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Flu shot or no flu shot?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created September 01, 2011 at 7:09 PM

My company offers free flu shots every year. I've not been sick with even a sniffle in over 2 yrs. What are your opinions? Should I bother? I've been getting one every year so far.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on February 03, 2012
at 04:03 PM

this is probably quite true. i used to get strep throat multiple times a year up until i was in my teens. i'm sure each time it was a new variaton of the bacteria, but at age 50 i can count the number of times i have needed antibiotics in the past 30 years on one hand. oddly, one of my sons has experienced the exact same pattern of infection.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on February 03, 2012
at 04:00 PM

Less formaldehyde than the ounce your body produces in one day, less mercury (ethyl versus methyl, look it up) than 2 Tbsp of salmon (plus they've removed mercury from most vaccines because of the psycho mercury moms that can't tell the difference between autism and mercury poisoning in their own children). People who make vaccines give these shots to themselves and their children. It is not worth very much to big pharma because development costs are ENORMOUS for a vaccine.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on February 03, 2012
at 03:56 PM

The "robust" thing is a little misleading- attacking your immune system via virus will produce antibodies, but not with efficiency of the viral components of a vaccine or multiple viral components of a flu vaccine. Your immune systems "robust"-ness is only towards one strain, not any of the other strains that would have been present in the flu vaccine.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on February 03, 2012
at 03:53 PM

Actually, by not getting shots, you are "concocting" new strands of flu- having exposure to multiple viruses and one time and not having the antibodies to fight them (particularly likely if you work with lots of people or animals) allows intracellular replication of the viruses at the same time. Even if you don't get sick, every time that happens there is a chance for mutation, and you will pass it on to the next person. This is actually particularly important for animal-human transmission, the source of all the major "super bug" outbreaks (think bird, swine, Spanish etc).

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on February 03, 2012
at 03:51 PM

Actually, they are worth almost no money pharma, vaccines are pennies in a jar to them. The fiscal incentive is extremely low, because developing vaccines in the first place is astronomically expensive.

Af80c0860122f4a8d339bf9d26cb957a

(5)

on October 08, 2011
at 02:51 AM

I'm in the same boat and get a flu shot every year. I travel, work with a large variety of people in large offices, and cannot afford to miss a beat. I take supplements, wash hands, etc... year-round. When the winter hits, it's sort of a belt-and-suspenders approach, I guess.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2011
at 09:36 PM

I don't understand that either. Here's more to back that up - http://content.eaglepub.com/?larapcW5.P-svzRebOM1UUMlsuhsANgRl

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

(5801)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:29 PM

According to the CDC the flu shot contains thimerosal (mercury disinfectant), ethylene glycol, formaldehyde, aluminum, and "anti-biotics" to prevent infection from the shot.

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

(5801)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Why was this downvoted. Other than the cheese comment, it pretty much mirrors every other comment.

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

(5801)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:24 PM

Some diseases that are mild for the mother are devastating for the unborn child. As to the flu, I have no idea if this is the case.

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on October 07, 2011
at 06:03 PM

I can't make recommendations, but I don't see why being pregnant should be a reason to get a flu shot. Does your immune system change that much just because you happen to be pregnant?

Aa69579f867333b08158c70e25f7daf1

(1826)

on October 07, 2011
at 05:58 PM

This will always be a question that is hotly debated within this community. It comes down to what your view on vaccines is: are you concerned with individual protection or POPULATION-wide protection? I think, unfortunately, many folks that are paleo forget that vaccines aren't just all about them - they are about the greater good for the greatest amount of people possible.

76c885d7d27e6c83542ea493ca866dcd

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on September 04, 2011
at 04:08 PM

why the downvotes? am i wrong? http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller27.html

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on September 03, 2011
at 12:27 PM

Thanks, Sage. I've been wondering what actually happens to folks when they don't get a flu shot and do get flu. I'm not sure what I will do this year, but didn't get shot last year.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on September 03, 2011
at 01:25 AM

Really? Depopulation? Elite, please.

