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food reward and underweight

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 08, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Just a simple question. If reduced food reward reduces calorie intake, should underweight people follow a high rewarding (but healthy) paleo diet? (Consisting of all those highly delicious baked goods and recipes combining fat and sugar)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 11, 2011
at 07:50 AM

_I've tried pot-induced binging and I did gain, but felt like I was in a total fog mentally_: There are different forms of cannabis, some of them give you fog some not. Most induce bunging.

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on October 09, 2011
at 01:29 PM

...and then just whole basic food that is well-prepared and tasty like all the normal food that I prepare for people and I myself eat. Tasty nutritious stuff, but not stuff that really makes you choose to go back to the cupboard and eat more and more of it.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on October 09, 2011
at 01:28 PM

I suppose if one is not willing to eat more of the same food then yes I'd agree with both of you. I suppose I just wouldn't advocate consuming foods that are what I consider overly tasty and designed to make you eat more ever, to anyone. It doesn't mean that I couldn't cook you some food in a tasty manner that would make you eat a whole lot more of it. This matter is still for me very unclear. I guess I'm thinking of two general differences: foods that are just overly tasty that really make you do things like eat a ton of that will make you feel not so good (candy cig type-of idea perhaps)...

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

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on October 09, 2011
at 06:33 AM

Melissa, which tasty food do you eat?

D117467bf8e8472464ece2b81509606c

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on October 09, 2011
at 06:21 AM

Lol vanity gaining? That's a new one.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 09, 2011
at 03:26 AM

I agree with cliff...there is simply no way I can make myself eat more plain foods

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 09, 2011
at 02:32 AM

how do you get them to eat more when they are completly full off simple foods? If I did what you suggested I would never be able to eat enough. Even Stephan G said some people need high food reward diets like soldiers in war.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 09, 2011
at 12:04 AM

The opposite effect might show depending on usage and type of cannabis. Some cannabionids in marijuana actually promote wasting (canabinol). Also, if you smoke a lot, I guess you can desentisize CB1 receptors which translate to to that drug used against obesity so it does make sense.... however, I wouldn't take that path. To get fattier, its enough to smoke 1 joint in the evening and then ride the fridge.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 09, 2011
at 12:01 AM

So, you can't take minority as example of addictivnes, otherwise, everything is a drug and we should forbid TV's, travels, coffee, hand washing etc...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 08, 2011
at 11:59 PM

Marijuana is not addictive. People could get addicted to anything - from chocolate, over coca cola, to paleohacks.To study some effects of cannabis, scientist must use substance that force THC to unbind unnaturaly from CB1 receptor which then shows classic addictive sympthoms for several days. This doesn't happen without it, THC delta 9 is released over period of several days. Like I said, some people are genetically determined to enjoy cannabis more then others, majority of people can smoke for decades and then stop in a single day without any serious crisis. Its there, in serious m. books.

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on October 08, 2011
at 11:46 PM

Some people have the opposite effect-smoking lots of pot leads to reduced appetite. I know a lot of people in that boat, and I barely ate when I used to smoke all day, every day. And I beg to differ that marijuana is not addictive, I know a lot of people who are definitely addicted, and go through physical withdrawals(major lack of energy, reduced sex drive, reduced appetite, depression, confusion, constipation, headaches) when quitting.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 08, 2011
at 10:08 PM

And THC, exogenous CB1 agonist from cannabis is much more potent.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 08, 2011
at 10:07 PM

Unfortunately, endogenous CB1 ligand, anandamide, promotes both blissful state and eating.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 08, 2011
at 10:06 PM

It also depends on your genome. Some pot heads actually have reduced number of CB receptors which leads to state of felling less happy in life. Such people benefit more of cannabis and cannabis can be mildly addictive to them (its not addictive in general) because they are really 'fixing' that part of their brain by using it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 08, 2011
at 10:03 PM

I don't think ALL pot heads are overweight because there are diminishing returns to cannabis if you use it in chronically, but even then, I think it will promote weight at least a bit. Some of the very well known antiobesity drugs are cannabis receptor blockers.

