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What about food unreward?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 09, 2011 at 2:24 AM

There has been so much talk about food reward here and on Stephan's blog. What about food unreward? I'm talking about things that deter you from overindulging.

Some I'm thinking of include

  • bad aftertaste (ssam paste)
  • difficult to cook
  • requiring advance planning (all the meat in my freezer)
  • weird flavors (the seaweed icecream I ate a Sky Ice recently)
  • funky aroma (natto)
  • roommates who leave the sink full of dishes so you can't cook
  • knowing too much about where your food comes from (makes it hard to indulge in meats from unknown sources)
  • gross concept (Balut, insects)
  • getting food poisoning
  • living far away from everything
  • seeing overweight kids buying soda at the local gas station
  • a too-tight belt

Unfortunately it seems like many of these have been operating in my daily life lately...and yes, I've lost weight. Does food unreward affect your diet?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

What are the taste test strips? I swear my daughter is a super taster, she is uber picky not just about food groups, but she can pick out really subtle differences.

7636e1e02ef91a46f20a42e07b565a4b

(367)

on June 03, 2012
at 03:31 AM

getting a cold - i.e. can't smell. Forced nose-clipping.

1164ac7e9c1640010e4aca564d8f5b2e

(30)

on June 02, 2012
at 04:15 PM

I'm new to Paleo and just got some coconut oil. It's great where I once used butter. The smell makes me feel like I'm in the bahamas all the time :)

A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on June 02, 2012
at 02:44 PM

@tgdor - I probably misinterpreted the post, sorry. I have a knee jerk reaction to the term food reward and for me it always conjures up images of people feeding themselves garbage just because they've successfully gone without eating garbage for a set amount of time. I think there is a world of difference between the cultural and religious significance of food versus congratulating yourself for eating the food your body needs by feeding it something it doesn't. I also think it perpetuates a really unhealthy relationship with food.

870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300

(2056)

on June 02, 2012
at 02:17 PM

Wait. What? I thought "reward" in this context ("food reward") has an entirely different, specialized meaning. But I agree that the idea of treating oneself with food can be problematic (although deep-rooted in every culture--feast days and celebrations, anyone?).

35ba1f50dad25c85ac1aa2599fe5c5cb

(2485)

on August 10, 2011
at 09:43 PM

Even without the morningsickness those food aversions are killer. I had a super restricted diet (like 5 foods) my first trimester because almost all food was disgusting, and the smells of disgusting food on someone else's plate would kill my appetite entirely.

69a2a5deb24d5b8d3aae3d9652fac564

(1020)

on August 10, 2011
at 01:33 AM

akd, a vegan Japsican? They make those? :)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 09, 2011
at 05:39 PM

Wait? They can taste gross? Yeah, not talking the 9 year old into that one. I can't even get her to try chocolate ice cream!

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on August 09, 2011
at 05:33 PM

I am a super taster (my high school bio teacher made us use those strips -my shirt got ripped on the 1/2 class mad dash to the drinking fountain). But I love the taste of bitter things like coffee and grapefruit. (I also got to take the PTC strips home and test my family, for a genetic assignment, it was pretty funny)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 09, 2011
at 02:09 PM

I used PTC strips...http://www.indigo.com/test-strips/taste-test-strips.html

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 09, 2011
at 02:08 PM

They're here, at 2.50 per vial of 100...indigo.com/test-strips/taste-test-strips.html

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 09, 2011
at 02:08 PM

They're here, at @2.50 per vial of 100...http://www.indigo.com/test-strips/taste-test-strips.html

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on August 09, 2011
at 03:08 AM

(total aside here, but your name is cracking me up- i have a friend who is also half japanese and half mexican who calls herself "japexican" and is a militant vegan. i love it.)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 09, 2011
at 03:00 AM

just think of the aflatoxins!

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on August 09, 2011
at 02:37 AM

*being too hot out to cook/eat/think.

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E95216c62a14d21c371fcbf2fed8469b

(1867)

on August 09, 2011
at 02:42 AM

Watching Food Inc. has helped cut down on emotional snacking. Plus living far away from the city life has helped. Plus, I keep sugar out of the house. I control my environment a lot by necessity. When you're on a budget you buy the essentials. Also, hard to lose vanity pounds deter some of my food habits but I'm making yet another attempt at cutting peanut butter out of my life. Damn you peanut butter!!!!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 09, 2011
at 03:00 AM

just think of the aflatoxins!

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69a2a5deb24d5b8d3aae3d9652fac564

(1020)

on August 09, 2011
at 03:01 AM

Being Japanese...or at least 1/2 Japanese, I grew up loving natto. For me, it's got a high reward value. All the way down to the funky smell and the stringy weirdness. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!

So, I guess the reward value is relative to your culture, because this guy (points at self) can strait up make-out with a bowl of natto.

But don't forget, it IS a legume. Tsk tsk. :)

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on August 09, 2011
at 03:08 AM

(total aside here, but your name is cracking me up- i have a friend who is also half japanese and half mexican who calls herself "japexican" and is a militant vegan. i love it.)

69a2a5deb24d5b8d3aae3d9652fac564

(1020)

on August 10, 2011
at 01:33 AM

akd, a vegan Japsican? They make those? :)

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D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on August 09, 2011
at 02:34 AM

I know that being on the penultimate day of my first whole30, not being able to consume butter (I almost always use salted butter) makes the effort of preparing/eating veggies a lot less appealing. So less palatable veggies = little to no veggies where I'd otherwise have eaten lots.

