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feeling run down

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 02, 2011 at 7:36 PM

hello all,

i have been eating Paleo friendly for the past 6 weeks. i have totally avoided dairy, grains and legumes thus far. prior to eliminating these products my diet was excellent by most standards.

contrary to what i had expected, i feel worn out.

i have tried adding more fat with the use of coconut oil. i may still be a bit low on my animal protein intake. the only other thing i can think of is maybe not enough water. i drink at least 2 litres of green tea a day, but the only time i consume a significant amount of water is on gym days when i down a 1.5 litre bottle.

Any thoughts?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 04, 2011
at 06:32 PM

Just til you respond

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 03, 2011
at 05:32 PM

i will give that a try Dr.K; should i make this a daily thing or just till i feel better?

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 03, 2011
at 05:31 PM

thanks Dexter, i am consuming a lot of carbs. four fruits and six servings of vegetables every day. my intent with the diet change was not to eliminate carbs; just the stuff that might be inflammatory. i will try reducing the carbs and see if it makes a difference; anything to feel better than this.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 03, 2011
at 05:16 PM

for the mayo are you using a 1:1 ratio of coconut to olive oil and one cup oils for each egg yoke? thanks!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 03, 2011
at 05:14 PM

200 mgs of serotonin precursor call 5htp. It's a supplement. Qd means each day.

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on May 03, 2011
at 11:05 AM

DudleyP - Pretty much at the end of this process, I'm back to burning ketones and feeling good. That may not account for the 5-10lbs of excess water gain from the carbo loading, but it does help me keep from getting carb blues.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on May 03, 2011
at 10:24 AM

how quickly do you find yourself back on track after the weekend's "cheats"?

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

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on May 03, 2011
at 05:40 AM

What is "qd of 5hpt?". Sorry.

66283d390809787a11a81be7ee5fb98d

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on May 03, 2011
at 03:27 AM

Butter and cream are an easy way to know you're getting adequate fat. Love the stuff. I know you say you've been avoiding dairy though, so perhaps those are off the table. If so, bummer. How about bacon fat? Fattier meats, specifically organs?

Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

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on May 03, 2011
at 01:21 AM

BTW, for homemade mayo, I use a mixture of coconut and olive oil - tastes great! I know some people also use bacon drippings, which sounds amazing.

Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

(552)

on May 03, 2011
at 01:18 AM

It doesn't look like you have much fat in your diet (depending on how you cook your food). Be sure you're eating to satiety. Personally, I remember having to make a big mental shift when I went Paleo. I eventually started eating bigger meals three times a day and stopped feeling the need to "snack" on fruits and veggies throughout the day.

Eeb593d6b6d7a939fdd5469b69347d5f

(1037)

on May 02, 2011
at 09:29 PM

The diet doesn't change it, it's just extremely important.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 02, 2011
at 09:23 PM

thanks lunabelle- how long did it take for you to see a difference after excluding additives?

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 02, 2011
at 08:56 PM

i typically sleep 7.5 hrs at a time ever since i can remeber. would the diet change increase my need for sleep?

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 02, 2011
at 08:53 PM

what else would you suggest?

66283d390809787a11a81be7ee5fb98d

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on May 02, 2011
at 08:40 PM

Are you sure you're getting enough animal fat? Many people go low-carb and experience troubles because they don't also go high-fat. I don't know if coconut oil alone is going to do the trick.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 02, 2011
at 07:48 PM

Check out the "low carb flu" posts here: http://paleohacks.com/search?q=carb+flu#axzz1LE5DwHMv Your body is getting used to eating a whole new way. Read the posts I mentioned above and you'll see you are not alone.

Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

(552)

on May 02, 2011
at 07:41 PM

Also, any other life stresses would contribute to this.

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246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on May 03, 2011
at 01:15 AM

Here's my cure for "carb flu" - Your mileage may vary but this has worked for me every time I've done it.

  1. Eat an early (5pm-6pm) dinner of mostly meat/fat and little-to-no carbohydrate (I usually go zero carb for this).

  2. Get to bed nice and early and get a good night's sleep.

  3. Wake up, go about your day and do not eat until early evening (4-6pm). This might be rough, especially if you aren't used to it, but stick it out - avoid filling up on green tea, as this might have some ahem adverse reactions, stick with 1-2 cups at the most and fresh water. When you get hungry, your body accelerates it's shift to converting fats to ketones, because it's preparing to catabolize your stores. But before it can do that, we are going to eat another meal of primarily meat/fat, and really eat a lot of fat (prime rib, salad tossed in bacon fat, with bacon, couple belts of heavy cream if you eat dairy, etc...), again... little-to-no carbohydrate. Eat enough to be fully satisfied without feeling "heavy". As a man who is a strength athlete, I break my fasts with 2lbs of fatty ruminant like beef brisket, chuckeye, ribeye, or lamb breast and usually nothing else.

  4. Give yourself an hour to digest, and (for me) that's about the time the Carb Flu runs for the hills... I usually end up walking the dog for 5-6 miles at this point.

Now, you can either do this again the next day, or wait a few... once you are fully acclimated to burning fats you might (like I did) end up not being hungry the atypical "every 3 hours", heck I commonly go 6-10 hours between meals (unless I just want to eat).

Again, this is what works for me. After a weekend of deciding "you know what? I'm gonna eat potatoes and starches and maybe even have a beer or two", the damage gets done and this is how I get back on track quickly.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on May 03, 2011
at 10:24 AM

how quickly do you find yourself back on track after the weekend's "cheats"?

