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Diet related experiment

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 18, 2013 at 3:55 AM

I have done brief research into SIBO and there are so many conflicting diets for what to eat. I need to try something I can do in the interim of seeing a doctor to see if I have SIBO.

I can't do bone broth just yet and I still have some veggies, eggs, greek yogurt, kefir, and fruits I need to eat up before I go full on and do a minimalist diet. But, in the coming weeks I am going to gear up to transition to a more paleo/low FODMAP diet and just eat a lot of chicken/fish/liver for about a week and half and see if it helps my symptoms of fatigue/brain fog/cold extremities.

Does anyone have solid step by step resources? As for veggies what are the absolute go to's? I need something to help me feel full at night to go to bed happy.

I dont know if I have SIBO, but I have been suffering from a mystery illness for 4 months and going from SIsson's primal style with a lot of greens to a more paleo/SCD to eliminate these things fermenting and feeding the bacteria. I am willing to try anything! I miss how sharp witted I used to be and how much energy I had!

Thank you if you know anything!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 20, 2013
at 12:05 AM

Digestive problems are core to SIBO. Acid reflux or heart burn and constipation or diarrhea, flatulence, belching, bloating are the main symptoms. Malabsorption of nutrients results in a myriad of symptoms, commonly fatigue, anxiety and depression. Vitamin deficiencies are common. If this does not describe you, I would probably look for other causes of your symptoms. The one test to determine whether or not you could have SIBO, is if you have bloating or belching right after about every meal.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 19, 2013
at 09:13 PM

I would not wait for the blood work, I would do the breath test as early as possible. I think that even if your test is negative, that will be one less thing for you to worry about. Also, find a cheaper way. Call around and see if where you can get it cheaper if your insurance does not cover it.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 19, 2013
at 09:10 PM

Again, sorry I don't know. If your doctor will be reluctant about doing it (and not too many doctors even know the symptoms, believe me) please find another doctor or something. Find a way. You can get the test done in 3 hours and will see the results. The blood work will take at least a couple of days or longer, depending on the lab.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:36 PM

What is a C. Diff?

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:34 PM

I called my GP and got the answering machine. Left a message to schedule an appointment for possible SIBO/post infectious IBS but havent heard anything back yet. Would you recommend calling my GI? Or should I wait until I hear back on my blood work?

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:32 PM

Also, does having a slip up cause a large set back? Or If Im slowly returning to normal health, will my body heal itself in the long run?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:29 PM

So you need to take a test to know what kind of bacteria so you can pick the right antibiotic.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:28 PM

If you have methane producing bacteria, yes, by all means ANTIBIOTICS is the only number. If you have mild hydrogen... I actually don't think your case is mild. So if they want you to take antibiotics go ahead and do that but remember you need to get the right one depending on what bacteria you have.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:27 PM

Hydrogen and methane bacteria requires different antibiotics. If you have methane, take metronidazole. It is very very safe and it has practically no side effects. You can use a combination of metronidazole and refaximin but refaximin won't work by its own. Also, a combination of three things: prokinetics, antibiotics and a diet. My doctor prescribed sac. boulardi one hour prior to taking antibiotics. I did not take them BUT I think I should have. I think I would feel better. Don't take motillium as a prokinetic, it is very bad. Also, erythromicine did not work for me.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:23 PM

I agree with him on NO PROBIOTICS. He forgot to mention prokinetics and this is a very very very important part. You have to have prokinetics.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:22 PM

David, I want to warn you against that post. It worked for him, it might not work for you. I have tried this guy's approach and it did not work for me. Why? I got very sick from ginger. Ginger!!! ???? I know, sounds impossible but that was my case. Also, glutamine powder and garlic did not work for me. Garlic is actually a high FODMAP food. Also, he overdid the antibiotics. You can get a C. diff from what he did.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:11 PM

If they start me on antibiotics, would you recommend to take them?

