Well I have been trying to convince my brother to "go paleo" for a while now. He likes the idea, and is in general, open to trying new things.
However, he says he doesn't think it is very practical/possible for his current stage in life. He is a student in Finland.
He implies that it is too hard to find Paleo friendly foods in Finland. Due to lack of year round fresh vegetables, and the expense of meats. He insists that the Finnish population lives mainly on carbohydrates such as breads and pastas. He said maybe he could do it, if he wasn't a student relying on University lunches etc...
I keep telling him that he just has to open his eyes, and he will see more foods available, and will eventually stop considering the breads/pastas an option at all.
Are there any Finns out there who can provide some guidance or advice that I can forward on to my brother?? Because I have a feeling he is just making up excuses, because he doesn't want to sacrifice his diet of convenience.
Or, on the other hand I am mistaken, and the diet seems to be very hard to accomplish in Finland please let me know, so I can stop riding my brother about it.
Thank you very much.
asked byErik_of_Rockford (1173)
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on August 31, 2011
at 01:01 PM
I live in Finland, and I do have sympathies for your brother. I'm not even a student and I find myself struggling with my groceries budget from time to time. Organic meats are definately something that are not worth recommending for someone living on a budget in Finland.
Finnish student cafeterias are not very paleo-friendly. They're buffet-style, but they often limit the amount of food you can take on your tray, exception to bread and iceberg lettuce of course, FML. Pastas are common as well as all sorts of "creamy" sauces (sometimes with only traces of meat/chicken), which might be gluten free but filled with other unuseful ingredients. Smaller cities' cafeterias tend to have better quality food than what there is in Helsinki, at least city centre campuses. If he lives in Helsinki or some other bigger city, tell him to look for student cafeteria's menus on Amica's, Sodexo's etc. websites so he could "scout" for paleo-friendly choices a few days ahead.
Buying groceries from larger supermarkets might save him a few (only a few euros), but buying whole week's food might save him from frequent (and expensive) trips every other day to the small grocery store at the end of the block. Preparing food ahead for 2-3 is also a great idea, and buying a small thermal bag (six-pack-o-beer-size) and ice packs is also a great idea, so he can take his own lunch with him. But beating the 2.35 eur student lunch price is hard and requires large batch sizes :)
I think he could start with eggs, minced meat and canned tuna/canned salmon. Minced beef might be a little cheaper bought from the meat counter (finnish: lihatiski), than the prepackaged ones.Frozen broccoli and cauliflower are also good options (Think Rainbow-brand :) ). White potatoes are also surprisingly cheap. If dairy isn't an issue, cottage cheese is of course something that a lot of active finnish guys rely on for protein.
As for carbs, I didn't eat potatoes at home for years (even before going paleo, thought they were worse than grains), but now they're one of every three of my PWO meals (other two being sweet potato). Sweet potato isn't too bad either (except if you eat Leangains-style > 1.5 kg every PWO meal :)) If it isn't low carb paleo you're trying to get him into, potatoes are very affordable, even organic ones.
Hopefully this was helpful, might be somewhat "obvious" observations.
on August 31, 2011
at 01:50 PM
the cheapest paleo option i remember was this smal frozen fishes, in this nice designed packages. and lingonberries frozen.
probably cabagge and sauerkraut is good option too. in summertime also fresh peas and maybe mansikka strawberries. Look for a edible book. Then you can collect nettles and make nettle soup. goutsfeet and other great herbs which are very nourishing in the north and healthy and filling also chickweed.
If you are lucky you know a friend with hunting licence and he give you meat. i think reindeer is affordable in finnland. it depends on where you buy. Mayb you built a tipi up in this big finnish super Mals and make a little fire frying fishes and reindeer meat. This would be a cool art instalation and a protest for the finnish people. To life in a peaceful harmony.if you go dumpster diving you find a lot bannanas. the other thing are lots of rye bread this isnt paleo cause of all this stuff inside.
Finnish honey is also quiete good.i heard one friend he is on 801010doug graham he order organic bannanas in bulk and get them for 1.60 a kg. this is damn cheap for finnland and also for europe. so if you are tricky and order at big organic deliver like marcrobios. its very cheap. i was at the finnish rainbow and we had to look for the budget. cause we only can buy what is in the magic hat. so i can understand a bit also on how to get free or cheap things in finnland, only a little bit. look for local farmers who give you cheap raw milk you can make own cheese by ureself. this is the adventage having a homestead in finnland. apple i found also affordable in finnland. you get i think polnish apple and also ....?
If you sprout grains or otherseeds they become from grains or legumes to sprouts and grassens. Is wheat or barleygrass or spelt grass paleo?
i remeber there was a lot of nasty stuff i ate in finnland. the rawfood circle at the rianbow is so good for my health im so thankful for that.just go through supermarkts and shops and compare all prices by yourself and read for pure ingriedints without additives. i personnly wouldnt eat this grainfed meat. rather eat more veggies. other friends got a boat and got a lot fish at the sea. good luck.
edit: https://www.facebook.com/groups/255554453045/ there is a finish facebook group https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kuttelo/245051089016 this is the sttoneagge village
on November 19, 2012
at 08:52 PM
Does anybody know what are the best (strongest ) supplements for d3 and k2 vitamins available in Finland (in liquid forms), and what are their names, i will let somebody bring them to me..please help!!!!!
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on August 31, 2011
at 04:44 PM
Where does your brother live? I'm from Helsinki (although currently studying in the US) and have never had problems eating paleo there. If he likes fish, one of the cheapest and best sources of protein is a little fish called silakka, i often buy them fresh and fry them in butter or make them into rollmops with sour cream and dill. You can also buy them smoked and preserved in various sauces year round. Smoked mackerel is very, very cheap and filling too. As for meat, I recommend checking out the S-Market chain for meat sales, they tend to reduce the price (usually half off) on meats that are nearing their best-by date - including organic meats - and although that might put off some people I've bought them many times without ever having problems, the meat's always smelled and looked very fresh. Stockmann also has good ground beef sales. I also recommend checking out fatty cuts of pork at various meat markets, they tend to be very cheap because there's not much demand for them as Finns tend to avoid fats like the plague. S-Market has some of the best prices on organic produce (especially the unpasteurized sauerkraut), although sometimes buying at the outdoor market's a better deal, especially with regards to seasonal produce: this time of year he should be able to get cheap chanterelle and black trumpet mushrooms and a variety of really good local apples. Cranberries (karpalo) should be in season shortly as well. Of course potatoes and root vegetables in general tend to be cheap year round. As for eggs and dairy products, again I recommend checking out the S-Market chain. There's this one brand of Turkish yogurt (very similar to Greek yogurt) that comes in large tubs with a photo of an old Turkish man on it, it's a little cheesy looking but the yogurt's good and cheap, and if he likes fermented dairy products he'll love sour cream, viili (a yougurt-like fermented product) and piima (like kefir).