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What Fluoride Shower Filter would GROK pick?

Answered on April 26, 2016
Created July 18, 2013 at 7:21 PM

I'm convinced that:

1) Fluoride is terrible to drink and shower in,

and

2) Grok was smart for not adding it to his drinking and showering water.

Question:

What's a safe and effective brand / model to filter shower water?

Given how bad fluoride is, I'm concerned that accumulated/filtered fluoride could "break free" and later come out in the water (more of a concern for my forthcoming drinking water filter, but I haven't even begun that process yet).

I found one one that seemed good, but then they started talking about adding a copper ring to give "life force" to the water. My BS meter went off and I'm continuing my search. Any suggestions would make this caveman's life easier and would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Caveman Mike

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on July 23, 2013
at 11:14 AM

@raydawg: Nice idea on the tootphaste, might give it a go I don't know how much damage the fluoride in toothpaste would be doing (assuming you're not absorbing it by drinking water and through the skin as well). I'm assuming a low quantity would probably get absorbed in the grand scheme of things, not sure about other chemicals in the toothpaste though. Fluoride is a naturally occurring chemical after all and it might be OK in small amounts.

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on July 23, 2013
at 11:11 AM

I remember reading that the chlorine levels in public swimming pools are so bad that you shouldn't use them at all. I know someone that worked at a swimming pool in the area and he said they only change the water in the pool once every 6 - 12 months (25m indoor pool). They just keep adding more chlorine throughout the year to keep it 'clean'

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 21, 2013
at 09:30 PM

I am testing it now.........in tea only form.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on July 21, 2013
at 05:07 PM

So is swimming in a pool bad than?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on July 21, 2013
at 10:38 AM

+1 on the chlorine; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474325/ (Effects of chlorinated drinking water on human lipid metabolism.)

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on July 21, 2013
at 10:35 AM

I'd be worried about how much of that fluoride you'd absorb through your tongue and other tissues. The claim that it's good for teeth is very much a stretch. At best it makes teeth more brittle. Sorry, I'm not putting any neurotoxin in my mouth. I'd rather make my own toothpaste from coconut oil, baking soda, a teaspoon of mint extract oil, and a few drops of oregano oil. Doesn't taste good, but kills bacteria like a champ and makes my breath smell awesome. Incase you're not aware, there are sublingual vitamins, we absorb those and can absorb fluoride the same way.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on July 21, 2013
at 10:28 AM

I have a small kitchen RO unit, there are no tablets. I add liquid minerals to my water. I have NEVER heard of water leeching minerals from your body. Yes, we lose some electrolites in sweat, but there's nothing special about RO water that would cause it to go beyond that.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on July 21, 2013
at 10:24 AM

So, does tulsi have the same issue as green or black tea where it readily absorbs fluoride and consuming it is a bad idea?

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

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on July 21, 2013
at 05:44 AM

Wonder what affect holy basil has on fluoride in the body when we eat it? Best add some kelp.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 21, 2013
at 03:28 AM

you can buy RO at walmart now dirt cheap.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on July 20, 2013
at 01:39 AM

Check your math: http://www.oralanswers.com/2011/04/is-there-more-fluoride-in-a-pea-sized-amount-of-toothpaste-or-a-liter-of-water/

4739dfc454ee7d5b4a6c232984fb9fb9

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on July 19, 2013
at 10:29 PM

As well as certain rural areas, particularly in India and China and certain parts of the United States.

4739dfc454ee7d5b4a6c232984fb9fb9

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on July 19, 2013
at 10:27 PM

The concentration of fluorine in a pea sized amount of toothpaste is approximately 652mg/L (0.13% w/v fluorine in pea volume 200uL converted to mg/L). The FDA regulated fluorine content in water is 4mg/L. So unless you plan on feeding a child 163 liters of water a day, you shouldn't be concerned about fluorine toxicity. Furthermore, skeletal fluorosis levels are most prevelant in areas with unregulated, naturally occurring levels of fluorine, such as in certain African countries.

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on July 19, 2013
at 10:05 PM

BTW, this was the site that set off my BS meter. However, I don't think they are saying the copper ring removes fluoride, just that you should get their shower filter AND the copper ring for good karma and life force in your water. BS !

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on July 19, 2013
at 10:03 PM

Even according to: http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/naturalhazards/en/index2.html high levels of fluoride can cause "Crippling skeletal fluorosis" . This doesn't set off my BS meter. BTW, read your toothpaste warning label: call poison control if a pea size amount of toothpaste is swallowed by a child. Do the math, and you'll see that equates to a shockingly low amount of fluoridated water. BTW, even the ADA says don't use fluoridated water to make infant formula.

