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Tylenol to reduce fever: would a caveman do it?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created April 27, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Since going paleo, I have a growing appreciation for the wisdom of the human body.

If a body wants to be warm (with fever), is taking tylenol to reduce it really a good idea?

I got a chest cold (coughing, some dark phlem, and fever of 101.7 for 2 days now).

Should I send in reinforcements or let nature take its course?

Thanks, Mike

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on April 28, 2013
at 09:35 PM

Oh yes, I'm sure Mike is going to become a habitual Tylenol abuser from his fever...

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on April 28, 2013
at 07:33 PM

of course, if you take it habitually you may give yourself liver failure...

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on April 28, 2013
at 10:58 AM

Nice to know... You know, many people, when they go clean, they start having some health problems. I wonder why.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 28, 2013
at 10:38 AM

I think I've always had a problem with oxalates. Potatoes were ,y primary veggie when I was eating sad. Things didn't get really bad till I went paleo, got a vitamix, started spinach smoothies, sweet potatoes as major staples.

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

(8280)

on April 28, 2013
at 05:19 AM

My recollection is that it's because cold makes you shiver. Shivering warms you up more (counterproductive when you're trying to reduce a fever).

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on April 28, 2013
at 02:46 AM

Wow, I'm really surprised at all the downvotes here on anyone advocating a more natural approach. Are most paleohackers looking only for diet/exercise hacks, but go for conventional wisdom on everything else?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on April 28, 2013
at 01:03 AM

Interesting. I should try reducing oxalates as well. Hope you feel better soon.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 28, 2013
at 12:29 AM

Wow! Btw, how long do you think it's reasonable to have a fever of nearly 102 without seeing a doctor?

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 27, 2013
at 11:18 PM

Great point about taking Tylenol overnight to avoid an Un monitored spike. I will do that

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on April 27, 2013
at 11:04 PM

You heal better when you feel better. Being stressed out because of being uncomfortable is not optimal healing conditions.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on April 27, 2013
at 10:16 PM

VB, why warm, not cold?

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 27, 2013
at 09:01 PM

I'm a big fan of Perfect Health Diet (even have a signed hardback copy which I read twice). As with any diet or guide line, not every good remedy is good for everybody. If it turns out that I'm really sensitive to oxalates, then all the good high-oxalate fruits & veggies will need to be eaten in moderation.

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on April 27, 2013
at 08:30 PM

Sue, my kids the same! 4 kids, oldest is 13, only 3 rounds of antibiotics total among them. If they get sick, it lasts 2 days. My kids reach for a spoonful of honey, or some saline nose spray if and when they need it. It amazes me how sick so many kids are.

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on April 27, 2013
at 08:27 PM

Unless the person is miserable, I think fever kicks some serious germ butt. It also forces the person to sleep, and keeps away the appetite, promoting autophagy, which is greatly beneficial. Even with swine flu we were only sick 2 days.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on April 27, 2013
at 06:34 PM

Terry Wahls is pro-kale and pro-berries, so don't cut those out.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on April 27, 2013
at 06:33 PM

Have you tried the Perfect Health Diet? Also, make sure to eat tons of raspberries - they have some kind of acid that reduces fever.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 27, 2013
at 05:42 PM

Funny you ask. It seemed whenever I went hard-core paleo, things got worse in a hurry. Last week I discovered oxalates. After cutting out daily sweet potato, spinach, v8 veggie juice, dark choc & berries, I felt 1000% better, dramatically, over a 3 day period. It's still too early to be conclusive, but I'm very encouraged. Over at "Trying Low Oxalates" (yahoo group), they say if you go cold-turkey off oxalates, it provokes all kinds of problems, including cold/fever (maybe that's just a coincidence), not sure.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on April 27, 2013
at 05:24 PM

She is a great doctor! Wet cloth on someone's forehead is a traditional way of reducing fever. Make sure the water is warm, not cold.

