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What fish is ideal?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 03, 2011 at 8:37 PM

Hi, I have been on a special diet that is very close to Paleo, but not exactly Paleo. I would describe it as "a very strict paleo". The reason why I am following this diet is because I only eat what my stomach can handle. If my stomach gives me troubles after eating a particular type of food, I stop eating it. I am gluten and lactose intolerant, my body cannot digest grains, legumes, sweet fruits and nuts.

I am currently looking for a source of fat, but NOT OIL, NOT PORK FAT, NOT AVOCADO, NOT NUTS (I have tried them all, including the coconut oil, and my body rejects them).

I was thinking about fish. But salmon (my favorite fish) contains dangerously high levels of PCBs. To find wild salmon is almost impossible where I live. Tuna is high in mercury. I have tried eating canned sardines and I get really sick after eating anything out of a can.

Any other suggestions? What is your favorite environmentally friendly and easy to find fish? Any good alternative sources of fat you could recommend considering my allergies?

Thanks in advance!

C2450eb7fa11b37473599caf93b461ef

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on November 04, 2011
at 11:25 PM

I'm not sure what would work where you are. I just did a google search on "ship wild alaskan salmon." Hope you can find something that isn't ridiculous! (Would you be better off eating cured salmon? Wondering if it would ship more inexpensively.)

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 04, 2011
at 10:18 AM

Okay, I will try :)

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 04, 2011
at 10:17 AM

Thanks for recommendation, but I am not going to try - I have tried olive oil, avocado and avocado oil, almonds and almond oil, sesame seeds and sesame seed oil, coconut and coconut oil, sunflower seeds and oil (the list may go on and on) and my stomach does not take it well. So no more oils for me, period.

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on November 04, 2011
at 03:06 AM

rafi: Check out this thread: http://paleohacks.com/questions/66467/do-fish-oil-megadoses-increase-the-risk-of-heart-disease#axzz1chZIUqr4

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on November 04, 2011
at 03:05 AM

When you're trying to get leaner, then they have enough essential fatty acids. We only need these in trace amounts. The fat we've stored over time is the same as the fat we eat. It's floating around your bloodstream bound to albumin as we type. As such, it doesn't make sense to eat more fat than those EFAs unless you're losing more bodyfat than you want, at which point you want to restock those fat cells with saturated fat from meat and create a stasis. If you want to maintain, just eat fattier cuts of meat with the yolks.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 04, 2011
at 03:04 AM

I mean websites that send Alaskan salmon by FedEx?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 04, 2011
at 03:04 AM

Oysters are expensive. Herring is salted, and my body does not agree with salted things. Sardines come in a can - my body does not like canned food either. But thanks for your suggestions :)

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 04, 2011
at 03:02 AM

I can receive FedEx but it will probably cost me an arm and a leg shipping salmon all the way from Alaska (I live in Europe). Can you recommend any websites?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 04, 2011
at 03:01 AM

Duck fat did not work (had stomach issues) but I will try mackerel for sure - if I find something fresh.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 04, 2011
at 03:00 AM

I am okay with eggs, but will eggs provide enough fat in my diet since I tend to eat lean meat?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 04, 2011
at 02:57 AM

Rejects means I do not feel good after eating them. Not diarrhea, but bloating, and my stomach feels uncomfortable. The only things that I eat that do not cause me any problems are steamed or boiled vegetables and boiled/steamed meat/chicken/fish. Everything else irritates my stomach.

15e684f6f716f88c99f641098a6e06ca

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on November 04, 2011
at 02:39 AM

Travis, do you have any references regarding at what point PUFA consumption becomes a problem? I've been eating a lot more fish/seafood lately and just want to make sure I'm not overdoing it.

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on November 03, 2011
at 10:45 PM

I generally add 1 yolk to each meal, otherwise it's kinda gross.

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on November 03, 2011
at 10:29 PM

Should one have a yolk meal and a meat meal or have meat and yolk at same meal?

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on November 03, 2011
at 10:28 PM

Typing on cell phone

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on November 03, 2011
at 10:27 PM

Should one have a yolk meal and a meat meal or keep them as seperste

C2450eb7fa11b37473599caf93b461ef

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on November 03, 2011
at 10:08 PM

If I'm in a hard-boiling phase, I'll do about 3 days' worth at a time.

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on November 03, 2011
at 10:03 PM

what do you mean by "rejects"? diarrhea? have you tried increasing your intake of fat gradually?

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on November 03, 2011
at 09:49 PM

I do a dozen at a time, but it doesn't last me long since the pup gets yolks on his food as well.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on November 03, 2011
at 08:55 PM

Hard-boil in batches or fresh each day?

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on November 03, 2011
at 08:43 PM

VC, sounds like we have some of the same tummy issues. If you do try this egg thing, you might want to look for eggs that are NOT vegetarian fed, as that is usually soy. (Which is why I thought I was allergic to eggs for so long)

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13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

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on November 03, 2011
at 09:38 PM

Mackerel is another fatty fish that is commonly available. As for other sources of fat, you could try tallow, chicken or duck fat, and/or ghee (yes, it's dairy, but the solids are removed and many who cannot tolerate dairy are fine with ghee).

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on November 04, 2011
at 03:01 AM

Duck fat did not work (had stomach issues) but I will try mackerel for sure - if I find something fresh.

