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I am never hungry but dont need to lose weight!

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 31, 2013 at 7:25 PM

I'm a 17 year old girl who's been eating paleo for some moths now. about two years ago I struggled with a short burst of anorexia because I was bloated all the time. I fully recovered from it about a year ago and have a normal weight. I work out 4 times a week and have some low-frequency activity a couple of times a week. My goals now are to get stronger and leaner. I gained a lot of fat around my belly during recovery that I'm struggeling with. The other downside was that I killed my hunger signals.

Because of some intolerances I have no safe starches to eat, so I have to compensate with a lot of fat to get enough. I know my hunger works because I was super-hungry when I had dierreah while traveling some weeks ago, before I had to switch to more low-carb. My problem is that I'm never hungry! I'm just afraid that I'll get too few calories. The food I eat is calorie dense; a lot of eggs, fatty fish, nuts and other similar foods. But because I'm not hungry I usually end up eating about three times a day while still feeling really full... I just want to listen to my body and eat when I'm hungry, but then I'd probably end up eating only once or twice a day. I'm not overweight at all. What should I do?

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on April 02, 2013
at 01:32 PM

Im not limiting my fruits and veggies. It's just a limit to how much I manage to stuff in before I get too full. The thing is that I'm not required to maintain ketosis. I just don't have any safe starches to choose from now. Just some fruits and berries and a few veggies. This is not forever, just a few months. Upping the ft is no problem if 100 grams of fat a day is not too much?

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on April 02, 2013
at 01:26 PM

I'm just worried about getting too much fructose. Body composition, you know.

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on April 02, 2013
at 01:25 PM

I'm just worried about getting too much fructose.

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on April 02, 2013
at 01:23 AM

Is it carbs or fermentable(bloating) carbs? I had/have the same issue with starches and high fiber foods. When I was in ketosis, for about a year, I also was rarely hungry. Can you eat carbs that aren't bloat causing? For example I can tons and tons of honey and pulp free orange juice but I can't digest sweet potato very well. My hunger also returned after introducing more sugars to my diet. Why don't you try some juice or honey, especially if you small like I am. I weigh 120 and still do after eating 2 pounds of honey a week for a couple months.

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on April 01, 2013
at 02:01 PM

Please, everyone. I DO NOT have an ED. It's more than a year since i fully recovered. I love food :)I am eating to heal my gut, so thats not my problem, I have taken an intoelerance test and I am currently working on it. I'm eating a lot more than my BMR. The bloating was the reason I got an ED in the first place... I appreciate your help, but now I regret that I even mentioned that I had an ED once. I do have a small frame. But again, my question is related to the hunger problem and if it might be related to any gut problems and/or the fact that I HAVE TO eat low carb for some months now.

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on April 01, 2013
at 01:55 AM

I used to be 163cm and 48kg and I was very slim, not an extra once of fat anywhere, i am a medium build though so I suppose if you have a petite frame this might be why you are noticing extra fat below/around the belly button. But also remember to have a bit of fat below/around your belly button is very normal and mostly all women have this fat, even extremely thin women. If I were you and was not feeling hungry at any meals I would increase my intake of carbohydrate as I find you can generally eat more carbs without feeling so full (as opposed to fat and protein).

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on April 01, 2013
at 12:32 AM

I agree with @Janknitz. You may have some sort of GI issue - I have read (should find source...) that this is common in anorexics/recovering anorexics. It can contribute to bloating. Maybe look into getting tested for infection or SIBO. It might take time for healing.

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on March 31, 2013
at 11:32 PM

I agree that tracking calories in your case may be necessary to make sure you're getting at least the minimum number of calories to support your BMR--knowing the danger in doing so for someone who has an eating disorder. Once you establish your menus and eating routines, you may not have to track so carefully, just check in every few weeks to make sure caloric intake is still adequate. If you're still having bloating and GI symptoms with carbohydrates, perhaps more gut healing needs to take place. Are you taking/eating probiotics???

