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Diet unpalatable + concerned about sleep

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 09, 2013 at 2:29 PM

I'm 19, male, 5'2 and about 122 lbs. Been non-low carb paleo for about 4 months. About 90/10. No autoimmune disorders or family history of them.

So starting with the sleep question: Iv'e had sleep issues all my life with the majority of the issue being that I couldn't get to sleep. I stopped eating SAD foods about 2 years ago but before that when I lived on soda and candy I sometimes couldn't sleep for days. Since going paleo my sleep has gone in an entirely different direction. I can't get up.

Last night I slept for 18 hours. I went to bed around 12pm and got up at 6am this morning. Not only am sleeping too long but I don't have the energy during the day either. I can barely get through my workouts, I keep getting dizzy, and my memory is totally gone. Sometimes I drop things for no reason and yesterday I almost left my car running to go into a store.

Since eating this way my blood pressure is much lower then it used to be (was around 115/80 and now around 107/50) so i'm not sure if that has anything to do with it. Eating starchy foods likes potato or rice does nothing to help but a piece of cake clears everything up. Any ideas about what's going on and what I can do?

The question about the diet being unpalatable As a kid I was allowed to make most of my food decisions and almost always snubbed the meats for dairy and grains. As a teenager if you took me to a restaurant you would always find me ordering a pasta dish and the only meat I would order was seafood. Thanksgiving was strictly rolls and sweet potatoes. It's pretty much the same now. I hate meat basically.

Basiclly the idea that I can eat all the steak and bacon I want isn't really appealing to me. I can't happily eat more then 12oz of steak a week and even the smell of bacon makes me want to puke. I hate sausage & eggs as well. All lean white meat is awful but too much fatty white meat (like duck confit) makes me sick. It doesn't matter how it's prepared and I literally have to force myself to eat.

Going grocery shopping is hell. I get in the store and end up having a panic attack because after I figure out which foods I cant eat and which foods I don't want to eat I end up walking away with some spinach and a box of oranges. When I do buy things I can eat but don't want to (aka a duck/steak/whatever) it sits in my freezer until i'm so hungry I have no choice to eat it and then i'm miserable because it's not what I want. It's causing me to get into fights with my family and i'm just really really miserable.

Pre-paleo I wasnt eating SAD however. I was an ovo-pesceterian who ate under a lot of the same principles as paleo. I ate with intention to balance my omega 3's and didn't fear saturated fat. I ate a lot of seafood, vegetables, fruits, "safe starch", legumes, whole sprouted & non sprouted gluten grains, some nuts and seeds, and little sugar. So I did eat things like pasta but when I did it was like once a month and only half a cup of it. The question is how do make I eating this way more enjoyable?

All I really want is like rice and beans :(

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on February 09, 2013
at 06:22 PM

presumably make up with more seafood.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on February 09, 2013
at 06:22 PM

The question would then be: why would you have blood sugar issues? A "ton" of carbs ought to fix that (unless you were getting low blood sugar *after* the carbs. The only extra the cake would have would be carbs+*fat* which was the other reason I was suggesting adding fat to your carbs. More generally: why do you find paleo so hard compared to your previous diet? On paper there wouldn't be so much difference: just swapping tubers for grains and rice. The only thing you would lose in that switch (apart from the addictiveness of beans and grains!) would be protein, which you could...

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on February 09, 2013
at 06:15 PM

Oh I'm with you - don't get me wrong. Wheat and dairy do me in - joint pain, exhaustion, brain fog. But I think sometimes a gradual change is better.

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on February 09, 2013
at 05:51 PM

haha it's nice to hear someone else is also exhausted. The funny thing is that iv'e done about a million diets and have tried lo-carb meat/vegetable heavy diets and weighed 50lbs more then I do now. I lost a little over 100lbs eating the way I was pre-paleo and was much heavier without legumes in my diet. I really don't want to add wheat back into my diet however because the science behind wheat + joint pain makes a lot of sense to me. I cured my dogs arthritis by taking grains out of her diet and if I can avoid joint pain now as opposed to fixing it when i'm older i'd rather do that.

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on February 09, 2013
at 05:41 PM

hmm, I already eat rice but try to keep it in check since it doesn't really have any nutrients in it. I usually eat some kind of rice/potato/squash type stuff everyday so i'll try eating a bigger portion and see if that helps.

Df988d3b8bda08f8915d601dc7208438

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on February 09, 2013
at 05:39 PM

Well i'm already still eating a ton of fruits and veggies and safe starch. I'm not sure it's calories since i'm eating more now then I was before. I fully agree there's nothing in cake I need. Could it be a blood sugar issue as opposed to a nutrient issue?

Df988d3b8bda08f8915d601dc7208438

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on February 09, 2013
at 05:37 PM

I'm already eating potatoes and making sure to get enough salt. I track what I eat so when my I noticed my salt was too low I upped it. Hasn't seemed to help much.