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on October 08, 2011
at 09:44 PM

Thats why all pot heads are over weight?

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on October 08, 2011
at 06:50 PM

Trying to gain weight does not necessarily equal needing to gain weight. For that reason, I would not suggest that someone consume a high sugar diet. If weight gain is desired, high reward/high quality/nutritious fats, starches, and proteins would be my recommendation.

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

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on October 08, 2011
at 06:47 PM

Sorry, I meant carbs when I said "sugar", not refined sugar off course.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 08, 2011
at 06:45 PM

milk, starch+fat(potatoes+butter/white rice+butter), ice cream(high quality), lots of salt to make stuff taste better...we don't have a good kitchen so he can't make tasty recipes like french fries n stuff and he feels like starch+fat isn't that rewarding because he eats it a lot so he eats 1/2 gallon of HQ ice cream(3800 cals) every other day he does it all in one go so its not cariogenic.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 08, 2011
at 06:38 PM

high sugar or high carb?

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on October 08, 2011
at 06:29 PM

what high rewarding food does he eat?

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26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on October 09, 2011
at 06:13 AM

This is my theory, yes. I've been 10-16 lbs underweight by BMI since my mid-teens, with the help of high-reward paleo I am only about 5 lbs underweight these days. I would say I ate a normal amount of food before I really started trying to overeat, but the plain fact is I need to be eating A LOT more than most people do to maintain my weight, much less gain, and my natural appetite is not all that strong and needs to be prodded along.

I eat hyper-palatable, very flavorful foods, tons of fat (specially dairy fat) and I combine lots of fats with my sugar and starch (fruit and tubers usually). I also find it helps me to eat a lot more if I have many options at the same meal, rather than larger portions of the same old thing.

I've tried pot-induced binging and I did gain, but felt like I was in a total fog mentally. Not worth it just for 'vanity pounds'.

D117467bf8e8472464ece2b81509606c

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on October 09, 2011
at 06:21 AM

Lol vanity gaining? That's a new one.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 11, 2011
at 07:50 AM

_I've tried pot-induced binging and I did gain, but felt like I was in a total fog mentally_: There are different forms of cannabis, some of them give you fog some not. Most induce bunging.

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Medium avatar

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on October 08, 2011
at 06:34 PM

I would be hesitant to suggest that high sugar ("paleo" or otherwise) is a good idea, even if someone is trying to gain weight.

Otherwise, it would seem reasonable that high-reward foods (thus greater sustained caloric intake) would help an underweight person gain body mass.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 08, 2011
at 06:38 PM

high sugar or high carb?

Medium avatar

(19479)

on October 08, 2011
at 06:50 PM

Trying to gain weight does not necessarily equal needing to gain weight. For that reason, I would not suggest that someone consume a high sugar diet. If weight gain is desired, high reward/high quality/nutritious fats, starches, and proteins would be my recommendation.

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on October 08, 2011
at 06:47 PM

Sorry, I meant carbs when I said "sugar", not refined sugar off course.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on October 09, 2011
at 01:07 AM

I wouldn't think so. I'd tell the underweight person to simply eat more quantity of plain whole foods with minimal spicing.

In other words, I wouldn't recommend someone to eat highly rewarding (or whatever these foods are called: overly tasty, salty, etc stuff) stuff ever.

If a person needs to eat more food than simply eat more of the same food they're currently eating.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 09, 2011
at 03:26 AM

I agree with cliff...there is simply no way I can make myself eat more plain foods

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on October 09, 2011
at 06:33 AM

Melissa, which tasty food do you eat?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on October 09, 2011
at 01:28 PM

I suppose if one is not willing to eat more of the same food then yes I'd agree with both of you. I suppose I just wouldn't advocate consuming foods that are what I consider overly tasty and designed to make you eat more ever, to anyone. It doesn't mean that I couldn't cook you some food in a tasty manner that would make you eat a whole lot more of it. This matter is still for me very unclear. I guess I'm thinking of two general differences: foods that are just overly tasty that really make you do things like eat a ton of that will make you feel not so good (candy cig type-of idea perhaps)...