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 19, 2013
at 07:51 PM

I think maybe I have more of post-viral IBS if anything. But, I am having a lot of the symptoms associated with SIBO. However diarrhea and constipation is not one of them

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 19, 2013
at 07:48 PM

the thing is, Ive been low-ish carb for a while. aside from a few splurges on the weekends. Im about to start eating to treat IBS/SIBO and see if I get any relief!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 19, 2013
at 05:03 PM

Yogurt should not make much of a difference in regards to digestive health. It does not contain enough probiotic strands to make a difference, nor are they live when you consume them. There are other health benefits to yogurt which explains why you may "feel better" or it may be placebic. There is also the consideration that you may not even have SIBO. Symptoms of course, vary from person to person. Diarrhea is a common symptom, although some patients feel constipation. If you do not experience either, I would doubt you have SIBO.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 19, 2013
at 05:02 PM

Yogurt should not make much of a difference in regards to digestive health. It does not contain enough probiotic strands to make a difference, nor are they live when you consume them. There are other health benefits to yogurt which explains why you may "feel better" or it may be placebic. There is also the consideration that you may not even have SIBO. Symptoms of course, vary from person to person. Diahrea is a common symptom, although some patients feel constipation. If you do not experience either, I would doubt you have SIBO.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 19, 2013
at 04:54 PM

Ic875, a zero-carb diet is ineffective as the foods are still translated to sugars in the mucous lining. Hence, the bacteria decide rather to feed off of this instead. If you try intermittent fasting for instance, you will see no benefit. The key here is to tend towards a more SCD while maximizing intake of garlic, ginger, cinnamon and other antibacterial foods (such as pepeprmint oil in enteric capsules or oil of oregano). Everyday that I have been following this regimen, I have seen much improvement. Take what I said with a grain of salt, and do your own research if you do not believe me.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 19, 2013
at 04:48 PM

lc875, logically, the small intestine should not have very much bacteria in it. The problem is not having the "wrong" bacteria, it's having TOO MUCH bacteria, hence "bacterial overgrowth". The problem differs in c dificile patients whereas the good bacteria have all died off and probiotics may benefit. The source is reputable only in that it is his story of how he was successfuly able to treat his SIBO. You can do research yourself if you do not trust his sources on the effectiveness of the natural antibiotics he recommended.

75d65450b6ff0be7b969fb321f1200ac

(2506)

on February 19, 2013
at 12:43 PM

I have not been tested for SIBO but, without question, this is what I suffered from. As for fatigue and going low carb, I don't recall suffering from it long ... maybe a couple of days. But we're talking about cutting my carb intake from 100-150 grams/day to 50-60 grams/day. If you are consuming a lot of carbs now you will find going low carbs to be a struggle at first. Lastly I need to say: I feel great. Digestive tract is now functioning normally, I lost a little weight around my mid section, and I have energy. So a low-ish carb diet works for me. No telling how it will work for you.

7b20db75b09540914bd0c852e868a9d6

(454)

on February 19, 2013
at 12:03 PM

this isn't a good long term solution and you should definitely go to a GI if you can (make sure they they test for SIBO- not all do), but I suggest trying just plain meat and water for a day, and see how you feel. then in the following days, try adding a new FODMAP approved food (like carrots, oranges) and see if you get the bloat after you eat. that way, you can at least find a list of "safe" foods that you can eat til you find a more permanent solution. hope you feel better. :) i know it sucks.

7b20db75b09540914bd0c852e868a9d6

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on February 19, 2013
at 12:03 PM

because it says don't eat probiotics? it doesn't look like a very credible source/site. i don't know if probiotics make the situation worse or better, but if its one of the foods you can eat without getting bloated, i would listen to your body.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 19, 2013
at 03:16 AM

Im interested in some sources regarding the bacteria and what they do, how to treat, etc.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 19, 2013
at 01:34 AM

But, then I read this: http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1707980 and I dont know anymore

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 19, 2013
at 01:00 AM

Still waiting to hear back on the blood tests you know. But I think I will start a SCD/FODMAPs diet and start treating SIBO even without getting it dx'd using ginger, garlic, and this source: http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1707980 Do you think I Need to the glutamine as well?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on February 18, 2013
at 07:42 PM

It ain't broke? *symptoms of fatigue/brain fog/cold extremities*; *suffering from a mystery illness for 4 months*; * I am willing to try anything*

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 18, 2013
at 07:34 PM

VB, how long after you start a SIBO diet does the fatigue lift and brain fog clear? I'm not suffering now from the fog as much as the fatigue but I'm really wanting to get this kicked!