B58511bcd1ecc0dd4ad8130859513c81

(430)

on September 02, 2011
at 04:05 PM

@aaa, Sell out! lol

1bc18852894dad9d6dddfb3dfed49ab3

(341)

on September 02, 2011
at 03:00 PM

This is so true, I've heard many people get very sick from various vaccines. My wife got very bad reaction to Hep B.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on September 02, 2011
at 02:33 PM

How ironic :) By the way I think it takes more like a couple of weeks to develop a protective response after vaccination.

1bc18852894dad9d6dddfb3dfed49ab3

(341)

on September 02, 2011
at 02:08 PM

The shot is not directly into veins but it is true there is a lot of chemical soup in there.

1bc18852894dad9d6dddfb3dfed49ab3

(341)

on September 02, 2011
at 02:06 PM

Please give me a million bucks. I'll take a shot, even two.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

(3209)

on September 02, 2011
at 01:02 PM

My immune system is fantastic. I've not even had a sniffle in two years or more.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on September 02, 2011
at 12:14 PM

I read your post you linked and all of the included citations before asking. None of them concerned vitamin D and influenza. That is why I asked.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on September 02, 2011
at 12:14 PM

I read your the post you linked and all of the included citations before asking. None of them concerned vitamin D and influenza. That is why I asked.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on September 02, 2011
at 11:33 AM

Plenty....go read the cites. If you had you would not have asked

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on September 01, 2011
at 11:15 PM

"If your vitamin D is at least 60 ng by October 15 you can avoid it" Do you have any evidence for this statement?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on September 01, 2011
at 11:14 PM

Do you have any evidence for this statement?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on September 01, 2011
at 09:10 PM

after 18-24 months I have found patients daily requirement to stay optimal drop.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on September 01, 2011
at 08:18 PM

Worth getting tested. I was at 91 ng/ml after 18 months of supplementing 8,000 IUs and so I was able to cut back to 6,000 IUs and maintain sufficiency.

41e79168f1df5d656b6c4f3fef8c9b46

(630)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:57 PM

i also agree with this statement!!!

41e79168f1df5d656b6c4f3fef8c9b46

(630)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:57 PM

i concur with your thoughts!

1bc18852894dad9d6dddfb3dfed49ab3

(341)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:56 PM

I have not verified it but the doc said statistically the same number of people who get flu shot die from flu as those who did not get flu shot. Statistically it does not provide any benefits.

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

(3209)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:30 PM

I'm going to go without this year I do believe!

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

(3209)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:21 PM

I'm not sure what my levels are, but I take 10000iu a day, so I should be in good shape!

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:18 PM

I haven' been sick with ANY virus in almost 2 years, thanks to being Vitamin D sufficient.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:16 PM

If your vitamin D is at least 60 ng by October 15 you can avoid it. (Northern Hemisphere)

http://jackkruse.com/the-sunshine-of-your-life/

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

(3209)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:21 PM

I'm not sure what my levels are, but I take 10000iu a day, so I should be in good shape!

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on September 01, 2011
at 11:15 PM

"If your vitamin D is at least 60 ng by October 15 you can avoid it" Do you have any evidence for this statement?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on September 02, 2011
at 12:14 PM

I read your the post you linked and all of the included citations before asking. None of them concerned vitamin D and influenza. That is why I asked.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on September 01, 2011
at 11:14 PM

Do you have any evidence for this statement?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on September 01, 2011
at 09:10 PM

after 18-24 months I have found patients daily requirement to stay optimal drop.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on September 01, 2011
at 08:18 PM

Worth getting tested. I was at 91 ng/ml after 18 months of supplementing 8,000 IUs and so I was able to cut back to 6,000 IUs and maintain sufficiency.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on September 02, 2011
at 11:33 AM

Plenty....go read the cites. If you had you would not have asked

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on September 02, 2011
at 12:14 PM

I read your post you linked and all of the included citations before asking. None of them concerned vitamin D and influenza. That is why I asked.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:18 PM

I haven' been sick with ANY virus in almost 2 years, thanks to being Vitamin D sufficient.