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on November 04, 2011
at 04:00 AM

Traditional Scandinavian preparation of white fish (usually cod but halibut, turbot, flounder, bass or sole would work too) is poached or baked, then topped with melted butter or bacon grease. White fish is almost fat free by itself, and topping with fat makes it taste much better. Another thought on a salmon substitute is trout or char.

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2b2c2e4aa87e9aa4c99cae48e980f70d

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on November 04, 2011
at 01:48 AM

Herring, comes in jars. Sardines, oysters. Crab meat.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on November 04, 2011
at 03:04 AM

Oysters are expensive. Herring is salted, and my body does not agree with salted things. Sardines come in a can - my body does not like canned food either. But thanks for your suggestions :)

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C2450eb7fa11b37473599caf93b461ef

on November 03, 2011
at 10:08 PM

Just out of curiosity--can you receive FedEx? If you can, you should be able to get wild Alaskan salmon shipped to you.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on November 04, 2011
at 03:02 AM

I can receive FedEx but it will probably cost me an arm and a leg shipping salmon all the way from Alaska (I live in Europe). Can you recommend any websites?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on November 04, 2011
at 03:04 AM

I mean websites that send Alaskan salmon by FedEx?

C2450eb7fa11b37473599caf93b461ef

(3225)

on November 04, 2011
at 11:25 PM

I'm not sure what would work where you are. I just did a google search on "ship wild alaskan salmon." Hope you can find something that isn't ridiculous! (Would you be better off eating cured salmon? Wondering if it would ship more inexpensively.)

1
Medium avatar

on November 03, 2011
at 08:41 PM

You're probably not going to want to get the majority of your dietary fat from polyunsaturated sources. In short, in large amounts they negatively affect the form and function of cell membranes throughout the body.

That said, I would personally recommend that you try getting fat from egg yolks (not the white, just the yolk). If they are of respectable provenance (pastured) they have substantial amounts of all the EFAs, fat soluble vitamins and plenty of healthy cholesterol. I recommend hard-boiling them and pitching the shell and white and just eating the yolk. If you want more fat than that, just don't trim your steaks or choose fattier cuts.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on November 04, 2011
at 03:00 AM

I am okay with eggs, but will eggs provide enough fat in my diet since I tend to eat lean meat?

C2450eb7fa11b37473599caf93b461ef

(3225)

on November 03, 2011
at 10:08 PM

If I'm in a hard-boiling phase, I'll do about 3 days' worth at a time.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on November 03, 2011
at 10:29 PM

Should one have a yolk meal and a meat meal or have meat and yolk at same meal?

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on November 03, 2011
at 08:55 PM

Hard-boil in batches or fresh each day?

Medium avatar

(39821)

on November 03, 2011
at 09:49 PM

I do a dozen at a time, but it doesn't last me long since the pup gets yolks on his food as well.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on November 04, 2011
at 03:05 AM

When you're trying to get leaner, then they have enough essential fatty acids. We only need these in trace amounts. The fat we've stored over time is the same as the fat we eat. It's floating around your bloodstream bound to albumin as we type. As such, it doesn't make sense to eat more fat than those EFAs unless you're losing more bodyfat than you want, at which point you want to restock those fat cells with saturated fat from meat and create a stasis. If you want to maintain, just eat fattier cuts of meat with the yolks.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on November 03, 2011
at 10:28 PM

Typing on cell phone

Medium avatar

(39821)

on November 03, 2011
at 10:45 PM

I generally add 1 yolk to each meal, otherwise it's kinda gross.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on November 04, 2011
at 03:06 AM

rafi: Check out this thread: http://paleohacks.com/questions/66467/do-fish-oil-megadoses-increase-the-risk-of-heart-disease#axzz1chZIUqr4

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on November 03, 2011
at 10:27 PM

Should one have a yolk meal and a meat meal or keep them as seperste

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on November 03, 2011
at 08:43 PM

VC, sounds like we have some of the same tummy issues. If you do try this egg thing, you might want to look for eggs that are NOT vegetarian fed, as that is usually soy. (Which is why I thought I was allergic to eggs for so long)

15e684f6f716f88c99f641098a6e06ca

(922)

on November 04, 2011
at 02:39 AM

Travis, do you have any references regarding at what point PUFA consumption becomes a problem? I've been eating a lot more fish/seafood lately and just want to make sure I'm not overdoing it.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 04, 2011
at 04:51 AM

a great clean fish which is even higher in omegas than salmon is mullet - it's a vegetarian so no top of food chain heavy metals - try New Zealand or australian mullet if possible - for less pollution

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 04, 2011
at 10:18 AM

Okay, I will try :)

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 04, 2011
at 04:48 AM

try - sacha inchi oil it's technically a seed although called a nut - but has some pretty outstanding characteristics including omega 3-6-9 profile and supposedly being one of the easiest products to digest and no known allergens or anti nutrients (unlike flax seed which is full of it) has 93% good fats and high antioxidant level naturally making it very stable and room temp friendly for 2 yrs without rancidity. Mild nutty flavour you can use instead of flax, olive on veges, dips , salad dressing etc we have been on it for 2yrs and now wouldnt use anything else. Its also cold pressed http://www.matakanasuperfoods.com/ms/products/sacha-inchi-extra-virgin-oil.html

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 04, 2011
at 10:17 AM

Thanks for recommendation, but I am not going to try - I have tried olive oil, avocado and avocado oil, almonds and almond oil, sesame seeds and sesame seed oil, coconut and coconut oil, sunflower seeds and oil (the list may go on and on) and my stomach does not take it well. So no more oils for me, period.

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