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 18, 2013
at 07:32 PM

Greek yogurt really seems to help me feel better!

7b20db75b09540914bd0c852e868a9d6

(454)

on February 18, 2013
at 07:23 PM

My SIBO test is in 2 weeks. I CANT wait

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 18, 2013
at 07:00 PM

http://scdlifestyle.com/category/improve-digestive-health/

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 18, 2013
at 06:59 PM

More links: http://chriskresser.com/category/podcasts I am sorry I was not able to find the podcast I was looking for. It is about acne, but it is actually about SIBO acne connection.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 18, 2013
at 06:53 PM

EDITED: you asked for more links http://paleodietlifestyle.com/you-and-your-gut-flora/ http://www.thepaleomom.com/2012/07/modifying-paleo-small-intestinal.html

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 18, 2013
at 06:48 PM

David, it is NOT ABOUT CALORIES. It is about what that bacteria is doing to your body. You think they only eat your food? Think again. They 1. slow down your metabolism 2. Produce toxins that enter your bloodstream and poison your mind (really) 3. Make gases that change your absorption rates 4. create leaky gut 5. develop biofilm that antibiotics won't kill them etc. etc. etc. Too many things to list. I will post another link for you.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 18, 2013
at 06:48 PM

VB, I'll let you know! When should I expect the crash? Tomorrow after eating salads and stuff again?

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 18, 2013
at 06:46 PM

It also doesnt make sense to start treating something I dont know I have or not. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" also, it's not like I'm eating refined foods or breads. It's just some fruits and vegetables that will go to waste!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 18, 2013
at 06:45 PM

I always feel much better the day after I eat junk food. It is a well-known phenomena that nobody can explain. But then you crash.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on February 18, 2013
at 06:21 PM

You think you may have SIBO, but you will not, "go full on" to try to alleviate because you have food you have to eat up first. Those foods are a sunk cost. Combs once said, "Good things satiate and bad things escalate", and that we must bound our hedonic predictions with regression effects. I would argue that the sunk costs are compounding a somatic marker reaction to your decision making.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 18, 2013
at 05:58 PM

Well, I dont see what point you are trying to make. I cannot assume what you thought when you posted that link

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 18, 2013
at 05:57 PM

I understand Sunk Costs as I am a finance and economics major, however I do not see how it relates to this discussion?

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

(803)

on February 18, 2013
at 05:51 PM

Im just curious how the fatigue goes along with this? If Im eating protein and vegetables, EVOO and other good fats why am I still getting fatigued when Im gaining weight. Obviously my body is taking in calories!

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on February 18, 2013
at 05:42 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 18, 2013
at 05:38 PM

I would love to let you know. I am going to call my university clinic and see if they can do it. First I need to get my most recent bloodwork and virus test results back. This whole process will take a while as my follow up is on March 1st. the weird thing is, I cheated pretty bad (PB and banana sandwich on whole grain and sourdough, vitamin d whole milk, ice cream, cookies and a piece of cake) on my diet yesterday as an experiment and while I felt bloated and bad and the brain fog was pretty bad, I feel really good today.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:47 PM

If you do get a test, could you please come back and tell us whether you have it or not? Here are the tips: pick lactulose test, not glucose (it is more accurate). Pick a 3 hour version. Don't do just hydrogen, it is misleading. Pick methane/hydrogen. If you do have SIBO, can you come back and tell me - I REALLY NEED TO KNOW otherwise I will be thinking that I am misleading people.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:44 PM

I learned about it the hard way. :(

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:44 PM

Paul - I do not know how to answer your question. I am not on this diet because I chose to be on it. I am on this diet because everything else makes me tired. If I had my choice, I would be eating chocolate ice cream all day long. And all night too. And sandwiches. And potato salad. And everything else.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:41 PM

