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Organic Food No Healthier Than Conventional Food?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 03, 2012 at 10:46 PM

What are your thoughts on this article and their methodology? Reasons for/against organic food. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/organic-food-no-healthier-non-organic-study-210536314.html

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on September 06, 2012
at 01:18 PM

Again, it's minimal compared to the car exhaust and mosquito larvae killer that my area is routinely sprayed with.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on September 04, 2012
at 12:54 PM

As I said, Anondson, fucking with the food chain affects humans.

44739854bd06eb5c32af5d33aa866864

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on September 04, 2012
at 12:27 PM

Unless the "cooties" are in the fruits/veggies, not all pesticides stay only on the skin... you can't wash that off

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

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on September 04, 2012
at 02:13 AM

Yes, really. http://scienceheroes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=309&Itemid=263. And “Not even one peer-reviewed, independently replicated study linking exposure to DDT with any adverse health outcomes exists.” - Amir Attaran, 2000 British Medical Journal essay. Since this thread was about human health, seemed relevant.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on September 04, 2012
at 01:55 AM

Really, Anondson? http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/pest/ddtup.html http://www.worldofmolecules.com/pesticides/ddt.htm It may not be a direct danger to humans, but fucking with the food chain is pretty dangerous.

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

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on September 04, 2012
at 01:15 AM

What about DDT? There has never been shown a harmful effect upon **human** health. In fact scientists would each spoonfuls of the stuff to prove it so. That, and there are known harmful effects from mycotoxins in the food supply and no known organic method to counter them satisfactorily.

A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on September 04, 2012
at 01:11 AM

Until I have the financial security to start my own garden on the moon, I'll have to take my chances with the lesser of two evils. In the meantime, I am forced to trust the kindly farmers at my market that they aren't dousing my produce in organic napalm.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on September 04, 2012
at 01:04 AM

There are such things as organic pesticides. Some not necessarily better or worse than synthetic pesticides.

F0a9dea438e7943fa05da318773e785e

on September 03, 2012
at 11:21 PM

have to agree with this. look at how we only learned of the impact of DDT years later. Pesticides and other chemicals are bad news. So I'll stick organic tyvm.

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A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on September 03, 2012
at 11:06 PM

Meh, I am more concerned with what isn't in my produce than what is in it. Same amount of nutrients - pesticides = win.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on September 04, 2012
at 12:54 PM

As I said, Anondson, fucking with the food chain affects humans.

A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on September 04, 2012
at 01:11 AM

Until I have the financial security to start my own garden on the moon, I'll have to take my chances with the lesser of two evils. In the meantime, I am forced to trust the kindly farmers at my market that they aren't dousing my produce in organic napalm.

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

(4029)

on September 04, 2012
at 02:13 AM

Yes, really. http://scienceheroes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=309&Itemid=263. And “Not even one peer-reviewed, independently replicated study linking exposure to DDT with any adverse health outcomes exists.” - Amir Attaran, 2000 British Medical Journal essay. Since this thread was about human health, seemed relevant.

F0a9dea438e7943fa05da318773e785e

on September 03, 2012
at 11:21 PM

have to agree with this. look at how we only learned of the impact of DDT years later. Pesticides and other chemicals are bad news. So I'll stick organic tyvm.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 04, 2012
at 01:04 AM

There are such things as organic pesticides. Some not necessarily better or worse than synthetic pesticides.

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

(4029)

on September 04, 2012
at 01:15 AM

What about DDT? There has never been shown a harmful effect upon **human** health. In fact scientists would each spoonfuls of the stuff to prove it so. That, and there are known harmful effects from mycotoxins in the food supply and no known organic method to counter them satisfactorily.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on September 04, 2012
at 01:55 AM

Really, Anondson? http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/pest/ddtup.html http://www.worldofmolecules.com/pesticides/ddt.htm It may not be a direct danger to humans, but fucking with the food chain is pretty dangerous.

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D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

(4029)

on September 03, 2012
at 10:57 PM

Unsurprising.

That said, it seems to say the vitamin and nutrient content is no different. It seemed to say that organic grown produce was less likely to have pesticides, and organic meat was less likely to have antibiotic resistant bacteria. So, duh. I see this as obvious in all ways.

Didn't seem to even look at the difference between grass fed, pasture raised, free range, etc. vs conventional confined operations. I think this would have been worth including in a comprehensive study.

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4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on September 04, 2012
at 01:12 AM

Nobody claims organic produce have more vitamins. And, why should they? Vitamins are used by plants in cellular metabolism, just how they are used in animals. But, both organic and conventional plants, well, metabolize... So, they should have about the same amount of vitamins.

On the other hand, organic produce are under heavier assault from pests so they would be expected to have more natural pesticides, like polyphenols. Many people think polyphenols are healhy, at least as eaten in fruits and vegetables. But, this study doesn't seem to have tested polyphenol content, which would be the obviousl thing to test since it is what you would expect to be different.

Of course, (conventional) pesticide and fertilizer residue is also a key point of difference and another reason why organic produce is better.

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05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

on September 16, 2012
at 07:14 AM

What we should and should not by organic I like this article, it may not be "healthier" but at least you're not ingesting the pesticides

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3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

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on September 16, 2012
at 03:30 AM

Very good analysis of this study by "Ask Dr. Dawn"--http://www.askdrdawn.com/askdrdawn.php (Part 2 of Interview with Dr. Mark Houston at about the 32 minute mark.

She points out that the study question was whether organic food was more NUTRITIOUS, not whether it was safer (fewer pesticides and hormones), more sustainable, etc.

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1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on September 04, 2012
at 01:29 AM

What we drink and put on our skin, breathe in the air, how much sun damage we get and how much alcohol we drink has a worse affect on our health than occasional pesticide residue. Washing your veggies and fruits with a vinegar or lemon-juice based cleanser is the best way to remove the toxic cooties.

44739854bd06eb5c32af5d33aa866864

(859)

on September 04, 2012
at 12:27 PM

Unless the "cooties" are in the fruits/veggies, not all pesticides stay only on the skin... you can't wash that off

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on September 06, 2012
at 01:18 PM

Again, it's minimal compared to the car exhaust and mosquito larvae killer that my area is routinely sprayed with.

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45ace03a0eff1219943d746cfb1c4197

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on September 04, 2012
at 12:50 AM

Many of the important questions were not asked. What's missing, as in toxic substances is a big issue. Other concerns are micro-nutrients they may not even know to look for that are present in natural growing conditions.

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7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

(2030)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:57 AM

I know this is late but I came across this today.

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