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90f9e1827827d90c026bb00c2bfab088

(212)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:22 PM

Don't do it! Flu shots are one of the biggest scams perpetuated by CDC/Big Pharma.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on February 03, 2012
at 03:51 PM

Actually, they are worth almost no money pharma, vaccines are pennies in a jar to them. The fiscal incentive is extremely low, because developing vaccines in the first place is astronomically expensive.

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on September 01, 2011
at 07:50 PM

I get a flu shot every year. I can't afford even the possibility of being out of work for 7-10 days because of the flu. I have a lot of public contact and although I am obsessive about washing my hand I like the idea of the shot as extra protection. While I supplement D with massive amount I am still low. I should also say that I'm not anti-vaccine or even anti-big pharma in a general sense.

Af80c0860122f4a8d339bf9d26cb957a

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on October 08, 2011
at 02:51 AM

I'm in the same boat and get a flu shot every year. I travel, work with a large variety of people in large offices, and cannot afford to miss a beat. I take supplements, wash hands, etc... year-round. When the winter hits, it's sort of a belt-and-suspenders approach, I guess.

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Af9537cfa50562b67979624e9007e12a

(1334)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:48 PM

I agree with the others, 1. big scam by Big Pharma 2. I double up on "D" thru the winter, I pretty much never get sick.

41e79168f1df5d656b6c4f3fef8c9b46

(630)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:57 PM

i concur with your thoughts!

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E7a462d6e99fec7e8f0ddda11b34a770

(1638)

on September 02, 2011
at 02:07 PM

This is one of those perpetual hot-button issues that people can become very emotionally attached to their own point of view and something you will need to decide for yourself. You can also search for basically this same discussion started Sept. 17 last year and I would imagine we will see it again next year (grin). In any case, I am going to cut/paste my previous answer here because I don't feel like typing it out again:

FWIW - been supplementing Vitamin D for 2yrs and my last level was over 50 somewhere so I'm good. Got the H1N1 shot last year but my doc says I must have been exposed w/in the week before (you need couple of days for full immunity). Following week I was COMPLETELY bed-ridden for 5 full days and totally whipped for another month. Haven't been THAT sick since the last swine flu in the '80's. And no, it wasn't the shot that gave it to me because my husband got his same day w/no problems AND he didn't catch anything from me since HIS shot kicked in before I got sick. So, I'm gettin' mine fo' sure. ??? JCB Sep 17 at 20:56 One addition for emphasis - my NON-paleo, wheat-eating, husband who got a flu shot too took care of me and my full-blown case for 5 solid days and DID NOT get sick. I guess that's what they call "anecdotal evidence"? ??? JCB Sep 17 at 21:03

For more Paleo hacks: http://paleohacks.com/questions/10492/are-flu-shots-necessary-if-living-paleo#ixzz1Wnt3qcSO

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on September 02, 2011
at 02:33 PM

How ironic :) By the way I think it takes more like a couple of weeks to develop a protective response after vaccination.

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41e79168f1df5d656b6c4f3fef8c9b46

(630)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:56 PM

Dont do it! Who knows that they put in them and there are no long term studies done to see the long term effects- cancer and such with all the "new" strands of the flu they are concocting.... If you have a normal healthly immune system with no other underlying complications you should have NO reason at all why you can't fight the normal flu bug. I too work in the health field and do not get one. IT's all a sham!!! (lol)

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on February 03, 2012
at 03:53 PM

Actually, by not getting shots, you are "concocting" new strands of flu- having exposure to multiple viruses and one time and not having the antibodies to fight them (particularly likely if you work with lots of people or animals) allows intracellular replication of the viruses at the same time. Even if you don't get sick, every time that happens there is a chance for mutation, and you will pass it on to the next person. This is actually particularly important for animal-human transmission, the source of all the major "super bug" outbreaks (think bird, swine, Spanish etc).

