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how important is your quality?

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Created November 25, 2011 at 2:27 AM

ive been thinking...i thhhhhink(keyword) some of my ongoing problems with paleo revolve around my not eating good meat. i eat joeblow meat from the grocery store, conventional chicken/beef/seafood... it is illegal to sell grassfed in MS. i got marrow bones from us wellness but barely have freezer room for them and used 2 right away to make room. if i order the essentails(bones/organs/butter) from us wellness, would i maybe be better off staying away from the grocery store proteins? my next question obviously...what do i eat? i am use to chicken and beef being fornt & center pretty much every meal. i dont have anything against veg/fruit but they are grocery store bought too...the farmers market only has carrots and kale, craptons of nuts & beans, no eggs as theyre outa season, and massive amounts of sweet potatoes(not a fan) and breads/jams/jellies...just thinking/wondering if anyone else deals with this(but i am pretty sure mississippi sucks the most so unlikely lol)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on November 27, 2011
at 03:00 PM

Food quality is critical. It controls our epigenetics and how we can manipulate gene expression. It is not talked about enough in this community.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on November 26, 2011
at 03:48 AM

@Dragonfly, agreed. Even then hormone and antibiotics are used within mandates that minimize exposure to residues. I'm also opposed to withholding antibiotics from animals that may fall sick to keep "organic" status, it's inhumane to do so.

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on November 25, 2011
at 04:58 PM

@Matt- The biggest issue with CAFO meat (especially for Mal) is the hormones & antibiotics--NOT the O3/O6 ratios.

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on November 25, 2011
at 04:53 PM

@Mallory, you really don't detail what differences you can detect between grass-fed organic and CAFO meats. I wonder what you think the differences are. I also wonder how much of it is in your head (placebo/nocebo effects are quite real and powerful!)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on November 25, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Mitch has it exactly right. Beef is not high in PUFAs, so a wacky ratio has little effect on the overall ratio in one's whole diet. See also: http://grassbasedhealth.blogspot.com/2011/10/is-grass-fed-beef-really-rich-in-omega.html

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on November 25, 2011
at 03:11 PM

@kewpie The total pufa content of beef is low enough that it probably doesn't affect your ratio unless it is the only pufa source. Some nuts, chicken, or salmon makes your beef quality irrelevant (to your omega 6/3 ratio)

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

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on November 25, 2011
at 10:27 AM

I just noticed I got my ratios backwards in my earlier comment. The 3/6 ratio should be grassfed beef--1:2 and grainfed beef--1:20.

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on November 25, 2011
at 08:51 AM

Sorry, let me rephrase: I don't think selling grassfed meat is illegal anywhere in the U.S. Selling raw dairy is illegal in some places, but I can't find anything similar about selling meat. There seem to be at least a few farms selling it in Mississippi and they don't appear to be hiding it. Can you provide a link to the state statute or even just some information about it?

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on November 25, 2011
at 08:50 AM

Sorry, let me rephrase: I don't think selling grassfed meat is illegal anywhere in the U.S. Selling raw dairy is illegal in some places, but I can't find anything about prohibitions on selling meat. There seem to be at least a few farms selling it in Mississippi and they don't appear to be hiding it. Can you provide a link to the state statute or even just some information about it?

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on November 25, 2011
at 08:44 AM

@Mitch I wasn't advocating eating nuts instead (or at all). The issue here is 6/3 ratio. Grassfed beef has a lot more omega 3 which is very important for keeping your 6/3 ratio in balance.

551ff00cfc1fa7e7c8b347f615a4a651

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on November 25, 2011
at 06:39 AM

@kewpie Don't be silly. There much is more omega 6 in a handful of almonds than even a pound of ground beef.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on November 25, 2011
at 05:00 AM

I'm not sure you'd be able to taste a difference in omega 3-6 balances

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

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on November 25, 2011
at 04:57 AM

i do notice a difference which is why i asked the question. its not about whether you do or not. i am asking for opinions or options on what to do about cutting out grocery store food

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

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on November 25, 2011
at 04:56 AM

sellit not buy it...

