibble. Real food has not been altered or changed and is perishable. Now look at the ingredients in your kibble. Now look at what the finished product is, look how long it lasts. That is processed food! No animal whether a pet or a human should be consuming processed food. And most of the dogs in the US today all have similar health problems and diseases of civilization just as humans do. Do you think wolves in the wild or dogs hundreds of years ago before the invention of kibble had diabetes, allergies, cancers, etc? Unfortunately, the answer is no.

Now, I understand the high costs of feeding your dog real food. And if you cannot afford to, obviously you will do what you can. But kibble is like eating McDonald's every day. Eventually you will be paying for it the later years of your dogs life in vet bills.

Raw meat and bones are what your cats and dogs should be eating. They are carnivores. They don't have the same physiology that humans have. And unfortunately even the best of kibble (grain free, preservative free, etc) has large amounts of vegetables & fruits in them which is essentially fillers and keeps the costs down. Carnivores don't eat vegetable and fruit matter. Their digestive systems cannot process it. Carnivores have short highly acidic digestive tracts meant for breaking down meat and bone. They do not have the long complicated digestive tracts of herbivores where they are meant to break down and ferment vegetation. In addition, dogs and cats cannot break down cellulose or the cell wall of plant matter so they don't readily absorb the nutrients. Vegetables will not kill your pets by any stretch of the imagination but it's not the appropriate food for them based on their anatomy and physiology. Dogs and cats can survive on it, but not thrive which is why they have so many health issues today.

Cats and dogs should eat mostly muscle meats, some edible bone (which provides calcium). They should also eat some organ meat such as liver and kidney. The best way to tell if your dog is digesting her food properly and getting what she needs is to look at her stools. If your pet goes often, has very smelly and soft stools, they are not digesting what they are eating. Their stools should not smell and should be small and more firm. On a proper raw diet, your pets will have clean teeth and better breath. They will have a better coat. They will drink less water because they are getting the moisture they need from their diet, they will eliminate less often and stools will be significantly smaller, harder, and near odorless.

I encourage you to look into prey model raw diets. This is the closest to paleo. On a side note, when I say paleo, I don't mean dogs eat the same things as in the real paleo diet that we follow. I mean paleo in the sense of looking at the animal. Looking historically at what it's ancestors ate (the wolf) and coming up with an appropriate species/ancestral diet.

If you do not wish to do prey model then try barf or prepackaged raw. The only concern with those diets are they are still full of things dogs do not need such as higher amounts of fruits and vegetables. But hey, at least that is real food and is a hell of a lot better than kibble.

There are many great websites out there. I know of another website coming soon that is supposed to be all about raising dogs with a primal lifestyle in mind. It's called Primal Pooch. I follow them on twitter - @PrimalPooch

But I encourage you to do some research. I switched and cannot believe the changes I am seeing and would never go back. Hope this helped!

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on December 03, 2012
at 04:31 PM

Ditto - I've been a Prey Model feeder for 10 years and will NEVER feed any dog I own kibble, ever again. No stinky poops, stinky breath, or tacky dull coat - Raw Rocks!

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on December 06, 2012
at 03:47 PM

Agreed, it makes a huge difference! Once you see the results, you definitely will never go back :)

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on December 20, 2012
at 06:29 AM

Paleo dogs used to eat what was left over from the humans, Paleo cats would eat the left over humans...

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on March 07, 2013
at 09:53 AM

This made me laugh so hard. Thank goodness for the less ferocious evolution into housecats.

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on December 03, 2012
at 09:24 PM

I am happy this question came up. Actually was my cat who first turn paleo and after seeing his improvement went me. My lovely cat developped diabetes, apparently because of years of eating dry food. We always give him the "best" dry food the vet sell us, thinking it was great for him, but it was shit. Dry food is low and cheap protein. All grains. Cats are strict carnivores and we all know what happens if you force your digestive system eating what you are not born to. He went so so sick he left himself to die, he didn??t wanted to be with no one, he was not himself. After "investigating" myself, I found very useful info here: http://www.catinfo.org/ and I turn him paleo, making this recipes. In a week or less, he was another cat. After seeing that and after realising I have been poisonating him for years, I started "investigating" on my own nutrition and diseases, and this is how I also became paleo (I was vegetarian). I believe he saved my life.