1164ac7e9c1640010e4aca564d8f5b2e

(30)

on June 02, 2012
at 04:15 PM

I'm new to Paleo and just got some coconut oil. It's great where I once used butter. The smell makes me feel like I'm in the bahamas all the time :)

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21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 09, 2011
at 03:00 AM

As per 23andme.com, and those taste-test strips, I am a super duper super-taster. So bitter hints ruin a lot of foods and drinks for me--including spinach, coffee, whiskey, and all that.

Luckily, that means that I can forage more safely and avoid poisonous plants.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 09, 2011
at 05:39 PM

Wait? They can taste gross? Yeah, not talking the 9 year old into that one. I can't even get her to try chocolate ice cream!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 09, 2011
at 02:08 PM

They're here, at 2.50 per vial of 100...indigo.com/test-strips/taste-test-strips.html

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

What are the taste test strips? I swear my daughter is a super taster, she is uber picky not just about food groups, but she can pick out really subtle differences.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 09, 2011
at 02:09 PM

I used PTC strips...http://www.indigo.com/test-strips/taste-test-strips.html

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 09, 2011
at 02:08 PM

They're here, at @2.50 per vial of 100...http://www.indigo.com/test-strips/taste-test-strips.html

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on August 09, 2011
at 05:33 PM

I am a super taster (my high school bio teacher made us use those strips -my shirt got ripped on the 1/2 class mad dash to the drinking fountain). But I love the taste of bitter things like coffee and grapefruit. (I also got to take the PTC strips home and test my family, for a genetic assignment, it was pretty funny)

1
E91fd339d760ed76cc72570a679ebf5a

(2369)

on August 09, 2011
at 03:36 PM

Pregnancy. Food aversions + morning sickness (the kind that lasts 24/7).

35ba1f50dad25c85ac1aa2599fe5c5cb

(2485)

on August 10, 2011
at 09:43 PM

Even without the morningsickness those food aversions are killer. I had a super restricted diet (like 5 foods) my first trimester because almost all food was disgusting, and the smells of disgusting food on someone else's plate would kill my appetite entirely.

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1f96ce108240f19345c05704c7709dad

(1061)

on August 09, 2011
at 02:44 AM

Do food allergies make your list, M-HGL?

I am allergic to all crustaceans; my reactions to even very TEENY, TINY, MINUSCULE amounts of shrimp, crab, lobster, and crayfish are HUGE unrewards in my diet. I avoid them entirely - I do not even care of the smell of them; although I am told that fresh crustaceans do not have any odor.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on August 09, 2011
at 02:43 AM

It's funny, I usually eat just about anything, always with flavorings that aren't unhealthy, but if you put it in front of me I'll eat it. I haven't been grossed out by something that people would actually call food, and the decision to eat one food over the other is just ordinary preference, or intellectual having to do with nutrition. Just as palatability doesn't necessarily determine food reward, it doesn't necessarily determine disgust either. Remember Stephan's goo-tube-fed human guinea pigs? The overweight ones ate only a little while the lean ones ate close to their energy expenditure. I think that under normal healthy circumstances we have the instinct to eat to maintain a setpoint regardless of palatability. Although we won't eat something that is poisonous or infectious.

That's just dealing with taste rather than emotion like the example of fat kids drinking soda. Not entirely sure about that one.

0
1bbcd2122d9c75b07440f22ef57d6448

(2934)

on June 02, 2012
at 05:22 PM

Food unreward is how I stopped binging on SAD foods. I spent a solid couple of months fully paleo, then fell hard on some foods that I didn't even eat pre-paleo (I'm talking half container of ice cream, loaf of bread, box of cookies hard). I felt awful, recovered on paleo foods, but a few weeks later, I did it again. And again.

It's been a month since my last binge, and I can confidently say there won't be another one coming. I realized there was no pleasure in eating the "good" foods—at least not more than healthy foods—and that the costs (glycogen storage/fatness, digestive issues, dehydration) were too high to continue.

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A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on June 02, 2012
at 01:53 PM

The concept of "rewarding" yourself with food has always made me feel uncomfortable. I get embarrassed when I hear adults say they are going to "reward" themselves with some food item because they've been "good." That just sounds like something Buffalo Bill would shout down a well.

I am more swayed by the unreward. Once it makes me feel really sick, the food is dead to me.

A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on June 02, 2012
at 02:44 PM

@tgdor - I probably misinterpreted the post, sorry. I have a knee jerk reaction to the term food reward and for me it always conjures up images of people feeding themselves garbage just because they've successfully gone without eating garbage for a set amount of time. I think there is a world of difference between the cultural and religious significance of food versus congratulating yourself for eating the food your body needs by feeding it something it doesn't. I also think it perpetuates a really unhealthy relationship with food.

870fdea50f2a9f1cd2890c8e22549300

(2056)

on June 02, 2012
at 02:17 PM

Wait. What? I thought "reward" in this context ("food reward") has an entirely different, specialized meaning. But I agree that the idea of treating oneself with food can be problematic (although deep-rooted in every culture--feast days and celebrations, anyone?).

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F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on August 09, 2011
at 05:36 PM

Trying to exit Costco via the food court is totally enough to turn me away from pizza. It smells like grease and full garbage cans and old condiments. Not to mention watching the SAD overweight families stuff their faces. BLECH! Even food poisoning from coffee can't turn me away from it. I am pretty sure it will have to be pried from my cold dead hands.

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66974b2cb291799dcd661b7dec99a9e2

(11121)

on August 09, 2011
at 04:31 AM

The only thing I need to keep from indulging or over indulging is my free will to chose what I eat, it's all about choice.

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