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I'm stopping IF. Can eating more speed up metabolism?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 02, 2012 at 4:20 PM

With IF fasting I simply can not eat enough to function well during the day. I hypothesis about it more on my blog. http://primallykosher.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/intermittnt-fasting-problem/

However will this cause problems in the long run?

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 03, 2012
at 02:33 PM

Is eating massive amounts of food that healthy though? Isn't that going to age me faster and cause more wear and tear?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on February 03, 2012
at 11:00 AM

I wonder if there's a huge difference in stomach acid/gut flora between Ratiocinative and primallykosher, and this is the core issue of this discussion.

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on February 02, 2012
at 07:45 PM

Ratiocinative, you are giving unhelpful advice based on your own apparently huge appetite.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

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on February 02, 2012
at 07:36 PM

Well the big ones are the specifics of the food you're eating, the sleep you're getting, and the activities you're doing. There are other hormonal influencers of course which may disrupt things but fundamentally if you get the rest right you should be ok.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 02, 2012
at 07:31 PM

What fundamental problems?

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on February 02, 2012
at 07:22 PM

Again, your 'refusal to believe' is largely irrelevant. If you don't feel you can sympathise, empathise, understand or even believe in the personal experiences of someone else, you're probably not going to be helpful. So why say anything?

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on February 02, 2012
at 07:21 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resting_energy_expenditure

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 02, 2012
at 07:19 PM

I simply can't eat that much in that amount of time. I get stomach cramping, very sleepy and my body thinks I have to poo when I don't.

324bf94d3d6f9322d6e4dba4becfaab1

on February 02, 2012
at 07:05 PM

I can eat enough for 2 days, ~4500 calories, in 20 minutes, then don't eat again for 48 hours. I refuse to believe that someone can't eat 2500 calories in 8 hours. That's like 1.5 lb of ground beef, just an appetizer.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on February 02, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Did you mean temperature when you said thermal coefficient?

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 02, 2012
at 06:36 PM

What is REE? And why is it important for metabolism?

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on February 02, 2012
at 06:23 PM

Essentially, yes. We don't know for sure, but there's plenty of people (and protocols) that go for fewer, longer fasts. The 16/8 daily window is more geared towards maintaining a consistent level of performance with regular intense exercise - I don't really consider it fasting or intermittent. If you've decided you do better eating throughout the day, then yes you will be able to get significant benefits with one complete day of fasting every week, two weeks, or even just every month.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on February 02, 2012
at 06:19 PM

It's not that unusual for people to struggle with this. In fact some people struggle to eat well enough with a 24 hour window. Dismissing their concerns is about as helpful as force-feeding them.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 02, 2012
at 06:06 PM

So this would still give the same benefits that IF is supposed to do? I was doing the IF 2 meals a day for like 5 months after 1 pm.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on February 02, 2012
at 05:19 PM

Hmm, maybe play around with carbs as one they will increase energy and two make you hungry.

324bf94d3d6f9322d6e4dba4becfaab1

on February 02, 2012
at 04:57 PM

Is this a troll thread? How can you possibly not be able to enough calories in an 8 hour window? Are you running a marathon every day and need 10,000 calories or something?

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 02, 2012
at 04:54 PM

Yeah at a meal I have rather long satiey after eating correctly. I'm not trying to bulk per say rather lose but my energy takes a huge hit with only eating twice. I guess I could also ramp up my activity a lot more to eat more.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 02, 2012
at 04:38 PM

I now only eat about 3 times a day full meals. As opposed to 2 full meals and occasionally snacks.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on February 02, 2012
at 06:29 PM

The fastest way to increase your metabolism while maintaining excellent function is to change the thermal coefficient of the environment you live and work out in. It has the greatest effect on REE. Sadly most people who calculate REE do not even know it. I use REE and this in my own regime and it is unbelievably effective for diabetes reversals.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 02, 2012
at 06:36 PM

What is REE? And why is it important for metabolism?

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on February 02, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Did you mean temperature when you said thermal coefficient?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on February 02, 2012
at 07:21 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resting_energy_expenditure

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Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

on February 02, 2012
at 04:33 PM

The current research/understanding is that eating more only speeds up the metabolism to the extent necessary to handle the extra food - there's no 'additional burn'. However you may find it an easier model to work with which may bring benefits. I would view it as treating the symptoms rather than the problem itself, and that it may not be the absolute best thing to do, but eating frequently may be better than what you're currently doing. The risk is that it allows you to ignore some other more fundamental problem with your lifestyle.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 02, 2012
at 07:31 PM

What fundamental problems?

