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Seeking help for Primal Slump

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 10, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Hello and here's my story. Thanks for taking the time to read and consider.

When I first went primal July 1, 2011 I had induction flu for two days and after that I was in HEAVEN???anxiety and depression gone, energy and enthusiasm up, weight down???I felt literally reborn. It was a super high.

Now, not so much.

I don't think this is as simple as the honeymoon being over. I wish it were.

In my third month, my anxiety and depression are still absent, and thank goodness because these are my scariest issues, the ones that keep me from ever returning to grains, sugar, processed crap...

but my energy level is ridiculously low. I haven't been exercising like I used to. I want to but am just exhausted. Almost all the time.

I read about coffee being a common cross-inducer of gluten sensitivity issues in Primal Body-Primal Mind so I cut that out, even though it was only decaf... But I'm still tired.

I eat 50 - 100 grams of carbs a day, mostly in the form of apples, berries or veg. including sweet potatoes. Also dark chocolate, a small piece a day.

I eat 90% grass-fed and pastured animal products, little dairy save hard cheese and kerrygold butter. I drink bone broth and eat coconut oil and butter. Smoked oysters. Salads...It all feels really healthy.

But here I am feeling sluggish, frustrated and desperate for some VITALITY.

I wonder if maybe I have a thyroid/adrenal issue (like my mom), iron-deficiency issues (like I did when I was a pregnant vegetarian), need more carbs a la The Perfect Health Diet... I am also constipated without my magnesium citrate. And of course digestion takes up so much energy...

I'm desperate for clarity.

I have an appointment with my primary care doc in a couple weeks and want to get everything tested: blood sugar levels, hormones, iron levels, etc. In the meantime, if anyone has any insight, similar experiences, feedback, it would be greatly appreciated.

thank you so very much!


UPDATE: I hope I chose the answer correctly, I am new at this. I clicked the check mark beside the answer regarding low salt intake.

From the looks of things it was the salt/electrolyte balance. Adding salt has restored my energy level. Extra Celtic sea salt in my broth, cups of brine, etc. Am back in the exercise swing of things. Thanks again everyone for considering my question.

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on November 13, 2011
at 01:43 AM

just wanted to let you know that I fried up a skillet full of chicken skin (with some coconut oil and sea salt) and after I chowed down felt like I'd been zapped with a thousand volts of energy. it was amazing. like coffee without the jitters. The fat really works!

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 11, 2011
at 11:29 PM

I wanted to let you know that today was so much better. Thank you again for your recommendations! I started the day with a half tsp of celtic sea salt and more in my broth. in the afternoon a little more followed by a lacto-fermented salsa brine chaser. I had more energy today than in weeks. Oh and I had a little coconut water—I guess that makes it a gatorade of sorts, without all the crap. So grateful to you! All best.

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(19479)

on October 11, 2011
at 01:00 AM

You'll definitely need to provide an update if you do pull the old "stick o butter" stunt! Didn't he need to "wash it down" with pork rinds?

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on October 11, 2011
at 12:47 AM

Pate is awesome. I tend towards not absorbing enough b vitamins so the occasional sub-lingual b-12 or full spectrum b-complex seems to help too.

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on October 10, 2011
at 11:31 PM

Yeah, actually it was a psychologist. He heard me out and, after a couple of meetings, told me I was perfectly fine. Something about the entire thing.... the entire proceeding (our two talks).... helped me to know that I was okay. Very strange to say, but it was very instrumental in re-directing my path. I mean, I only met with the guy a couple of times and he basically listened and told me not to waste my money by coming to him anymore..... hard to quantify, but it was life-changing. I'm old enough to not spend too much time figuring out why it was so helpful. It just was.

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 11:16 PM

WOW. I might maybe one day have to try that. My Kerrygold's unsalted. Will it still work? that is so heartening for my situation.

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 11:13 PM

Oh here's a link to a blog post I wrote complete with two fitday screenshots that detail a typical day in the life of... http://elisemiller.com/2011/09/what-i-ate-today-a-lot-of-fat/ thanks again.

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 10:57 PM

that's not off-base at all. thank you for your perspective. Are you talking about a psychotherapist? I was just saying to my husband that I'm anxious over a book revision I need to do. And sometimes my anxiety presents as an unshakable urge to nap. So who knows what the solution will be. Getting to work possibly. Thanks again.

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 09:57 PM

thank you, I might do that if this doesn't resolve. I appreciate your comment.

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 09:55 PM

wow, this is great info. i've been doing bone broth most mornings with celtic sea salt. will try your technique. I forgot to add that I eat homemade pate regularly, and I think I feel a B-vitamin boost when I do...will also look into the supplements you mention. I really appreciate it!

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 09:54 PM

this is another hunch of mine. all that appetite lost from low-carbing has resulted in "forgetting" to eat at times. sometimes I wonder if the fix is as simple as adding the calories like you say. thank you!

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 09:50 PM

Let me know if the yolks and taters works. I so miss the ROAR. Sigh. Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone!

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on October 10, 2011
at 08:35 PM

Elise, I don't have an answer, but I wanted to let you you're not alone in losing that original energy burst. I was going to post this question myself, so I'll be watching this thread with interest. I felt like I could tear down trees the first two months! (ROAR!) I miss that! Now I'm always lagging. I just recently started added lots of egg yolks and sweet 'taters to boost calories up to 2k from 1500.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on October 10, 2011
at 08:27 PM

It doesn't hurt to get your thyroid checked. I am on a similar diet, along with anemia. Turns out I was low thyroid, and now that I am being properly treated, the anemia should go away, if everything goes correctly. (Hopefully the tummy troubles will be the first to go -I don't mind being tired compared to that).