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on December 03, 2012
at 06:57 AM

Abso-figgin-lutely. I have two female cats, mother and daughter. For years I fed them the equivalent of Purina Chow" or whatever the dried factory cat food brand is in your area.

About two years ago I began feeding them raw kidneys (mostly) and liver. In my area there are lots of slaughterhouses and offal is fairly cheap. About 1,50 euros/kg. Their health is brilliant. 8 and 10 years old, they have no noticeable age slowdown.

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on March 07, 2013
at 06:31 PM

Living in the San Francisco area, it's amazing to walk into a small pet store and see advertisements for Paleo/Primal dog food plastered everywhere. There are usually large freezers full of raw pet food. You also see pro-biotic ads for pets.

I would not be surprised if it is a very typical for people to feed their pets Paleo but not themselves.

It's a shame you can't walk into a grocery store and see big PRIMAL LIVING posters to remind you of what to eat.

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on December 03, 2012
at 06:26 AM

I got two kittens after going paleo and the bulk of their diet was warmed up feeder mice and baby rats, which they devoured with zeal (especially the one we started at 12 weeks old vs 20 weeks), and typically just ate the one meal per day, but we had some Primal brand kibble available for nibbling on later, but early into my pregnancy the smell of the mice was so nauseating that I asked other members of my household to take on the role, which they didn't do regularly enough so eventually the raw feedings became less frequent, and when I was feeling better, the little one lost all interest in them, and the bigger one just ate their heads. I am going to try to add them back in, probably do half and half for cost saving measures, and even though it is kind of gross, they are really cute when they tackle them. I think limiting their access to kibble will make them more interested. But, they are predators so I think it will come back.

I also think they pooped less frequently, and they also drank less water since the bodies of the rodents had more water. For anyone considering the same thing, the mice smell way stronger than the rats, but if they are bigger, hair coated ones, they can hold more smell either way, and your kitties might want to play soccer with them once they get full, so then you have to check under kitchen appliances to catch what they're up to! So hairless mice or baby rats worked best:) No soccer playing with the ones that don't have soft downy hair that slides on the floor better than any of their toys.

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on December 03, 2012
at 04:36 PM

BTW, cats should never be fed kibble (dry diets) as they are true carnivores. Cat owners can find a wealth of information from Marnie, a long term raw feeder/cat lover, here: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawpaws/

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on December 03, 2012
at 06:14 PM

Also, my cats won't eat cheaper items like kidneys, heart, liver or pet burger of any sort, they will only eat the whole rodent, sometimes baby quail.

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

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on December 03, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Yes but unfortunately straight feeder mice/rats costs in excess of $250-300 per month, unless there is a good sale, and I don't expect to start keeping a colony of rodents in my apartment. I think doing the best you can is better than nothing at all.

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on March 07, 2013
at 05:21 PM

Just to be contrary (and honestly I don't know what the right answer is but I'm just providing another school of thought) what separates dogs from wolves evolution-wise is that dogs evolved to be able to eat grains and potatoes. Dogs have evolved to be omnivores while wolves remain carnivores.