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on May 03, 2011
at 11:05 AM

DudleyP - Pretty much at the end of this process, I'm back to burning ketones and feeling good. That may not account for the 5-10lbs of excess water gain from the carbo loading, but it does help me keep from getting carb blues.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 03, 2011
at 12:53 AM

Paleo flu is caused by transient reduction of serotonin in the enter chromatin cells of the gut due to low carb acutenchange. Use 200 mgs qd of 5hpt and it will go away

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 03, 2011
at 05:14 PM

200 mgs of serotonin precursor call 5htp. It's a supplement. Qd means each day.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 03, 2011
at 05:32 PM

i will give that a try Dr.K; should i make this a daily thing or just till i feel better?

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on May 03, 2011
at 05:40 AM

What is "qd of 5hpt?". Sorry.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 04, 2011
at 06:32 PM

Just til you respond

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06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on May 03, 2011
at 12:55 AM

See this posting about low carb flu:

http://www.gnolls.org/1984/the-science-behind-the-low-carb-flu-and-how-to-regain-your-metabolic-flexibility/

And another from Dr Mike Eades: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/lt-frederick-schwatka-and-low-carb-adaptation/

You will eventually convert yourself over to being a fat burning machine. Just looking at what you say you eat without knowing the quantitites, it seems that your carb intake is just too high and you are confusing your system. You body is having to have enzymes to burn the fat and protein and enzymes to burn the carbs and sugars. I know when I eat too many carbs, I feel listless and run down.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 03, 2011
at 05:31 PM

thanks Dexter, i am consuming a lot of carbs. four fruits and six servings of vegetables every day. my intent with the diet change was not to eliminate carbs; just the stuff that might be inflammatory. i will try reducing the carbs and see if it makes a difference; anything to feel better than this.

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9759643ce5d97ab8fa649ae954656c4c

on May 02, 2011
at 09:08 PM

I'm guessing that your use of bottled sauces and mayo are the culprit. Even if the additives are at homeopathic levels, sugars, distilled vinegars, "natural flavors", etc., can undermine your bodies ability to detox and heal (and that's assuming you are using "natural" sauces.)

This has been my own personal journey, though. It's a conclusion that I've come to for myself after years of experimenting and back and forth denial about the affects of occasional additives in small amounts. Not everyone's body is as reactive as mine, but it might be worth pondering and testing.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 02, 2011
at 09:23 PM

thanks lunabelle- how long did it take for you to see a difference after excluding additives?

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B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on May 02, 2011
at 08:45 PM

hi Crystal, i tried to add this as a comment under your entry, but it wouldn't stick.

i say friendly because i drink coffee and i still haven't made a decent mayo out of olive/walnut oil yet, so i'm still using helmann's once or twice a week and i love bottled sauces like korean bbq and piri piri; i'm certain they contain soy in some form. and i haven't found a source for pastured eggs or grass fed beef.

sleep is good; 7-8 hours at a time. i am a shift worker, so its not always perfect.

i try to get to the gym 3 times a week. i do group exercise classes and some treadmill and weight machines when time permits. i walk a lot as i do not own a car and it is not unusual for me to carry 30lbs of groceries the 2km home a couple of times a week.

breakfast is usually a scrambled egg with onion, green pepper and/or enoki mushrooms and a handful of spinach. occasionally i have berries with toasted seeds. lunch is canned tuna/salmon or chicken breast on mixed greens. dinner i have beef, salmon, chicken or shrimp with sauted or roasted vegetables; some combination of broccolli, cauliflower, carrots, parsnips, mushrooms, onion, peppers, zucchini, eggplant, kale, turnip, brussel sprouts. snacks are almonds or walnuts with a fruit; berries, apples, bananas, mango, grapes or grapefruit. i also eat baby carrots and celery sticks daily.

Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

(552)

on May 03, 2011
at 01:18 AM

It doesn't look like you have much fat in your diet (depending on how you cook your food). Be sure you're eating to satiety. Personally, I remember having to make a big mental shift when I went Paleo. I eventually started eating bigger meals three times a day and stopped feeling the need to "snack" on fruits and veggies throughout the day.

Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

(552)

on May 03, 2011
at 01:21 AM

BTW, for homemade mayo, I use a mixture of coconut and olive oil - tastes great! I know some people also use bacon drippings, which sounds amazing.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 03, 2011
at 05:16 PM

for the mayo are you using a 1:1 ratio of coconut to olive oil and one cup oils for each egg yoke? thanks!

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Eeb593d6b6d7a939fdd5469b69347d5f

(1037)

on May 02, 2011
at 08:44 PM

Make sure you're getting an absolute minimum of 8 hours of sleep in a pitch black room. Other than that, we need a lot more information about your diet. You might need to calorie count to make sure you're not under-eating.

Eeb593d6b6d7a939fdd5469b69347d5f

(1037)

on May 02, 2011
at 09:29 PM

The diet doesn't change it, it's just extremely important.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on May 02, 2011
at 08:56 PM

i typically sleep 7.5 hrs at a time ever since i can remeber. would the diet change increase my need for sleep?

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Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

on May 02, 2011
at 07:41 PM

What do you mean by "Paleo friendly"?

How is your sleep?

What do you do for exercise, and how often?

A log of a typical day's eating would be helpful. It's possible that you're just not eating enough in general.

Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

(552)

on May 02, 2011
at 07:41 PM

Also, any other life stresses would contribute to this.

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