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Fish and fruit only?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 19, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Hey guys. I have got a bit more money rec ently and this has afforded me the luxury od eating how I want to eat.

A couple years ago I lived in spain for awhile and my diet consisted soley of fruit and fish. I was living with my uncle at his friends villa who owned a few boats in a small fishing town.

I would eat a small amount of fresh fish along with copious amounts of fruit. I got to around 7 percent bodyfat while gorging myself senseless on fruit from the supermarket and small grocery stalls in town. 200-250g fresh fish a day - endless stream of mangos, melon, berries, bannana,oranges,apples,coconuts,peaches,pears and coconut milk fortified with b12 for my coffees.

This was not exctly a high protein diet. It had probably less than 10g of fat in it. It was loaded with carbs and I can't really explain why it worked so well. I was stronger on this diet than I am following a bodybuilding diet in excess of 250g protein.

I have been following the dolce diet for awhile and it has been an improvement on the paleo diet I had been doing. I reintroduced some wholegrains and quinoa and fat was falling off fast aswell as dropping red meat levels.

Now I have been only consuming my Atlantic cod, haddock and fruit for around 3 weeks. I have lost even more fat and added 7kg to my bench, 10kg to squat and 15kg to deadlift, which I have been stalled on all three for around 3 months.

I really don't understand why this is causing me to thrive compared to say a high protein meat based paleo diet, high in fat, moderate in carb. I have recommended the paleo template to my cousin, my lady and multiple friends and it is working absolute wonders for them.

Are some people suited to a fruit based, seafod diet? I noticed I no longer feel tired during the day. I can finally sleep after years of having terrible sleep. I was wondering if the fish had something i was missing nutrient wise, so I tried keeping the fish and fruit in but adding red meat and some dietary fat and again my sleep pattern was terrible, i felt lethargic etc etc.

I am descended from vandals a germanic people (vikings) and according to what i could find they ate corn, dairy and meat, so i was trying to figuire out iof there early ventures into bread ajhd dairy could have an impact on my macro ratio needs due to metabolic typing.

I am sort of rambling now and don't really know what my question is, needless to say I am rather confused but very happy at my fat loss and strength gains, both somehow achieved while even though stuffing my face, only adds up to around 1500calories a day at the most.

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on July 19, 2013
at 03:57 PM

Na, you were right on brother :P

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 19, 2013
at 02:33 PM

/sister :) How presumptuous :p

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 19, 2013
at 02:32 PM

Thanks for the encouragement brother!

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 19, 2013
at 02:28 PM

Great reply :) I think the whole protein 1-2 gram per lb of body weight is a marketing gimick to sells supplements. After this experience I am thinking unless you are on testosterone and other PED's, your body will not have sufficient protein synthesis to utilize that protein.

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C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

on July 19, 2013
at 02:13 PM

Honestly, don't worry about whether your diet fits into the "traditional" Paleo diet. If you're happy with your body comp, energetic, and sleeping well, you're doing things right, whether you're eating "strict" Paleo or not. Keep on keeping on bud :)

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 19, 2013
at 02:32 PM

Thanks for the encouragement brother!

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

(880)

on July 19, 2013
at 03:57 PM

Na, you were right on brother :P

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 19, 2013
at 02:33 PM

/sister :) How presumptuous :p

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on July 19, 2013
at 02:14 PM

"I was stronger on this diet than I am following a bodybuilding diet in excess of 250g protein."

"I really don't understand why this is causing me to thrive compared to say a high protein meat based paleo diet, high in fat, moderate in carb."

Eating excessive protein (let's say >120-150g a day) does not pack on muscle. You know what packs on muscle and strength? Enough protein, plenty of carbohydrates, and lifting heavy things.

Increasing protein is wonderful for increasing overall satiety from meals. Getting more than low levels of protein (low being 40-60g or so per day) is helpful for making sure that the body has enough building blocks with which to repair itself; alongside what is recycled internally, this amount is generally 70g-150g per day (it's a large range, because people are very varied); and of course lifting heavy things is the most important catalyst for gaining muscle and strength - you just do not get any sort of hypertrophic reaction otherwise.

Eating that much protein alone will not cause muscle hypertrophy, nor will it increase strength. There's nothing wrong with eating that much protein per day if you'd like to do so (upper safe limits are usually 300-450g a day depending on body size), but honestly, if your goal is strength and fitness, it's better to spend your money on other foods. Protein from meat can be the most expensive type of food you eat.

"(200-250g fresh fish a day - endless stream of mangos, melon, berries, bannana,oranges,apples,coconuts,peaches,pears and coconut milk fortified with b12 for my coffees."

"I reintroduced some wholegrains and quinoa and fat was falling off fast aswell as dropping red meat levels."

You reintroduced denser carbohydrates and gained strength (presumably from changes in muscle composition) while continuing a strength training routine. You should not find these changes surprising. :-)

I do not prefer whole grains and quinoa - there are plenty of vegetables and fruits that provide dense carbohydrates: plantains, bananas, squashes, sweet potatoes, cassava, potatoes, taro, etcetera. That's up to you though.

Summary: to gain muscle and strength eat enough protein (not too much), eat plenty of dense carbohydrates (ideally from good sources), and most importantly: lift heavy things to trigger muscle hypertrophy.

Personal anecdote: I cycle gaining phases and cutting phases every so often -- probably 2-3 gaining, 1 month cutting. I generally eat isocalorically (33% fat,protein,carbs), but in my gaining phase I just eat a lot more, and err on eating more carbs or protein versus fat if forced to choose. Calorie wise, that' about 3600 calories / day in my gaining phases, and about 2200 in cutting.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 19, 2013
at 02:28 PM

Great reply :) I think the whole protein 1-2 gram per lb of body weight is a marketing gimick to sells supplements. After this experience I am thinking unless you are on testosterone and other PED's, your body will not have sufficient protein synthesis to utilize that protein.

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