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Experiences with toothpaste substitutes?

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Created January 08, 2011 at 4:15 AM

After success with other more natural alternatives, I've become skeptical of many mass produced so called 'health' products. Considering that fluoride is a toxin, I haven't found any good research showing that applying it to my mouth is really shown to help anything, and that it's not natural, I've recently ditched fluoride. And I am not sure about glycerin, but my teeth definitely feel different when that is gone as well. All the so called 'natural' toothpastes I have seen seem to be loaded with tons of mysterious or crap ingredients and are expensive, so I've just been using cinnamon powder mixed with baking soda to good effect. According to my mother, in the 'old days' people just used baking soda. I added cinnamon because it is supposedly and antibiotic plus it vastly improves the taste. It might be my imagination but my teeth actually seem whiter and cleaner and my gums healthier. An added benefit is after I went camping and accidently forgot that my wet toothbrush was left ziplocked into a plastic baggy for 2 weeks, when I finally pulled it out, it was not all moldy like it always is if I do the same thing with a brush that had regular toothpaste on it. APparently, mold doesn't like cinnamon and baking soda that much! The only thing in the bag was a nice fresh cinnamon scent. Anyone else using any home brew concoctions instead of toothpaste and what have your experiences been?

A089b683ee0498f2b21b7edfa300e405

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on April 06, 2012
at 05:00 PM

:) No you dont see it come out, but if you join two fingers together after doing it you can feel the stickiness if you have a lot of plaque

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on April 05, 2012
at 05:18 PM

omg what? The visual that goes along with "squeezing out sticky plaque from beneath gums" is creeping me out. Do you actually see it come out?

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

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on April 05, 2012
at 01:09 PM

the foaming agent is usual a sodium lauryl sulfate or similar derivative. Toxic.

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on April 05, 2012
at 12:49 PM

I've just used plain baking soda, but I"m definitely adding cinnamon now! Great idea.

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on April 05, 2012
at 12:41 PM

Which form of cinnamon are you using? Will peppermint have the same effect? Thanks!!!

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on January 09, 2011
at 07:47 PM

nothing is wrong with just water, it is the mechanical motion of the toothbrush & floss that disrupt the colonies of plaque forming on the teeth. Toothpastes are a way to deliver medicaments and may increase brushing compliance by providing a 'fresh' feeling/taste.

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on January 09, 2011
at 02:39 PM

I didn't try the brushing with bos for longer than a week; I may experiment again in the future, however - as is always good to have a range of effective approaches.

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on January 09, 2011
at 10:53 AM

a can recommend birch twigs and other twigs, willow. just go for the wild plant. stop sticking to meat so much. paleo people also would go for plants if it would be good for them

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

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on January 09, 2011
at 05:16 AM

How long did you try for? I found the same thing but after a week (maybe less) my gums toughened up and no more bleeding. In fact one tooth that was slightly loose has now firmed up.

9bc6f3df8db981f67ea1465411958c8d

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on January 09, 2011
at 04:32 AM

It has been so long since I've had corn on the cob that I forgot about it getting stuck in between the teeth. I had to stop a minute and think about your comment to remember just how true that is.

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on January 09, 2011
at 04:14 AM

sorry, forgot to add that she suggests using toothpaste in very small amounts - the size of a grain of rice

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

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on January 09, 2011
at 01:36 AM

Part Two: When using the olive bar soap for teeth cleaning, I just run the brush along the bar of soap. No one else uses the bar. You can ask lots of soap questions at The Dish Forum. One must register to read and ask questions. It's a great forum. You can learn to make shampoo, laundry and dish soaps, lotion bars. It's quite enjoyable to do and frees one from shopping.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

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on January 09, 2011
at 01:34 AM

Hello, Eva and Jbone. I keep baking soda in a tiny, porcelain bowl and just dip my toothbrush in it. The olive oil or olive/castor oil soap tastes very mild. I don't know how to describe it. It tastes smooth. "The Dish Forum" is the best soapmaking forum on the web. There are folks there who sell tooth soaps, and they can help you learn to make soaps. http://www.thedishforum.com/forum/ Kathy Miller's website is a great introduction to soapmaking: http://www.millersoap.com/ Making your own soaps saves money and is so very much healthier than buying commercial products.