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on July 19, 2013
at 09:38 PM

Your BS meter went off when they said to buy a copper ring to give "life force," yet you are "convinced" that you must remove several parts per million fluoride molecules from your shower water? Before water fluoridation was controlled, many "natural" sources of water contained significantly higher levels of fluoride. http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/basicinformation/fluoride.cfm

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on July 19, 2013
at 03:14 PM

Interesting. I wonder how one would distinguish between scam filter and good filter. I was entertaining reverse osmosis for the kitchen but I keep hearing that's "dead water", devoid of minerals, and it basically leaches minerals out of your body. I'm now just beginning learning about chlorine and I agree, that doesn't sound good to drink (especially with probiotics :-)

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on July 18, 2013
at 09:31 PM

(chlorine absorption demo -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bIdmmY1yxk)

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on July 18, 2013
at 09:27 PM

Where I live, there's a TON of chlorine in the drinking water. (More than goes in a typical swimming pool.) I'd add that to your list. $10,000 bucks on a whole house RO should get you close to where you want to be.

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4cef120270c742b7f0094b05c617636f

on July 19, 2013
at 10:22 AM

As far as I'm aware from previous research there is no economic way to filter fluoride and most basic water/shower filters claiming to do so are a scam.

On my home shower I've got a basic chlorine filter. From what I understand chlorine is actually much worse than fluoride when it comes to showering. Not sure if it is really as bad as they say it is, but I have read that it is easily absorbed through the skin and is very dangerous when vaporised in hot shower and subsequently inhaled.

I would like to get a reverse osmosis filter on my tap water to filter out fluoride and other crap as I really don't think it is necessary for tooth health when it is being drunk. On the contrary, fluoride in your toothpaste might actually be good for your teeth, as long as you don't swallow it.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on July 21, 2013
at 10:38 AM

+1 on the chlorine; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474325/ (Effects of chlorinated drinking water on human lipid metabolism.)

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on July 19, 2013
at 03:14 PM

Interesting. I wonder how one would distinguish between scam filter and good filter. I was entertaining reverse osmosis for the kitchen but I keep hearing that's "dead water", devoid of minerals, and it basically leaches minerals out of your body. I'm now just beginning learning about chlorine and I agree, that doesn't sound good to drink (especially with probiotics :-)

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on July 21, 2013
at 05:07 PM

So is swimming in a pool bad than?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19473)

on July 21, 2013
at 10:35 AM

I'd be worried about how much of that fluoride you'd absorb through your tongue and other tissues. The claim that it's good for teeth is very much a stretch. At best it makes teeth more brittle. Sorry, I'm not putting any neurotoxin in my mouth. I'd rather make my own toothpaste from coconut oil, baking soda, a teaspoon of mint extract oil, and a few drops of oregano oil. Doesn't taste good, but kills bacteria like a champ and makes my breath smell awesome. Incase you're not aware, there are sublingual vitamins, we absorb those and can absorb fluoride the same way.

4cef120270c742b7f0094b05c617636f

(181)

on July 23, 2013
at 11:14 AM

@raydawg: Nice idea on the tootphaste, might give it a go I don't know how much damage the fluoride in toothpaste would be doing (assuming you're not absorbing it by drinking water and through the skin as well). I'm assuming a low quantity would probably get absorbed in the grand scheme of things, not sure about other chemicals in the toothpaste though. Fluoride is a naturally occurring chemical after all and it might be OK in small amounts.

4cef120270c742b7f0094b05c617636f

(181)

on July 23, 2013
at 11:11 AM

I remember reading that the chlorine levels in public swimming pools are so bad that you shouldn't use them at all. I know someone that worked at a swimming pool in the area and he said they only change the water in the pool once every 6 - 12 months (25m indoor pool). They just keep adding more chlorine throughout the year to keep it 'clean'

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on July 21, 2013
at 10:22 AM

Showerhead filters won't remove fluoride, but they will remove chlorine, which pretty damaging in your shower, since as a gas, you'd breathe it in. So even there, it helps to have a shower filter.

I'm not sure how much fluoride we'd absorb through our skin, but it's probably harmful enough even without ingesting it.

You could a small reverse osmosis filter for under your kitchen sink, so at least your drinking water will be safe, they're fairly cheap (~$200), but not so easy to install, and require changing cartridges every 6 months.

There is one thing you should be eating which removes fluoride: tamarind. see: http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v56/n1/full/1601287a.html

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 21, 2013
at 03:29 AM

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on July 21, 2013
at 05:44 AM

Wonder what affect holy basil has on fluoride in the body when we eat it? Best add some kelp.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19473)

on July 21, 2013
at 10:24 AM

So, does tulsi have the same issue as green or black tea where it readily absorbs fluoride and consuming it is a bad idea?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on July 21, 2013
at 09:30 PM

I am testing it now.........in tea only form.

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on July 19, 2013
at 10:09 PM

Paul Chek said that reverse osmosis is without a doubt the best water filtering choice... super uber epensive though, but i do agree... i'm trying to find a decent/affordable shower filter for chlorine... i filter all my water with cheap brita even though it doesn't do a lot, better than nothing. and of course supplement like crazy and add a multimineral from jigsaw health to make sure i'm getting enough trace minerals :)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 21, 2013
at 03:28 AM

you can buy RO at walmart now dirt cheap.