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(1097)

on April 27, 2013
at 05:17 PM

Exactly. Grok wanted to maintain his body's balance, not keep in with 'nature.' :)

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 27, 2013
at 04:20 PM

Interesting. If Grok was warm, and it was uncomfortable, I suppose he would not hesitate to go in the cool river to chill-out. He wouldn't intentionally roast himself to be in keeping with Paleo doctrine.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 27, 2013
at 04:19 PM

First, thanks for the quick responses. The "payoff", I suppose is healing in a way which is harmonious with nature. If elevated body temperature is your body's natural solution to sickness, then thwarting it seems bad, but I'm open to all views on this.

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61bef9200f6395868f19efe53081a5c3

(110)

on April 27, 2013
at 06:40 PM

Fever is the body's natural way of fighting foreign bodies. Simply put, the main reason several pathogens dont transfer between different species is inhospitable environments. A cows body is simply too warm for the common cold strains that humans have, etc. So, sometimes the body finds the best way to fight a pathogen is to heat up. I am in disbelief at how few people know that and dope their kids up several times a week and find it ok. My children hardly ever use medicatioms at all. Im not a terrible mother, if they are uncomfortable i will help. But if its just a fever, i will do nothing unless it gets too high. Remember brain death doesnt occur until about 107. If my child has a fever over 103 and it is night time and we are headed to bed, then i will use fever reducer, because i dont want it to rise in their sleep when im not monitoring it. I myself might take pain reliever if i have a headache that interferes with my ability to work or walk. Lol. I am the same with antibiotics and other medications. My children are very healthy. My son has only needed antibiotics once in his life and he is 5, my daughter has never needed them, she is 7. They are both very healthy and rarely get sick at all. My son has had stomach bug once, my daughter twice. My daughter has never had ear infections, my son has once. You catching my drift? Too many people overmedicate for everything, foiling your own body's attempts to fix its own problems...this causes immune system confusion, and will lead to more problems down the road. I have a friend that is constantly giving her children antihistamines, pain relievers, steroid nasal sprays, antibiotics, etc. Her children are in the doctors every other month or more and catch about 6 stomach bugs a year that last for days on end...as well as random other stuff that goes around such as pink eye, common colds, strep, etc.

Long story short, your body is warm for a reason, let it stay warm and do its job!!!

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 27, 2013
at 11:18 PM

Great point about taking Tylenol overnight to avoid an Un monitored spike. I will do that

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on April 27, 2013
at 08:30 PM

Sue, my kids the same! 4 kids, oldest is 13, only 3 rounds of antibiotics total among them. If they get sick, it lasts 2 days. My kids reach for a spoonful of honey, or some saline nose spray if and when they need it. It amazes me how sick so many kids are.

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5983854773a45b09a77a09ee97bdef42

on April 27, 2013
at 04:12 PM

Paleo is just a guideline, not a religion. If you are sick with a triple digit fever, what is the payoff for riding it out? Take the tylenol and feel better friend.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 27, 2013
at 04:19 PM

First, thanks for the quick responses. The "payoff", I suppose is healing in a way which is harmonious with nature. If elevated body temperature is your body's natural solution to sickness, then thwarting it seems bad, but I'm open to all views on this.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on April 27, 2013
at 11:03 PM

Caveman reenactment is not paleo. Take the tylenol unless you have liver failure.

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on April 28, 2013
at 07:33 PM

of course, if you take it habitually you may give yourself liver failure...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on April 28, 2013
at 09:35 PM

Oh yes, I'm sure Mike is going to become a habitual Tylenol abuser from his fever...

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32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on April 27, 2013
at 04:36 PM

My children's pediatrician practices integrative medicine (ie, she is an MD, but is willing to try alternative methods). She recommends that we do NOT medicate to bring a fever down if it is 102 or lower. When it gets over 102, or if the child is very uncomfortable, medication is recommended. I'm not sure how that would translate to an adult.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on April 27, 2013
at 10:16 PM

VB, why warm, not cold?

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

(8280)

on April 28, 2013
at 05:19 AM

My recollection is that it's because cold makes you shiver. Shivering warms you up more (counterproductive when you're trying to reduce a fever).

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on April 27, 2013
at 08:27 PM

Unless the person is miserable, I think fever kicks some serious germ butt. It also forces the person to sleep, and keeps away the appetite, promoting autophagy, which is greatly beneficial. Even with swine flu we were only sick 2 days.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on April 27, 2013
at 05:24 PM

She is a great doctor! Wet cloth on someone's forehead is a traditional way of reducing fever. Make sure the water is warm, not cold.