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on January 09, 2011
at 12:55 AM

It it important that fluoride be at the optimal level, which may include reducing the amount in some water supplies. There has been more attention lately to Fluorosis. Fluorosis is thought to be on the rise due to the fact that many food products (soda, juice, canned vegetables...) are processed with fluoridated water. Although, the increase use of bottled water has also an opposite affect, increasing caries rates. The American Dental Association's site has many articles available. Most Dentists are practicing 'Evidence Based Dentistry' and fluoride is clearly beneficial to those at risk.

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on January 09, 2011
at 12:33 AM

I use cinnamon powder instead of liquid, basically just that stuff sold as spice at the grocery store. The one down side is after brushing, there will be a few bits of cinnamon left on the teeth. But they seem to be gone by the time I leave the house. I always brush teeth before I shower and dress so that leaves plenty of time.

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on January 09, 2011
at 12:31 AM

Hehe, yeah, that IS one of the big probs with meat! However, when I used to eat corn, that was far far worse!

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on January 09, 2011
at 12:29 AM

Good point I would guess the antibiotic effects of some additives might be beneficial, but that's just a guess. However, cinnamon does make the brushing experience more pleasant, which in my book does count for something.

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on January 08, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Can you say more about your concern with flouride, marbowqui?

034c678bff434ab3781e3f1771018af9

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on January 08, 2011
at 06:02 PM

Can you describe what you do with it? Do you just put a little bit in a bowl with water and make a paste each time you brush your teeth?

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on January 08, 2011
at 04:43 PM

The research I looked at on flouride was contradictory. Some places with natural fluoride had better teeth but others had worse teeth. Seemed like it was a case of big pharma choosing only the data that supported the case it already wanted to make, ie that consuming a toxic waste product of industry is good for you.

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on January 08, 2011
at 04:41 PM

How does the soap stuff taste in the mouth?

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 08, 2011
at 04:39 PM

I like the taste of cinnamon, plus it's something most already have on hand.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 08, 2011
at 04:39 PM

Yeah, I was thinking of adding coconut oil, but wondered about the hardness too.

9e2180e7bfd688eb52d4f0c536172024

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on January 08, 2011
at 02:35 PM

I use a commercial toothpowder called Eco-Dent (Whole Foods carries it). It's mainly baking soda, sea salt and peppermint oil. I love it. Comes in a little flip-top bottle.

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on January 08, 2011
at 05:54 AM

juniper, miracal magical juniper*

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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at 05:29 AM

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/toothpaste/index.htm this was the neemoil -ash toothpaste i mentioned.

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on January 08, 2011
at 05:28 AM

i can give you some ideas eva. aleo vera juice, chlorrophyl plant powder like chlorella or wheatgras, ground oak bark, sage, mint, teatreeoil, willow, seasalt, sodium bicarbonat, i also heard about mouth rinse with xylit, a homemade toothpaste with ash and neem oil, good water is good,cloves, cardamon, tumeric is strong, garlic, there is also special tooth brushes which attract plaque, ionized. Look for nadine artemis. coconut oil. mabey it gives you some hints for your answers.

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0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

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on January 08, 2011
at 04:45 PM

After a lot of experimentation and tweeking, my favorite toothpaste recipe is:

  • 3T baking soda
  • 10 drops liquid stevia
  • 15 drops cinnamon oil
  • 15 drops peppermint oil

Stir it all together with a toothpick and store in a little tupperware container.

The peppermint/cinnamon/Stevia combo really helps to mask the salty BS taste. To me, it tastes a lot like Toms of Maine's cinnamint toothpaste (my former favorite). :)

I used to mix coconut oil into my recipe, but it hardens too much during the winter months, and makes getting toothpaste on my brush too difficult - so now I leave it out of the toothpaste recipe and just oil pull with the coconut oil.