Whether this is the Perfect Health diet for your dog, the article really doesn't answer.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-01-23/national/36499716_1_raymond-coppinger-dog-evolution-dogs-and-humans

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on March 07, 2013
at 06:26 AM

I just bought my long lost book again Real Food for Dogs and Cats by Dr Clare Middle. It has the right easy way to feed your pet paleo, and why. This book actually introduced me to the idea of paleo for people before I knew what it was, from the introduction and the reasoning that seems to be missing from mainstream nutrition. It's really handy too. I'm switching my new kitten over the next couple of weeks :)

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on December 20, 2012
at 05:30 AM

Hello! could someone here help me? I have a couple of questions.... I really want to change my cats diet off of Soy/corn/wheat/grain/vegetable infested foods.... he is 11 years old and obese.... unfortunatly he has also become very picky and will NOT eat any food at all hardly. except the whiskers(?) cat treats and he will eat the juice from the canned food but he will not eat the food itself. however he eats almost three cans of food "juice" a day. I am almost 100% sure he is refusing to eat the food itself because he instictivly knows he is not getting nutrition from it (due to all the wheat and soy) I want to start him on an organic cat food, but I don't really have any ideas where to start.... honestly, it has been hard enough finding organic/edible paleo foods for myself, but I Love my little buddy and I want him to be able to lose weight and be healthy again. he has been obese since he was about 5 years old, and it just isn't going to cut it with me anymore.... most of this is my grandfathers fault (he gives him bags of cat treats, and my kitty has figured out if we try not to feed him he can meow incessantly for hours on an end until someone breaks) I really mainly think he is trying to eat the gravy because it has more fat in it, can someone tell me how to make my own organic gravy? would I just boil some fat and then cut up some organ meats and cook them in it? any help would be much appreciated! Thanks! (PPS I know WHERE to get organic foods and organ meats from, I just don't know how to make them attractive to a very finicky feline, who is actually quite a sweetheat, he just.... REALLY likes his food >.<)

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on December 03, 2012
at 09:42 PM

I had been implementing Paleo into my foods, and while wondering about pet foods, I hadn't done any research. Last year, my female cat (13 years old) was loosing weight, but would eat everything in sight (getting up on the counters every time I left the kitchen). She was diagnosed with feline hyperthyroidism and was given medicine. I immediately did the research and looked for grain-free foods. I found a brand that offers moist and dry (EVO brand). My cats (I have a female and a male...now 14 years old) get moist food twice a day and a small bowl of dry food is in their room at night. Last week I took my female in for a check-up. She gained almost a pound (!) and the doctor was very pleased with the results of her blood work. He didn't expect to see such goods results just because I changed her food!

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on December 03, 2012
at 12:29 PM

I have always given my dog grain free food; however, I've began implementing some raw food into his diet. For instance, my local pet shop sells raw bones with meat and marrow still attached. My dog loves them! Plus, they really help clean his teeth, freshen his breath, and provide him with nutrients. Once he is done cleaning the good stuff off the bone, he will continue to chew and play with it.

I was always self-aware when feeding my dog, but now that I am adapting myself to a Paleo lifestyle, I am even more self-aware. For instance, instead of feeding him store bought treats, I now give him raw mini carrots as a treat. I have stopped giving him anything with peanut butter now that I am aware of the dangers.

Soon I will also be giving him one raw meat meal a day. My local pet store sells some. I can't really afford to give him both a raw meal in the morning and evening, but I am going to start in the evening.

In the morning I am going to stick with Blue Buffalo Wilderness (Salmon), and in the evening provide him with a raw meat meal.

There are some great articles online that you should check out regarding raw meals for you pets. Plus, when you think about it, dogs are simply house broken/trained wolves at heart.

Here is one for starters: link text

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on December 03, 2012
at 06:51 AM

No. Our dogs have always had grain free food and meat, and the cat just likes regular cat food. Although, I feel for the dog, who has to watch me clean all the bones before I give them to him. :(

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on December 03, 2012
at 06:47 AM

I remember a cat we had in my grandparent's family. They fed it kitchen scraps, but occasionally they had some wild fish from the local pond for him to eat.

Let me tell you - the cat went bonkers over that wild fish. My grandparents use to put a big tub with a little water with fish on the ground - the cat would spend the whole entire day catching fish and devouring it on the spot.

The cat also had a diarrhea the next day. I could never understand why.

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on December 03, 2012
at 06:53 AM

Maybe it was very rich? That is very curious.

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