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on April 26, 2016
at 02:59 PM

I second the Berkey.  I have the travel Berkey which is still large enough for 3-4 people. You can also buy the fluoride filters.  The water tastes great. The filters last a long time and are inexpensive to replace.  The container is stainless steel and I can see using it for decades.  Very easy to set up and prime the filters.

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on March 24, 2014
at 10:56 PM

Omica is the best shower filter on the market to reduce some of the fluoride that municipalities add to their water supplies. It has 7 stages of filtration, activated alumina being one of those stages that acts upon fluoride. It also has a copper vortex tube that restructures the water before it reaches the shower head to re-energize the water. One of the other elements of filtration is catalytic carbon that addresses chloramine; also zeolite, KDF, quartz crystals etc. The best deal I have found for this filter is at www.showerfilterstore.com, they have free shipping in the continental U.S.

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on February 16, 2014
at 03:05 PM

I will probably use an evoclear whole house water filter if I move to a house without water filtering where I can install it. Best and cheapest of all I know.

My convesation with them from new to old messages:

Yes,

We use the coconut shell carbon. It is NSF certified and has removal rates of about 98-99%. The carbon is by far the best we have found on the market. We de dust the carbon prior to shipment. Others will have the black water run for a few minutes to get the dust out, with ours it does not do that. We also use more carbon than most other systems, 1CF in our 12 GPM and 1.5 CF in 15 GPM If you have any questions let me know,
Thank you very much for your helpful explanations. Can you also help compare to what extent the filters remove contaminants ?
A couple things. Ours has a 5 Year 1,000,000 Gal guarantee. You can go 5-6 years before replacing it. Also with Aquasana you have to buy whole new tanks for the system $600-900. Ours you can reuse the tank and just add new carbon media for $145
Finally we have high grade Stainless Steel covers not just painted in blue like Aquasana. We have lifetime warranty on all tanks and valves. Also a 90 Day money back guarantee. The GPM or flow rate for water is different as well. Their is a 7GPM system and ours has 12 GPM for 1-4 Baths. So better flow no drop in water pressure in ours.
And lastly they don't tell you but unless a certified plumber installs the unit all warranties and guarantees are voided. It says it in fine print but ask them about it. For EvoClear it does not matter who installs the system.
Hope that is enough.
Thanks
Comment: Can you help me compare your products with Aquasana products ? Products seem similar and the one in the link for example seems more economic because it says 10 years filtration compared to 5 years in EvoClear: http://www.aquasana.com/product_detail.php?product_id=29&opt_pro=N

http://evoclear.com/

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on July 24, 2013
at 10:15 PM

While there are no shower filters currently on the market that will filter out fluoride, but there are still several methods of ensuring it is removed from the water coming from your shower. You can install a whole home water filter system with a fluoride filter, or a more expensive, but better quality water would be to install a whole home reverse osmosis system. Either way, all taps in your home would be chlorine and fluoride free with any of these methods.

Just to clarify about a response above about reverse osmosis, it will not leach minerals from the body, and if you ask a doctor, they would all recommend reverse osmosis, mine did.

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on July 21, 2013
at 04:01 AM

Don't go for reverse osmosis, it's ok and does get rid of fluoride but makes the water aggressive at leaching minerals (hypotrphic?) from your body to return to it's preferred/natural state. The remineralization tablets that are used for RO water were engineered for industrial use, like water in pipes etc. not in our body and there haven't been many tests on using them for human use.

http://www.berkeyfilters.com/

I've been on a +6 month quest for the best water filtration and this is by far the best drinking system. No plumbing, no electricity, cheapest over time and highest quality water standards. If you are looking for fluoride removal specifically, this brand will get rid of 95% and I wouldn't worry about much beyond that.

http://www.omicaorganics.com/store/omica-shower-filter.html

This is the only shower filter I've seen that advertises the removal of fluoride and it has gotten really solid reviews. It also takes care of chlorine and other contaminants to an extent. Zeolite is a really awesome mineral for water filtration and seems to be key in there process. Shop around for better prices on this!

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on July 21, 2013
at 10:28 AM

I have a small kitchen RO unit, there are no tablets. I add liquid minerals to my water. I have NEVER heard of water leeching minerals from your body. Yes, we lose some electrolites in sweat, but there's nothing special about RO water that would cause it to go beyond that.

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on July 19, 2013
at 07:55 PM

I think the only things that can remove fluoride are what are listed here: http://www.ehow.com/info_7987964_water-filters-fluoride.html

activated alumina reverse osmosis filter Distillation system

I don't know what this merchant is saying, when they say their shower head will "neutralize fluoride"

http://www.healthilluminationproducts.com/showerfilter

Total bunk.

So from what I've researched, you've kind of have to install a reverse osmosis system.

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on July 19, 2013
at 10:05 PM

BTW, this was the site that set off my BS meter. However, I don't think they are saying the copper ring removes fluoride, just that you should get their shower filter AND the copper ring for good karma and life force in your water. BS !

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