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 09, 2011
at 02:32 AM

how do you get them to eat more when they are completly full off simple foods? If I did what you suggested I would never be able to eat enough. Even Stephan G said some people need high food reward diets like soldiers in war.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on October 09, 2011
at 01:29 PM

...and then just whole basic food that is well-prepared and tasty like all the normal food that I prepare for people and I myself eat. Tasty nutritious stuff, but not stuff that really makes you choose to go back to the cupboard and eat more and more of it.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 08, 2011
at 08:41 PM

Use cannabis. You will eat whatever is there. Period.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 08, 2011
at 10:07 PM

Unfortunately, endogenous CB1 ligand, anandamide, promotes both blissful state and eating.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 09, 2011
at 12:04 AM

The opposite effect might show depending on usage and type of cannabis. Some cannabionids in marijuana actually promote wasting (canabinol). Also, if you smoke a lot, I guess you can desentisize CB1 receptors which translate to to that drug used against obesity so it does make sense.... however, I wouldn't take that path. To get fattier, its enough to smoke 1 joint in the evening and then ride the fridge.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 08, 2011
at 10:08 PM

And THC, exogenous CB1 agonist from cannabis is much more potent.

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on October 08, 2011
at 11:46 PM

Some people have the opposite effect-smoking lots of pot leads to reduced appetite. I know a lot of people in that boat, and I barely ate when I used to smoke all day, every day. And I beg to differ that marijuana is not addictive, I know a lot of people who are definitely addicted, and go through physical withdrawals(major lack of energy, reduced sex drive, reduced appetite, depression, confusion, constipation, headaches) when quitting.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 08, 2011
at 10:03 PM

I don't think ALL pot heads are overweight because there are diminishing returns to cannabis if you use it in chronically, but even then, I think it will promote weight at least a bit. Some of the very well known antiobesity drugs are cannabis receptor blockers.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 08, 2011
at 10:06 PM

It also depends on your genome. Some pot heads actually have reduced number of CB receptors which leads to state of felling less happy in life. Such people benefit more of cannabis and cannabis can be mildly addictive to them (its not addictive in general) because they are really 'fixing' that part of their brain by using it.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on October 08, 2011
at 09:44 PM

Thats why all pot heads are over weight?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 08, 2011
at 11:59 PM

Marijuana is not addictive. People could get addicted to anything - from chocolate, over coca cola, to paleohacks.To study some effects of cannabis, scientist must use substance that force THC to unbind unnaturaly from CB1 receptor which then shows classic addictive sympthoms for several days. This doesn't happen without it, THC delta 9 is released over period of several days. Like I said, some people are genetically determined to enjoy cannabis more then others, majority of people can smoke for decades and then stop in a single day without any serious crisis. Its there, in serious m. books.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 09, 2011
at 12:01 AM

So, you can't take minority as example of addictivnes, otherwise, everything is a drug and we should forbid TV's, travels, coffee, hand washing etc...

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 08, 2011
at 06:28 PM

In my experience yes, my brother needs high rewarding food or he waste away.

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on October 08, 2011
at 06:29 PM

what high rewarding food does he eat?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 08, 2011
at 06:45 PM

milk, starch+fat(potatoes+butter/white rice+butter), ice cream(high quality), lots of salt to make stuff taste better...we don't have a good kitchen so he can't make tasty recipes like french fries n stuff and he feels like starch+fat isn't that rewarding because he eats it a lot so he eats 1/2 gallon of HQ ice cream(3800 cals) every other day he does it all in one go so its not cariogenic.

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1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on October 09, 2011
at 12:39 AM

I don't know about eating lots of sugar. I'm on a maintenance Primal diet, and I have to eat starchy foods every day, as well as fruits and some dark chocolate in order to stay at my current weight. I do indulge in sugar and fruits more now than when I was strict Paleo and trying to lose weight, but I still try keep my total sugar intake (counting fruits) to less than 50g/day.

Potatoes, yucca & occasional white rice are my Primal starch sources. And I can't seem to be able to make a decent-tasting Paleo pastry, so that option is out the window for me, lol.

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