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B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on September 03, 2011
at 12:19 AM

i never get the flu shot and never intend to. two years ago i got infected with H1N1. my immune system handled it and is now more robust from exposure.

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on September 03, 2011
at 12:27 PM

Thanks, Sage. I've been wondering what actually happens to folks when they don't get a flu shot and do get flu. I'm not sure what I will do this year, but didn't get shot last year.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on February 03, 2012
at 03:56 PM

The "robust" thing is a little misleading- attacking your immune system via virus will produce antibodies, but not with efficiency of the viral components of a vaccine or multiple viral components of a flu vaccine. Your immune systems "robust"-ness is only towards one strain, not any of the other strains that would have been present in the flu vaccine.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on February 03, 2012
at 04:03 PM

this is probably quite true. i used to get strep throat multiple times a year up until i was in my teens. i'm sure each time it was a new variaton of the bacteria, but at age 50 i can count the number of times i have needed antibiotics in the past 30 years on one hand. oddly, one of my sons has experienced the exact same pattern of infection.

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0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

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on October 07, 2011
at 11:35 PM

I don't do flu shots myself, and I haven't had the flu since my freshman year of college (15 years ago). Anecdotally, my mom dutifully got her flu shot a month ago, and last week, came down with a nasty case of it. I think I'll stay the course.

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3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

on October 07, 2011
at 10:22 PM

I have been taking flu shots regularly in Fall for more than 10 years. I started taking Vit D less than 3Y ago, and my D level prior to supplementation was in the teens.

Sometimes I take it in early Fall and take another one in early/late December, when vaccines are updated. Soemtimes I even take additional shots in Canada while traveling where the vaccines are different than those made in the U.S.

Result: I caught a bad cold only once in the last 10 years, and that was the year when the vaccine had not been updated for the most common flu strain that was circulating.

So flu vaccines can and do work for many people. Whethere you're protected because your D-3 is high? Not sure. But I'm not taking the chance of not being protected. I think one of the reasons why our life expectancy is so high even though our diet is so terrible, is due to childhood immunization.

But never an influenza vaccine, just a flu vaccine. I don't think you need an influenza vaccine.

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C2450eb7fa11b37473599caf93b461ef

on October 07, 2011
at 09:14 PM

The only year I ever had a flu shot, I got the flu. Just my n=1.

Two winters ago, I was pregnant and was really committed to not getting sick. But, I'm a public high school teacher. I mega-dosed Vit D all winter and did copious hand washing. I was healthier than I'd ever been.

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Ea776df66c8277321b167e2ee3f22574

on October 07, 2011
at 05:44 PM

Would you recommend that (Paleo and healthy) pregnant women get the flu shot?

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on October 07, 2011
at 06:03 PM

I can't make recommendations, but I don't see why being pregnant should be a reason to get a flu shot. Does your immune system change that much just because you happen to be pregnant?

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

(5801)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:24 PM

Some diseases that are mild for the mother are devastating for the unborn child. As to the flu, I have no idea if this is the case.

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0e2772604bdb3627525b42d77340538b

on September 02, 2011
at 02:26 PM

No, but then I rarely get sick with colds or flu.

Vaccines generally don't agree with me (most recently - Tetanus/Pertussis took me out of commission for a couple of days) anyway. Based on my past history, there's more likelihood of me getting sick from the vaccine than from the actual flu. YMMV.

1bc18852894dad9d6dddfb3dfed49ab3

(341)

on September 02, 2011
at 03:00 PM

This is so true, I've heard many people get very sick from various vaccines. My wife got very bad reaction to Hep B.

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B58511bcd1ecc0dd4ad8130859513c81

on September 01, 2011
at 07:57 PM

You could not PAY ME to take a flu shot. Not even a million bucks!

B58511bcd1ecc0dd4ad8130859513c81

(430)

on September 02, 2011
at 04:05 PM

@aaa, Sell out! lol

1bc18852894dad9d6dddfb3dfed49ab3

(341)

on September 02, 2011
at 02:06 PM

Please give me a million bucks. I'll take a shot, even two.