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on March 31, 2013
at 10:29 PM

Oh... Seems I've given the wrong signals here. I'm not doing cardio. I do strenght training 4 times a week. My main concern is not being able to listen to my body and eat when hungry in fear of not getting enough calories. I'm 160 cm and weigh 48 kg. When I say a lot of fat on my belly I mean a lot more than before I was sick, when I ate junk all day ;) It's just frustrating to look out of proportion when I look slim everywhere but my belly, which has a lot of fat just around my bellybutton. The rest of my body is just normal and I love it. I'm 100% sure that my workouts do not supress hunger.

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on March 31, 2013
at 07:38 PM

You should eat a diet higher in carbs. Try some fruit.

I don't know if you exercise in the morning or in the afternoon, but to use exercise as a way to get hungrier, you might want to exercise earlier in the day.

To read more about hunger suppression I highly recommend this article to you: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/bodyweight-regulation-wrap-up-other-hormones.html

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on April 02, 2013
at 01:15 AM

Also, I'm not positive how this works... but I think you can keep yourself out of ketosis with enough protein. I know that spiking protein level can disrupt ketosis, I'm just not sure how that would ride out long term.

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on April 02, 2013
at 12:01 AM

Alright, so normally ketosis would be a bad idea for your situation and goals. You are saying that you do not have a choice, you are required to maintain ketosis. If I'm misunderstanding that, please clarify.

In my experience, ketosis will most certainly inhibit sensations of hunger. That's part of it.

Now, if you're concerned about excessive (or, rather, any) autophagy... I have to think that boosting your fat intake is your only option. Spoonfuls of Extra Virgin Coconut Oil. Just pop one or two here and there throughout the day.

It can get to be an expensive habit... I suggest you check out Vitacost.com 54oz for just over $20. It's as high quality as any I've tried.

Also, you may want to look into some high-mineral salt to add into your diet for adrenal balance. Celtic Grey, Himalayan Pink are two of my favorites.

Other than that, pay attention to your micronutrients. Limiting fruits and vegetables could very likely limit your vitamin and mineral exposure. It might not be ideal, but you might find certain supplements a good idea.

7904435ceb31e9a5e8005f6b7778f903

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on April 02, 2013
at 01:32 PM

Im not limiting my fruits and veggies. It's just a limit to how much I manage to stuff in before I get too full. The thing is that I'm not required to maintain ketosis. I just don't have any safe starches to choose from now. Just some fruits and berries and a few veggies. This is not forever, just a few months. Upping the ft is no problem if 100 grams of fat a day is not too much?

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7904435ceb31e9a5e8005f6b7778f903

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on April 01, 2013
at 11:36 PM

Please, everyone. I DO NOT have an ED. It's more than a year since i fully recovered. I love food :)I am eating to heal my gut, so thats not my problem, I have taken an intoelerance test and I am currently working on it. I'm eating a lot more than my BMR. The bloating was the reason I got an ED in the first place... I appreciate your help, but now I regret that I even mentioned that I had an ED once. I do have a small frame. But again, my question is related to the hunger problem and if it might be related to any gut problems and/or the fact that I HAVE TO eat low carb for some months now.

So please, do not talk about the ED. It's a thing of the past. Focus on my question. Is it dangerous for a Normal weight, slim girl who doesn't have to loose weight to enter some kind of form of mild ketosis as long as I don't loose any weight and get enough calories?

7904435ceb31e9a5e8005f6b7778f903

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on April 02, 2013
at 01:26 PM

I'm just worried about getting too much fructose. Body composition, you know.

7904435ceb31e9a5e8005f6b7778f903

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on April 02, 2013
at 01:25 PM

I'm just worried about getting too much fructose.

33266cca338ab54cee9a2aa160f5bdb6

(502)

on April 02, 2013
at 01:23 AM

Is it carbs or fermentable(bloating) carbs? I had/have the same issue with starches and high fiber foods. When I was in ketosis, for about a year, I also was rarely hungry. Can you eat carbs that aren't bloat causing? For example I can tons and tons of honey and pulp free orange juice but I can't digest sweet potato very well. My hunger also returned after introducing more sugars to my diet. Why don't you try some juice or honey, especially if you small like I am. I weigh 120 and still do after eating 2 pounds of honey a week for a couple months.

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on March 31, 2013
at 09:09 PM

Linn-

I always ask for data....

Height, weight, waist.... these few measurements give a decent indication of fitness & body fat.