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on February 02, 2012
at 07:36 PM

Well the big ones are the specifics of the food you're eating, the sleep you're getting, and the activities you're doing. There are other hormonal influencers of course which may disrupt things but fundamentally if you get the rest right you should be ok.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on February 03, 2012
at 11:06 AM

I wonder if your inability to eat massive amounts of food has something to do with gut flora and/or stomach acid levels.

Perhaps you might try supplementing with a bunch of either digestive enzymes (i.e. Now Super Enzymes) or betaine HCL before meals and seeing if your digestion speeds up.

For these you'd want to first figure out how many you need by taking them before you eat, say one pill at a time, spaced out by a minute or two until you feel heat with your hand above your stomach (or feel heartburn), upto a total of 5 pills.

Failing that, if the issue isn't in the stomach, the usual gut flora improvements via sour kraut, kefir and other probiotics as well as bone broths, etc.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 03, 2012
at 02:33 PM

Is eating massive amounts of food that healthy though? Isn't that going to age me faster and cause more wear and tear?

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on February 02, 2012
at 07:11 PM

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Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on February 02, 2012
at 04:43 PM

When you say you cannot eat enough, is it mostly related to the colon issue you mentioned? I suppose you may have to look at higher calorie choices. Or is it just that you a 'full' and so cannot eat more?

I only eat two meals a day, lunch and dinner (post work-out) and I generally hit my calorie target.

Another Leangains FAQ which may provide some further ideas and links: http://examine.com/leangains-faq/

"Can I Bulk with the LG Approach or is Strictly to Lose Fat?
LG is not about just losing fat. It is about recomposition. So yes you can bulk - just eat above your maintenance. LG will help you lose BF, and it will let you get to low BF% levels, but the overall focus is on recomposition. Martin has said that LG is essentially a self-contained cut/bulk - 16 hours of cut, 8 hours of bulk."

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on February 02, 2012
at 05:19 PM

Hmm, maybe play around with carbs as one they will increase energy and two make you hungry.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 02, 2012
at 04:54 PM

Yeah at a meal I have rather long satiey after eating correctly. I'm not trying to bulk per say rather lose but my energy takes a huge hit with only eating twice. I guess I could also ramp up my activity a lot more to eat more.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on February 02, 2012
at 04:36 PM

I don't see why it would cause problems. IMO it's important to do what's most natural for you.

I always preferred large meals and was frustrated and dysfunctional on frequent meals. Okay, that means IF is a great choice for me. It doesn't mean IF has to be the best option for you.

Let's face it, there's a wide range of "normal" on everything related to humans. You need to feel free to discover where you best fit into that range and act accordingly.

P.S. In fact, as I think about it if IF is a great weight-loss solution for me who says eating frequently can't be an enhanced-nutrition mechanism for you? Just make sure you always emphasize denser foods rather than volume (again, the opposite of what I do to lose.)

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 02, 2012
at 04:38 PM

I now only eat about 3 times a day full meals. As opposed to 2 full meals and occasionally snacks.

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on February 02, 2012
at 04:32 PM

IF once a month for 23 hours is a good idea. This is two meals. Maybe on a weekend or sometime where perfromance is not as critical.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on February 02, 2012
at 06:06 PM

So this would still give the same benefits that IF is supposed to do? I was doing the IF 2 meals a day for like 5 months after 1 pm.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on February 02, 2012
at 06:23 PM

Essentially, yes. We don't know for sure, but there's plenty of people (and protocols) that go for fewer, longer fasts. The 16/8 daily window is more geared towards maintaining a consistent level of performance with regular intense exercise - I don't really consider it fasting or intermittent. If you've decided you do better eating throughout the day, then yes you will be able to get significant benefits with one complete day of fasting every week, two weeks, or even just every month.

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7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 02, 2012
at 04:43 PM

I IF and I find I'm naturally hungrier 2 or 3 days out of the week. I listen to my body and eat a lot more during those days. It doesn't seem to affect my weight loss faster or slower but I do take coconut oil before meals to keep my cravings at bay on re-feeding days.

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