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Fe6d4936810372189c6ee50d8a532ed2

on January 08, 2011
at 12:42 PM

As a Dentist, I can say those are all very good alternatives to commercial toothpastes. Just make sure you use a soft toothbrush and that what you use is not too abrasive. Because Paleo includes no processed carbs, those who follow that diet will be at a lower risk for tooth decay. Be aware that dried fruit is very cariogenic. Please remember that Fluoride is naturally occurring (in very large concentrations some places-hence its benefit discovered). I assume that most Paleo followers are probably enlightened/educated enough to purchase bottled water, if they chose. However, the vast majority of the population is not Paleo. Unfortunately, as processed carb consumption increases so does decay (& obesity). Keeping fluoride levels optimal (~1ppm) has and will continue to be a public health benefit. BTW- my town has to blend wells to lower the naturally occurring high levels of fluoride.

034c678bff434ab3781e3f1771018af9

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on January 08, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Can you say more about your concern with flouride, marbowqui?

Fe6d4936810372189c6ee50d8a532ed2

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on January 09, 2011
at 12:55 AM

It it important that fluoride be at the optimal level, which may include reducing the amount in some water supplies. There has been more attention lately to Fluorosis. Fluorosis is thought to be on the rise due to the fact that many food products (soda, juice, canned vegetables...) are processed with fluoridated water. Although, the increase use of bottled water has also an opposite affect, increasing caries rates. The American Dental Association's site has many articles available. Most Dentists are practicing 'Evidence Based Dentistry' and fluoride is clearly beneficial to those at risk.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on January 08, 2011
at 04:43 PM

The research I looked at on flouride was contradictory. Some places with natural fluoride had better teeth but others had worse teeth. Seemed like it was a case of big pharma choosing only the data that supported the case it already wanted to make, ie that consuming a toxic waste product of industry is good for you.

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A089b683ee0498f2b21b7edfa300e405

on January 08, 2011
at 10:53 AM

I use floss regularly, use a soft brush with water for places the floss cannot reach. What works really well is massaging my gums with my finger for a good 3 to 5 minutes covering all the gum surfaces, it squeezes out sticky plaque from between the gums and the teeth. Tongue cleaning, especially the rear portion is also a must - using the same soft brush.

A089b683ee0498f2b21b7edfa300e405

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on April 06, 2012
at 05:00 PM

:) No you dont see it come out, but if you join two fingers together after doing it you can feel the stickiness if you have a lot of plaque

Medium avatar

(2301)

on April 05, 2012
at 05:18 PM

omg what? The visual that goes along with "squeezing out sticky plaque from beneath gums" is creeping me out. Do you actually see it come out?

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D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

on January 08, 2011
at 11:09 AM

I use baking soda. Some use baking soda and salt.

Baking soda has been used for cleaning teeth for many generations. I know people in their 90s who have never used anything else. Many of the older people I knew as a child used baking soda for teeth cleaning.

Before toothpaste appeared in the stores, there were tooth powders. We used to get Pepsodent tooth powder in a nice tin. Those days are long gone.

I also sometimes use homemade soap to brush my teeth. I make 100% olive oil soap or olive and castor oil soap. It works well and is nice to use.

I use dental floss, as well.

9e2180e7bfd688eb52d4f0c536172024

(2004)

on January 08, 2011
at 02:35 PM

I use a commercial toothpowder called Eco-Dent (Whole Foods carries it). It's mainly baking soda, sea salt and peppermint oil. I love it. Comes in a little flip-top bottle.

034c678bff434ab3781e3f1771018af9

(279)

on January 08, 2011
at 06:02 PM

Can you describe what you do with it? Do you just put a little bit in a bowl with water and make a paste each time you brush your teeth?

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on January 08, 2011
at 04:41 PM

How does the soap stuff taste in the mouth?

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on January 09, 2011
at 01:34 AM

Hello, Eva and Jbone. I keep baking soda in a tiny, porcelain bowl and just dip my toothbrush in it. The olive oil or olive/castor oil soap tastes very mild. I don't know how to describe it. It tastes smooth. "The Dish Forum" is the best soapmaking forum on the web. There are folks there who sell tooth soaps, and they can help you learn to make soaps. http://www.thedishforum.com/forum/ Kathy Miller's website is a great introduction to soapmaking: http://www.millersoap.com/ Making your own soaps saves money and is so very much healthier than buying commercial products.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on January 09, 2011
at 01:36 AM

Part Two: When using the olive bar soap for teeth cleaning, I just run the brush along the bar of soap. No one else uses the bar. You can ask lots of soap questions at The Dish Forum. One must register to read and ask questions. It's a great forum. You can learn to make shampoo, laundry and dish soaps, lotion bars. It's quite enjoyable to do and frees one from shopping.