I'm 6', ~195 w/ 36" waist....by no means super fit or obese.

check out this calculator

http://home.fuse.net/clymer/bmi/

Note that it calcs both BMI and waist to height ratio.

I think waist to height is a better metric. BMI penalizes well muscled people & makes no estimate of body fat.... it nearly always tagged me as overweight or near obese.

It also estimates a basal caloric need.

take a look at this one too

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/nutrient_calculator.htm

Like I said.... I'm into data, your comment "I gained a lot of fat around my belly during recovery" is kind of subjective.

Your idea of "a lot" & my idea of "a lot" could be quite different. :)

As long as your waist is 50% (more like 46% to 49%) or less than your height... you're probably in pretty decent shape. Of course these numbers and calcs are estimates but give a good indication.

To get stronger & leaner you need to do resistance work NOT heavy cardio. I cannot remember the number of times I recommended this to young people (mostly guys) who wanted to lean out & gain muscle....stop the running, eat well, lift. Unfortunately (or fortunately?) women are at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to building muscle.... not a lot of testosterone.

But the same applies....take it easy on the cardio, eat well, resistance exercises. Don't worry you won't build bulging muscles, I guarantee it. Too much exercise can make fat loss more difficult.

Since you're not hungry and not gaining or losing weight but kinda forcing yourself to eat, I would suggest carefully tracking your food intake. Yeah, it's a PITA but I think you need to know how many calories you're consuming and try to estimate calories burned.

As long as you're not gaining inches around your middle, this "forced" eating isn't making you fat. You appear to have some sort of disconnect between your caloric needs and your hunger? Sometimes workouts can suppress hunger >>> "too tired to eat"?

Need more details... what are your 4x per week workouts like?

cheers Bob

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on March 31, 2013
at 11:32 PM

I agree that tracking calories in your case may be necessary to make sure you're getting at least the minimum number of calories to support your BMR--knowing the danger in doing so for someone who has an eating disorder. Once you establish your menus and eating routines, you may not have to track so carefully, just check in every few weeks to make sure caloric intake is still adequate. If you're still having bloating and GI symptoms with carbohydrates, perhaps more gut healing needs to take place. Are you taking/eating probiotics???

7904435ceb31e9a5e8005f6b7778f903

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on March 31, 2013
at 10:29 PM

Oh... Seems I've given the wrong signals here. I'm not doing cardio. I do strenght training 4 times a week. My main concern is not being able to listen to my body and eat when hungry in fear of not getting enough calories. I'm 160 cm and weigh 48 kg. When I say a lot of fat on my belly I mean a lot more than before I was sick, when I ate junk all day ;) It's just frustrating to look out of proportion when I look slim everywhere but my belly, which has a lot of fat just around my bellybutton. The rest of my body is just normal and I love it. I'm 100% sure that my workouts do not supress hunger.

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

(1652)

on April 01, 2013
at 12:32 AM

I agree with @Janknitz. You may have some sort of GI issue - I have read (should find source...) that this is common in anorexics/recovering anorexics. It can contribute to bloating. Maybe look into getting tested for infection or SIBO. It might take time for healing.

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

(638)

on April 01, 2013
at 01:55 AM

I used to be 163cm and 48kg and I was very slim, not an extra once of fat anywhere, i am a medium build though so I suppose if you have a petite frame this might be why you are noticing extra fat below/around the belly button. But also remember to have a bit of fat below/around your belly button is very normal and mostly all women have this fat, even extremely thin women. If I were you and was not feeling hungry at any meals I would increase my intake of carbohydrate as I find you can generally eat more carbs without feeling so full (as opposed to fat and protein).

7904435ceb31e9a5e8005f6b7778f903

(0)

on April 01, 2013
at 02:01 PM

Please, everyone. I DO NOT have an ED. It's more than a year since i fully recovered. I love food :)I am eating to heal my gut, so thats not my problem, I have taken an intoelerance test and I am currently working on it. I'm eating a lot more than my BMR. The bloating was the reason I got an ED in the first place... I appreciate your help, but now I regret that I even mentioned that I had an ED once. I do have a small frame. But again, my question is related to the hunger problem and if it might be related to any gut problems and/or the fact that I HAVE TO eat low carb for some months now.

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