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Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

on April 27, 2013
at 08:19 PM

The undeniable fact is that he WOULD take something to reduce fever, as evidenced by the fact that we developed the stuff in the first place. This isn't the SCA.

But if you want to feel like crap, go ahead.

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089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

(5635)

on April 27, 2013
at 11:47 PM

the tylenol really will work fast and alleviate some of your misery. in feburary, i had a 103 F for 5 days but didn't wanna take anything. i ended up in the hospital that night and was told i had a bad c diff infection. i needed a few units of blood and i couldn't receive them if i had a fever. i took the tylenol and within 30 minutes, it was down to 99 F and i got my blood transfusions. i honestly felt so much better after the tylenol and my fever never even came back after that. i was mad that i let myself suffer those days beforehand with the fever.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 28, 2013
at 12:29 AM

Wow! Btw, how long do you think it's reasonable to have a fever of nearly 102 without seeing a doctor?

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Medium avatar

on April 27, 2013
at 04:14 PM

Hmmmmmm... good question. My immediate answer is: the heat is uncomfortable for grok, so if grok can find a remedy, grok will take it.

That being said, grok just didn't have tylenol. So maybe you shouldn't.

On the other hand, I suffer from cluster headaches. Am I going to suffer through four or five days of nausea-inducing pain with no relief?

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Seriously. Take something. Or find a more natural alternative.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 27, 2013
at 04:20 PM

Interesting. If Grok was warm, and it was uncomfortable, I suppose he would not hesitate to go in the cool river to chill-out. He wouldn't intentionally roast himself to be in keeping with Paleo doctrine.

Medium avatar

(1097)

on April 27, 2013
at 05:17 PM

Exactly. Grok wanted to maintain his body's balance, not keep in with 'nature.' :)

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on April 27, 2013
at 05:28 PM

Sorry to hear that you are not feeling well.

Is it okay to ask you a question? I really would appreciate if you could answer me honestly.

Have you been 100% Paleo for the last month or have you had anything else besides meat/fish, eggs, fruit and vegetables? Like have you had any coffee, chocolate, sugar or protein powder?

PLEASE DO NOT TAKE TYLENOL!!! It is a bad, bad choice.

Drink TONS OF GREEN or BLACK tea with raspberries - they reduce fever naturally. Also, you can try some herbal tea made with linden flowers. That will make you sweat as well.

Chicken soup with tons of garlic and carrots. Ask someone to make it for you.

Good luck!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on April 27, 2013
at 06:33 PM

Have you tried the Perfect Health Diet? Also, make sure to eat tons of raspberries - they have some kind of acid that reduces fever.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on April 28, 2013
at 01:03 AM

Interesting. I should try reducing oxalates as well. Hope you feel better soon.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on April 28, 2013
at 10:58 AM

Nice to know... You know, many people, when they go clean, they start having some health problems. I wonder why.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 28, 2013
at 10:38 AM

I think I've always had a problem with oxalates. Potatoes were ,y primary veggie when I was eating sad. Things didn't get really bad till I went paleo, got a vitamix, started spinach smoothies, sweet potatoes as major staples.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on April 27, 2013
at 06:34 PM

Terry Wahls is pro-kale and pro-berries, so don't cut those out.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 27, 2013
at 05:42 PM

Funny you ask. It seemed whenever I went hard-core paleo, things got worse in a hurry. Last week I discovered oxalates. After cutting out daily sweet potato, spinach, v8 veggie juice, dark choc & berries, I felt 1000% better, dramatically, over a 3 day period. It's still too early to be conclusive, but I'm very encouraged. Over at "Trying Low Oxalates" (yahoo group), they say if you go cold-turkey off oxalates, it provokes all kinds of problems, including cold/fever (maybe that's just a coincidence), not sure.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on April 27, 2013
at 09:01 PM

I'm a big fan of Perfect Health Diet (even have a signed hardback copy which I read twice). As with any diet or guide line, not every good remedy is good for everybody. If it turns out that I'm really sensitive to oxalates, then all the good high-oxalate fruits & veggies will need to be eaten in moderation.

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