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Shangri La diet

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 03, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Does it now make sense in light of the recent discussions on food reward, set points, and fat loss? Here is a link

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on February 04, 2012
at 11:24 AM

Wow, well done!

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on June 05, 2011
at 04:27 AM

Haha - no kidding! I just wish I had thought of it first :-)

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on June 05, 2011
at 03:47 AM

You could try using expelled coconut oil, so it pretty much has no flavour.

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on June 04, 2011
at 02:40 PM

The underpants gnomes would agree.

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on June 04, 2011
at 12:40 PM

You could break down any diet the same way if you go at it with little information, including paleo.

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on June 03, 2011
at 10:41 PM

Oh, I did the canola thing too. Ignoring the health effects of that particular oil, it had an interesting effect: I'd feel "hungry" but didn't feel like eating. I feel that way sometimes with coconut oil too (though coconut has more flavor to me), and perhaps it'd work like the canola but healthier.

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on June 03, 2011
at 10:35 PM

ive always like what others call bland foods, too.

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at 10:29 PM

It IS utterly counterintuitive (part of its appeal I think - I'm weird that way). I tried the sugar version first, and I didn't like the effect: I would get hot and hyper. HOWEVER - that was a *sugar rush* which I normally never got because my insulin response was nearly prediabetic. It's the *flavor/scent* of sweet - not the sweet itself - the triggers the insulin flood (to a degree). Also, very few foods are truly bland - try eating with a nose clip on and you'll notice a BIG diff in taste. I think it's usefully *informative* but I wouldn't actually do Shangri-La now.

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50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on June 03, 2011
at 09:59 PM

The Jaminents just posted a great write up on this yesterday. Here is a link link text

What I took from it is that Food Reward, as presented by Stephen, does play a role, but it is part of a larger system, and may only impact those whose are already obese.

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on February 04, 2012
at 07:45 AM

natural food reward is good for you, artificially induced (processed/flavored food) food reward drives obesity and modern disease. I dislike Shangri La diet because I hate consuming oils by themselves. However, I follow Stephan guyenet's low reward guide (with a Paleo template of foods) + sometimes I even do a nose clip to further lower the taste of the already plain diet I'm eating. I kid you not, I dropped 60lbs on Paleo alone but had 40lbs that I couldn't budge. I'm now starting to see my abs, it's ridiculous. All my life I've been morbidly obese and at the age of 25 I'm starting to be as lean and fit as a fitness model.

A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

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on February 04, 2012
at 11:24 AM

Wow, well done!

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on June 05, 2011
at 02:21 AM

It worked well and quickly for me. 60 pound in four months.

The problem was it was not sustainable. For me it also seemed to cause fatigue, depression and ahedonia.

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on June 04, 2011
at 01:02 AM

From what I gather the Shangri-La diet breaks down to...

  • Step 1 - Eat bland tasteless foods in order to lose weight-
  • Step 2 - Write a book about eating bland tasteless foods-
  • Step 3 - Profit!

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 05, 2011
at 04:27 AM

Haha - no kidding! I just wish I had thought of it first :-)

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on June 04, 2011
at 12:40 PM

You could break down any diet the same way if you go at it with little information, including paleo.

Medium avatar

(19469)

on June 04, 2011
at 02:40 PM

The underpants gnomes would agree.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 03, 2011
at 10:02 PM

I think they mentioned it on Chris Kresser's podcast with Stephen Guyenet. I just remembered them mentioning the guys name Seth Roberts. Read the link and one thing is for sure I wouldn't eat Canola oil if you paid me. Seriously gross what oil like that goes through. I already eat a tablespoon of coconut oil mixed with my cod liver oil. (talk about bad tastes)

Don't know about the sugar water. It would be really sweet with 3 T per liter so is the aim tastelessness or is the aim for it to be not tasty, which super sweet water would be?

Overall this idea doesn't make sense to me in the simplistic sense it's being put our there. Eat only bland foods. I love bland foods. Rice in particular. I'll eat spoonfuls of the stuff with nothing on it. Now add something spicy to it and I'll get satisfied and stop eating. Maybe it's a timing thing.

One thing is for sure this Food reward/set point thing is blazing through Paleo hacks.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 03, 2011
at 10:29 PM

It IS utterly counterintuitive (part of its appeal I think - I'm weird that way). I tried the sugar version first, and I didn't like the effect: I would get hot and hyper. HOWEVER - that was a *sugar rush* which I normally never got because my insulin response was nearly prediabetic. It's the *flavor/scent* of sweet - not the sweet itself - the triggers the insulin flood (to a degree). Also, very few foods are truly bland - try eating with a nose clip on and you'll notice a BIG diff in taste. I think it's usefully *informative* but I wouldn't actually do Shangri-La now.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 03, 2011
at 10:35 PM

ive always like what others call bland foods, too.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on June 03, 2011
at 10:41 PM

Oh, I did the canola thing too. Ignoring the health effects of that particular oil, it had an interesting effect: I'd feel "hungry" but didn't feel like eating. I feel that way sometimes with coconut oil too (though coconut has more flavor to me), and perhaps it'd work like the canola but healthier.

B3e7d1ab5aeb329fe24cca1de1a0b09c

(5242)

on June 05, 2011
at 03:47 AM

You could try using expelled coconut oil, so it pretty much has no flavour.

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Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 03, 2011
at 09:54 PM

I think it does, though incidentally. I started there btw - it had the geeky self-experimentation attraction I needed, and it definitely had some results. Gets top marks in the 'worst name for a diet, ever' category though.

The most valuable aspect of it for me were the forums. People did a lot of self-experimentation that went way outside the borders of 'true' Shangri-La. You could just read the forums for days and weeks and learn an incredible amount.

One explanation was that it worked by separating calories from flavor (and scent) - it's the latter which actually tells the body to generate insulin. The carbs themselves have little impact without flavor to 'identify' them.

That was were I first heard about Good Calories Bad Calories btw, from Todd Becker who now has a very interesting blog called Getting Stronger: http://gettingstronger.org/ And from GCBC I went low/zero carb and then found paleo...

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on June 03, 2011
at 11:59 PM

This doesn't really answer your exact question, but in case it is useful to anyone: I followed the Shangri La Diet quite strictly for a while a couple years back, and it had absolutely no effect whatsoever. It seems to work for some people but I wasn't among them. I was on the SAD back then fwiw.

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