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on October 10, 2011
at 09:27 PM

I found that it is really easy to under eat salt on Paleo (especially if you are on the salt-avoidance paleo protocol some people suggest), and as a result end up with insufficient electrolytes and iodine. Missing both of those can leave you dragging and exacerbate any adrenal/thyroid issues you could be having. Even though caffeine gives you a boost, it can make adrenal issues worse over time.

I recently discovered a little trick of putting a pinch of Celtic Sea Salt on my tongue first thing in the morning, or a couple of pinches into a bowl of broth, and my energy shoots right up. Mid-afternoon usually requires another salt infusion to keep energy up.

My current energy building routine is the salty broth with breakfast, Thorne Ferrasorb, Integrative Therapeutics' Spectra 303-T (thyroid support), and Prescript Assist probiotics added to the vitamin mix, 2 tbsp. coconut oil/ day, liver, and some sweet potato or yam at dinner time a couple times/week. I'm not at 100% yet, but much better than I was.

When I've really felt tapped out, Eleuthero Ginseng extract has been a godsend. Herb Pharm is the one I use. It takes a week or more to really feel the effects (so don't get discouraged if you don't feel any change at first).

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 09:55 PM

wow, this is great info. i've been doing bone broth most mornings with celtic sea salt. will try your technique. I forgot to add that I eat homemade pate regularly, and I think I feel a B-vitamin boost when I do...will also look into the supplements you mention. I really appreciate it!

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 11, 2011
at 11:29 PM

I wanted to let you know that today was so much better. Thank you again for your recommendations! I started the day with a half tsp of celtic sea salt and more in my broth. in the afternoon a little more followed by a lacto-fermented salsa brine chaser. I had more energy today than in weeks. Oh and I had a little coconut water—I guess that makes it a gatorade of sorts, without all the crap. So grateful to you! All best.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on October 11, 2011
at 12:47 AM

Pate is awesome. I tend towards not absorbing enough b vitamins so the occasional sub-lingual b-12 or full spectrum b-complex seems to help too.

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7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on October 10, 2011
at 07:31 PM

50-100g of carbs a day is fairly low-carb. Try eating more carbohydrate (reducing fat so you don't increase your total calories, if you're trying to lose weight). Not everyone feels good and has a lot of energy on low carb. That said it's pretty hard to give advice without seeing exactly what you're eating. Maybe you could post a few days of what you typically eat?

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 09:57 PM

thank you, I might do that if this doesn't resolve. I appreciate your comment.

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 11:13 PM

Oh here's a link to a blog post I wrote complete with two fitday screenshots that detail a typical day in the life of... http://elisemiller.com/2011/09/what-i-ate-today-a-lot-of-fat/ thanks again.

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Af005ec9a8e028f2b04bf5367b64e0d6

on October 10, 2011
at 08:49 PM

Calories = energy. Literally.

Also, you're eating low carb (50 is definitely low carb (~10% calories, 100 is still pretty low), which you probably shouldn't be doing unless you very much do not feel tired.

Not sure if you're still trying to lose weight, but if you're interested in feeling better and having more energy, try adding a meal.

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 09:54 PM

this is another hunch of mine. all that appetite lost from low-carbing has resulted in "forgetting" to eat at times. sometimes I wonder if the fix is as simple as adding the calories like you say. thank you!

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on October 10, 2011
at 08:24 PM

I would try increasing your calories.

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Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on October 10, 2011
at 10:24 PM

I'm sorry if I end up being off base here, but not everything is settled by diet. You MIGHT have some issues that need to be addressed outside of the realm of diet. About 5 years ago, I allowed my doctor to refer me to someone to talk with. Best thing that ever happened to me and I'm eternally grateful. Again, I'm sorry if this isn't applicable. Just trying to pitch in with an idea.

Best of luck to you and yours.

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on October 10, 2011
at 11:31 PM

Yeah, actually it was a psychologist. He heard me out and, after a couple of meetings, told me I was perfectly fine. Something about the entire thing.... the entire proceeding (our two talks).... helped me to know that I was okay. Very strange to say, but it was very instrumental in re-directing my path. I mean, I only met with the guy a couple of times and he basically listened and told me not to waste my money by coming to him anymore..... hard to quantify, but it was life-changing. I'm old enough to not spend too much time figuring out why it was so helpful. It just was.

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 10:57 PM

that's not off-base at all. thank you for your perspective. Are you talking about a psychotherapist? I was just saying to my husband that I'm anxious over a book revision I need to do. And sometimes my anxiety presents as an unshakable urge to nap. So who knows what the solution will be. Getting to work possibly. Thanks again.

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41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on October 10, 2011
at 08:40 PM

My first thought is more fat. Fat is what usually gives me energy.

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76c885d7d27e6c83542ea493ca866dcd

(2178)

on October 10, 2011
at 10:13 PM

try what very well may be the ultimate energy bar -- a stick of butter :)

http://paleohacks.com/questions/24509/1-4-lb-of-butter-and-boundless-energy#axzz1aQ44ECGm

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(19479)

on October 11, 2011
at 01:00 AM

You'll definitely need to provide an update if you do pull the old "stick o butter" stunt! Didn't he need to "wash it down" with pork rinds?

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on October 10, 2011
at 11:16 PM

WOW. I might maybe one day have to try that. My Kerrygold's unsalted. Will it still work? that is so heartening for my situation.

Ccfd5c5fd0db8c1c9f437d008c311f99

on November 13, 2011
at 01:43 AM

just wanted to let you know that I fried up a skillet full of chicken skin (with some coconut oil and sea salt) and after I chowed down felt like I'd been zapped with a thousand volts of energy. it was amazing. like coffee without the jitters. The fat really works!

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