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on November 25, 2011
at 04:39 AM

^I counter the disagree with an agree. I never noticed a difference between grassfed and 'normal' beef.

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on November 25, 2011
at 03:42 AM

I don't think buying grassfed meat is illegal anywhere in the U.S.

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on November 25, 2011
at 03:41 AM

I have to disagree. Omega 3/6 balance is very important to overall health and industrially produced meats are very, very heavy on the omega 6s. Grassfed beef is usually around 1:2, while grainfed beef can be as high as 20:1.

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on November 25, 2011
at 02:56 AM

It doesn't appear to be illegal to buy grassfed meat in MS: http://www.eatwild.com/products/mississippi.html

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on November 25, 2011
at 02:31 AM

Grass-fed and/or organic is the icing on the paleo cake. You're getting 90%+ of the results by just getting the big picture right, buzzwords provide relatively little added benefit for the expense (i.e. diminishing returns).

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on November 25, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Mitch has it exactly right. Beef is not high in PUFAs, so a wacky ratio has little effect on the overall ratio in one's whole diet. See also: http://grassbasedhealth.blogspot.com/2011/10/is-grass-fed-beef-really-rich-in-omega.html

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

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on November 25, 2011
at 04:57 AM

i do notice a difference which is why i asked the question. its not about whether you do or not. i am asking for opinions or options on what to do about cutting out grocery store food

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on November 25, 2011
at 03:41 AM

I have to disagree. Omega 3/6 balance is very important to overall health and industrially produced meats are very, very heavy on the omega 6s. Grassfed beef is usually around 1:2, while grainfed beef can be as high as 20:1.

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on November 25, 2011
at 08:44 AM

@Mitch I wasn't advocating eating nuts instead (or at all). The issue here is 6/3 ratio. Grassfed beef has a lot more omega 3 which is very important for keeping your 6/3 ratio in balance.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on November 25, 2011
at 04:39 AM

^I counter the disagree with an agree. I never noticed a difference between grassfed and 'normal' beef.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on November 25, 2011
at 04:58 PM

@Matt- The biggest issue with CAFO meat (especially for Mal) is the hormones & antibiotics--NOT the O3/O6 ratios.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on November 26, 2011
at 03:48 AM

@Dragonfly, agreed. Even then hormone and antibiotics are used within mandates that minimize exposure to residues. I'm also opposed to withholding antibiotics from animals that may fall sick to keep "organic" status, it's inhumane to do so.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on November 25, 2011
at 04:53 PM

@Mallory, you really don't detail what differences you can detect between grass-fed organic and CAFO meats. I wonder what you think the differences are. I also wonder how much of it is in your head (placebo/nocebo effects are quite real and powerful!)

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on November 25, 2011
at 05:00 AM

I'm not sure you'd be able to taste a difference in omega 3-6 balances

551ff00cfc1fa7e7c8b347f615a4a651

(10)

on November 25, 2011
at 06:39 AM

@kewpie Don't be silly. There much is more omega 6 in a handful of almonds than even a pound of ground beef.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on November 27, 2011
at 03:00 PM

Food quality is critical. It controls our epigenetics and how we can manipulate gene expression. It is not talked about enough in this community.

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on November 25, 2011
at 10:27 AM

I just noticed I got my ratios backwards in my earlier comment. The 3/6 ratio should be grassfed beef--1:2 and grainfed beef--1:20.

664efb0a77ab70435f580d6867afa0fa

(544)

on November 25, 2011
at 03:11 PM

@kewpie The total pufa content of beef is low enough that it probably doesn't affect your ratio unless it is the only pufa source. Some nuts, chicken, or salmon makes your beef quality irrelevant (to your omega 6/3 ratio)

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on November 25, 2011
at 04:56 PM

Mal~ Given that you want to balance out your hormones, I would suggest only eating antibiotic & hormone-free/free-range/wild meat, fish, dairy & eggs.

It is not illegal to sell grass-fed meat in MS--where did you read that?

I don't know where you live in MS, but here is a place in Jackson: http://www.rainbowcoop.org

Also, the EatWild link, as mentioned in the comments.

It may be worthwhile to find a friend with some freezer space & stock up as often as you can.

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