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3ec82663c71ecbd1db95f17a1eb4f982

on October 07, 2011
at 06:31 PM

Just say "NO!"

My personal reasons are: * It's crap shoot if it will work or not. The virus mutates all the time. * I don't need extra poison in me especially on purpose. * This year's shot has more of the recycled H1N1 from back a couple years. I do recycle but not that way.... * Staying healthy is a concern of mine; it pays to make the effort all times of the year. It's not just for winter. Stay away from coughing, sneezing people if possible, wash your hands frequently, and don't touch your face (eyes, nose, mouth) to keep germs out. * I figure I come in contact with enough germs that my own immune system is reasonably okay. (work in a very large office building, work in the garden, care for cats--all places to find germs) * It's given at no charge in many places. Just how good is something free from the gov't? as good as their cheese?

If someone believes they really need it and it helps them, then go for it. A person's mindset does influence their body. I have no problem turning it down even though I fit several categories recommended for getting this thing.

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

(5801)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Why was this downvoted. Other than the cheese comment, it pretty much mirrors every other comment.

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F46d472ee4e097afd7e0081ed6f6ab21

on September 01, 2011
at 09:14 PM

What kind of immune system integrity do you have???

My general philosophy on the flu is that if you have immune system that knows what to do, it shouldn't be that much of a problem, but that doesn't always help if it's a particularly bad strain going around. Which is another point, getting the flu shot doesn't not guarantee protection against the flu. THe strains of the vaccine they make are predicted well in advance of the flu season in order to allow for the lead time of production. Sometimes the predictions are right, sometimes they are wrong.

Good idea test Vitamin D levels. Some people have a weird variation, where instead of taking Vitamin D3 and seeing levels of 25 OH Vitamin D go up, we see the levels of 1,25 OH Vitamin D3 go up, a precursor to 25 OH D3 (the active form). In these folks, D3 supplementation is fairly useless. My point to you is though, just to make sure your D3 levels are high, there is a chance that they may not be as high as you think they are...

6229cd9a7ca9882590259fae022e2647

(3209)

on September 02, 2011
at 01:02 PM

My immune system is fantastic. I've not even had a sniffle in two years or more.

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76c885d7d27e6c83542ea493ca866dcd

(2178)

on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

Definitely abstain! Have them pump mercury, formaldehyde, and who knows what else into your veins??? No thanks!

1bc18852894dad9d6dddfb3dfed49ab3

(341)

on September 02, 2011
at 02:08 PM

The shot is not directly into veins but it is true there is a lot of chemical soup in there.

76c885d7d27e6c83542ea493ca866dcd

(2178)

on September 04, 2011
at 04:08 PM

why the downvotes? am i wrong? http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller27.html

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

(5801)

on October 07, 2011
at 07:29 PM

According to the CDC the flu shot contains thimerosal (mercury disinfectant), ethylene glycol, formaldehyde, aluminum, and "anti-biotics" to prevent infection from the shot.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2011
at 09:36 PM

I don't understand that either. Here's more to back that up - http://content.eaglepub.com/?larapcW5.P-svzRebOM1UUMlsuhsANgRl

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on February 03, 2012
at 04:00 PM

Less formaldehyde than the ounce your body produces in one day, less mercury (ethyl versus methyl, look it up) than 2 Tbsp of salmon (plus they've removed mercury from most vaccines because of the psycho mercury moms that can't tell the difference between autism and mercury poisoning in their own children). People who make vaccines give these shots to themselves and their children. It is not worth very much to big pharma because development costs are ENORMOUS for a vaccine.

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0dccd5cecfbb8a934d39689b11a66a45

on September 01, 2011
at 07:47 PM

Flu shots are good for depopulation & that is good for saving the earth (for the elite)

41e79168f1df5d656b6c4f3fef8c9b46

(630)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:57 PM

i also agree with this statement!!!

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on September 03, 2011
at 01:25 AM

Really? Depopulation? Elite, please.

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