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9bc6f3df8db981f67ea1465411958c8d

on January 08, 2011
at 06:30 AM

I now brush only with coconut oil, but since I don't really eat any carbs right now my teeth never really feel like they need to be brushed. I floss way more often though because the meat that gets stuck in there.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on January 09, 2011
at 12:31 AM

Hehe, yeah, that IS one of the big probs with meat! However, when I used to eat corn, that was far far worse!

9bc6f3df8db981f67ea1465411958c8d

(3690)

on January 09, 2011
at 04:32 AM

It has been so long since I've had corn on the cob that I forgot about it getting stuck in between the teeth. I had to stop a minute and think about your comment to remember just how true that is.

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0784c9efb9972988ea28f1ba2c80d6d4

on January 08, 2011
at 05:52 AM

What would be wrong in brushing with just water?

Fe6d4936810372189c6ee50d8a532ed2

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on January 09, 2011
at 07:47 PM

nothing is wrong with just water, it is the mechanical motion of the toothbrush & floss that disrupt the colonies of plaque forming on the teeth. Toothpastes are a way to deliver medicaments and may increase brushing compliance by providing a 'fresh' feeling/taste.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on January 09, 2011
at 12:29 AM

Good point I would guess the antibiotic effects of some additives might be beneficial, but that's just a guess. However, cinnamon does make the brushing experience more pleasant, which in my book does count for something.

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on January 08, 2011
at 05:10 AM

I'm currently trying a paste I made from coconut oil, baking soda, and cinnamon... it's a bit cold in here causing it to be a tad hard, would work good in a tube... lol Feels great though...

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 08, 2011
at 04:39 PM

Yeah, I was thinking of adding coconut oil, but wondered about the hardness too.

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2ff04d4b3f8742f713ce909c9b7d1f31

on January 09, 2011
at 02:59 PM

Brush with a little bath soap. Its alkaline, ready at hand and doesn't taste too bad (you can try and find one that is to your liking.)

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2afe070b43de645b908b3cb1f4723811

on January 08, 2011
at 02:47 PM

I found brushing with bicarbonate of soda and other solutions was causing my gums to bleed a little, still, and -and I mentioned this in a previous thread comment- decided to try out cinnamon sticks (chewing until soft, then using my tongue and lip muscle to brush). Since then, my gums are looking better, my breath is fresher, and my teeth are cleaner.

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

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on January 09, 2011
at 05:16 AM

How long did you try for? I found the same thing but after a week (maybe less) my gums toughened up and no more bleeding. In fact one tooth that was slightly loose has now firmed up.

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on January 09, 2011
at 02:39 PM

I didn't try the brushing with bos for longer than a week; I may experiment again in the future, however - as is always good to have a range of effective approaches.

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on January 08, 2011
at 01:21 PM

I have made this from another website. It was good. A little too salty, so I will decrease the baking soda. Homemade toothpastes do not get foamy, so it takes a while to get used to it.

2 Tbs. coconut oil 3 Tbs. baking soda 6 TBS. Xylitol few drops peppermint essential oil (or spearmint oil and vanilla extract)

I am almost out, so I think that I will try cinnamon next time.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 09, 2011
at 12:33 AM

I use cinnamon powder instead of liquid, basically just that stuff sold as spice at the grocery store. The one down side is after brushing, there will be a few bits of cinnamon left on the teeth. But they seem to be gone by the time I leave the house. I always brush teeth before I shower and dress so that leaves plenty of time.

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

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on April 05, 2012
at 01:09 PM

the foaming agent is usual a sodium lauryl sulfate or similar derivative. Toxic.

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on January 08, 2011
at 04:37 AM

Cinnamon sounds interesting! We use baking soda, mixed with peroxide. We have a small bottle that we keep the peroxide in and add 2-3 drops of peppermint essential oil). I've heard of some people using tea tree oil. Depending on how much liquid we add, it can be pasty or pretty runny. We have a small dish into which we dispense 1 tsp of BS, then a dropper or two of the peroxide mixture. It's been working very well for us for over a year. I'm interested in reading what others are doing.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 08, 2011
at 04:39 PM

I like the taste of cinnamon, plus it's something most already have on hand.