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on February 09, 2013
at 04:09 PM

Agreed. You likely also need supplemental D3 and magnesium, both of which will help regulate your sleep & blood pressure.

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on February 09, 2013
at 03:11 PM

Agree with eating potatoes. Also, SALT. Anecdotally dizziness etc could indicate adrenal issues(Same with the sleep. Get your hormones tested and while you're waiting eat more carbs and salt them (and other stuff) heavily, if you aren't doing that already.

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on February 09, 2013
at 02:46 PM

Eat potatoes man.

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E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on February 09, 2013
at 03:05 PM

Paleo doesn't need to involve piles of meat with some plant-based garnish. You can still eat "a lot of seafood, vegetables, fruits, "safe starch." If you prefer seafood, don't eat any other meat at all.

There's almost certainly nothing specific to cake that you're missing. Perhaps try eating your safe starch with more butter/coconut oil. You might not be eating sufficient calories, that will certainly make you weak and sleepy.

Df988d3b8bda08f8915d601dc7208438

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on February 09, 2013
at 05:39 PM

Well i'm already still eating a ton of fruits and veggies and safe starch. I'm not sure it's calories since i'm eating more now then I was before. I fully agree there's nothing in cake I need. Could it be a blood sugar issue as opposed to a nutrient issue?

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on February 09, 2013
at 06:22 PM

presumably make up with more seafood.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on February 09, 2013
at 04:09 PM

Agreed. You likely also need supplemental D3 and magnesium, both of which will help regulate your sleep & blood pressure.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on February 09, 2013
at 06:22 PM

The question would then be: why would you have blood sugar issues? A "ton" of carbs ought to fix that (unless you were getting low blood sugar *after* the carbs. The only extra the cake would have would be carbs+*fat* which was the other reason I was suggesting adding fat to your carbs. More generally: why do you find paleo so hard compared to your previous diet? On paper there wouldn't be so much difference: just swapping tubers for grains and rice. The only thing you would lose in that switch (apart from the addictiveness of beans and grains!) would be protein, which you could...

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32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on February 09, 2013
at 05:36 PM

Personally, I would GO BACK to the diet you were on that you liked. Then I would try to tweak one thing at a time. Cut the pasta, but leave the sprouted wheat and legumes. Wait a few weeks. Then maybe cut the wheat. Wait a few weeks. Give your body a chance to adjust. I actually know quite a few people (including my mother) who try paleo and are exhausted, and end up adding legumes back in. Find new things to eat to replace the things you cut out, and don't cut more until your body is happy.

I would so happily eat rice and beans until I died. And I would weigh 800 lb. But I do so love them, too.

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on February 09, 2013
at 06:15 PM

Oh I'm with you - don't get me wrong. Wheat and dairy do me in - joint pain, exhaustion, brain fog. But I think sometimes a gradual change is better.

Df988d3b8bda08f8915d601dc7208438

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on February 09, 2013
at 05:51 PM

haha it's nice to hear someone else is also exhausted. The funny thing is that iv'e done about a million diets and have tried lo-carb meat/vegetable heavy diets and weighed 50lbs more then I do now. I lost a little over 100lbs eating the way I was pre-paleo and was much heavier without legumes in my diet. I really don't want to add wheat back into my diet however because the science behind wheat + joint pain makes a lot of sense to me. I cured my dogs arthritis by taking grains out of her diet and if I can avoid joint pain now as opposed to fixing it when i'm older i'd rather do that.

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on February 09, 2013
at 03:20 PM

I think he needs his starches. I'm one of those guys who needs 1 daily serving of simple carbs/starch - just one - to feel optimal (for me, about 50 to 75 grams of steamed white rice). Without it, I can feel absolutely energyless by the late afternoon in a way I've never experienced before going Paleo. For me personally, sweet potato would not do as substitute (or maybe I didn't test this option along with white potatoes carefully enough.) For some reason it had to be white rice or something made of white flour.

Edit:
IIRC, Dr. Anthony Goodman in the following course by The Teaching Company warns against low carb diets. Relatively conventional doctor. But said something interesting; he recommends 100 to 125 grams of carbs a day minimum, something about that amount being necessary to fire up Krebs cycle each day. Perhaps someone else can elaborate/correct me.

Lifelong Health: Achieving Optimum Well-Being at Any Age - Dr. Anthony Goodman http://www.thegreatcourses.com/tgc/courses/course_detail.aspx?cid=1970

Df988d3b8bda08f8915d601dc7208438

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on February 09, 2013
at 05:41 PM

hmm, I already eat rice but try to keep it in check since it doesn't really have any nutrients in it. I usually eat some kind of rice/potato/squash type stuff everyday so i'll try eating a bigger portion and see if that helps.

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on February 09, 2013
at 02:51 PM

I don't think the added stress of the paleo diet is worth the health benefits in your case.

Keep with eating real foods. Exercise regularly. I think this plan will make you very healthy and much less stressed than you currently are.

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