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on January 13, 2013
at 02:34 AM

Daniel Vitalis has some good advice on daily dental care: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CqR8UmAvZQ

Our family has been using this advice for many years (well before Daniel put the video out) with no dental problems so far. After flossing, the inexpensive extremely fine bentonite clay home made toothpaste is not abrasive like baking soda. Swishing with coconut oil after brushing and rinsing helps.

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on August 23, 2012
at 03:46 PM

And make sure you buy the real cinnamon it will be more effective...you can get some in this website http://www.regenerativenutrition.com

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on August 23, 2012
at 03:43 PM

You can buy real mint and stick some in your toothbrush then you brush your teeth, and if you want to have a fresh breath throughout the day you can also buy cinnamon powder and brush your teeth with it.

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on April 05, 2012
at 05:06 PM

I tried a baking soda-based powder for a while; while it was great for my teeth, it irritated my gums and the skin around my mouth and caused me to break out. I looked into tooth soap and found it was pretty expensive (for 2-4 ingredients I already had on-hand), so I figured, why not make my own?

My current creation contains: 2 tbs. Coconut oil, 1 tsp. olive oil, Himalayan sea salt, a drop of tea tree oil, a couple drops of trace mineral concentrate, and calcium bentonite clay. If left out, it will be liquid, but in order to keep the oils from going rancid, I put it in the fridge. When it solidifies, I cut it into chunks that I can pop into my mouth and voila, instant tooth-cleaning goodness!

I alternate between that and brushing with Peelu fibers (http://www.peelu.com/about-us.html) followed up with hydrogen peroxide.

I've noticed my teeth are exceptionally clean and hardly ever feel dirty. They are also whitening quite nicely and the trace mineral drops are helping reverse the minor fluorosis I have on my top two front teeth.

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on April 05, 2012
at 12:47 PM

I buy a bottle of glycerin, dump it in a container, and mix in enough baking soda to make it a very thick paste. Lasts about a year. I've been doing this since 2009 with no problem, though I have to make sure to use a soft toothbrush otherwise it gets a little rough on the gums. I haven't found the need for a flavoring agent but some peppermint oil would be nice in it.

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on April 05, 2012
at 11:57 AM

I have been using cinnamon and baking soda to brush with for a week and my teeth feel so clean, are whiter, my gums don't bleed anymore when I floss and I actually DON'T have horrible morning breath anymore. I will never go back to store bought toothpaste!

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on April 05, 2012
at 12:41 PM

Which form of cinnamon are you using? Will peppermint have the same effect? Thanks!!!

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on May 16, 2011
at 06:38 AM

I've tried coconut oil- too greasy overall

Baking soda-still use it but it seems too harsh to use everyday.

Added cinnamon to it but my toothbrush looked so dirty and it wouldn't rinse out:(

Other assorted tooth powders from the health food store are now relegated to my earthquake kit because they tasted so bad.

Finally one day, in desperation I tried some Dr Bronners peppermint soap on my toothbrush. Surprisingly it didn't taste strongly alkaline but fresh and minty. I really like the lather it makes. It reminds me of the regular toothpaste I used to use. It's pretty cheap and I don't have to make it. I do dilute it in a smaller bottle though. I didn't try it undiluted, it might be too strong then.

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on January 09, 2011
at 04:09 AM

http://askdrellie.blogspot.com/search?q=baking+soda+gums

this dentist's program is not particularly paleo, but very informative. She feels that baking soda eventually causes or exascerbates gum recession. she would approve of chewing on birch twigs, so perhaps she is open to paleo notions...

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on January 09, 2011
at 04:14 AM

sorry, forgot to add that she suggests using toothpaste in very small amounts - the size of a grain of rice

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on January 09, 2011
at 10:53 AM

a can recommend birch twigs and other twigs, willow. just go for the wild plant. stop sticking to meat so much. paleo people also would go for plants if it would be good for them

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on January 08, 2011
at 02:15 PM

hey, these are awesome substitutes for toothpaste! very inspiring!

Cara http://primroseandpaleo.wordpress.com

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