I actually believe he has SIBO. The reason why is that all his symptoms match. I would like for him to come back and tell us whether he has SIBO or not based on a breath test (hydrogen methane, no hydrogen alone). If he does not - I am willing to stop making comments about SIBO or suggest that people take the test. I am 99.9% sure he has it. I think he probably has methane producing bacteria, but I could be wrong. I am saying methane because his symptoms are so severe.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:38 PM

www.siboinfo.com

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:38 PM

siboinfo.com tons of different blogs with SIBO patients

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 18, 2013
at 04:32 PM

For how long until you're cured? O.o I could not imagine doing this sort of diet for too long.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on February 18, 2013
at 04:32 PM

any links to websites, or other sources?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:32 PM

How is it working for you? How long does one have to be on a SCD?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:31 PM

Thanks VB! Didn't even know

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 18, 2013
at 07:22 AM

The stool test for SIBO can be misleading. Even the breath test is not 100% accurate, but the stool sample is not even 50%, because it does not show that the bacteria is in your small intestine. I have done my research as well.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:36 AM

Have you had yeast issues in the past? Could be a likely sign of SIBO. Easy way to check is to look at your tongue in the mirror. Is it white and filmy rather than pink? That's yeast overgrowth, unless you check right after brushing your teeth, lol.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

(803)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:27 AM

thank you. This is so perplexing to me. How I got so sick and still 4 months later, I have not fully recovered it seems. I look forward to hearing back what you find out!

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:08 AM

I too, have been suffering from these problems.

Low-sugar, has helped DRAMATICALLY!

I had severe rashes on the lengths of my arms and hands. I cut out all fruit (including tomatoes) and sweeteners... and four days later... they are gone!

It could be the fact that I cut out tomatoes. On the other hand, it could have been the sugar itself.

My problem is far from over, but that is the extent to which I've been successful. I still have anxiety. I still have issues sleeping at night. However, they've improved since I've gone low sugar and rashes went completely away after not eating tomatoes. Edit: Tomatoes have not gotten rid of the rashes completely, as they have sort of spontaneously been returning and then going away. Still suspecting it could be certain foods, still maintaining a supposed "SCD" without sweeteners of any kind or any fruit.

My suggestion is to go in for a SIBO breath test and stool test. I've done both of these and am waiting for the results. My naturopath is relatively positive that this is SIBO. I am still in the trial and error stage of discovering what it is for myself. I will try to keep you updated.

Edit #2:

Okay, so I found a link, this sounds effective! He essentially recommends to take some natural antibiotics while taking glutamine to effectively END SIBO! He feels as if it has cured his problem, and I am going to try it now! I am excited to see the results :) http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1707980

Edit #3:

I have had not much success with peppermint oil, if any, quantifiable success. Rather, it could be considered a better alternative to avoid encapsulated supplements as the contents of the capsules themselves seem to exacerbate SIBO. I have withdrawn from my sleep-aid as it has been counter-productive in my treatment.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:36 AM

Have you had yeast issues in the past? Could be a likely sign of SIBO. Easy way to check is to look at your tongue in the mirror. Is it white and filmy rather than pink? That's yeast overgrowth, unless you check right after brushing your teeth, lol.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:44 PM

I learned about it the hard way. :(

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

(803)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:27 AM

thank you. This is so perplexing to me. How I got so sick and still 4 months later, I have not fully recovered it seems. I look forward to hearing back what you find out!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 18, 2013
at 04:31 PM

Thanks VB! Didn't even know

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 18, 2013
at 07:22 AM

The stool test for SIBO can be misleading. Even the breath test is not 100% accurate, but the stool sample is not even 50%, because it does not show that the bacteria is in your small intestine. I have done my research as well.

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35e2b68d9339d815dd8fbab8292b3fd4

on June 01, 2013
at 03:32 PM

Things can't be right if you feel hungry. The right diet for you will make you calm and relaxed without side effects. Obviously you are here at Paleo but there are some other strategies around as well.

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7b20db75b09540914bd0c852e868a9d6

(454)

on February 18, 2013
at 07:28 PM

I don't yet know if I have SIBO, but I do get extreme bloating, burping, thirst and fatigue 1-2 hours after eating certain foods and it lasts for 4+ hours. Lately, I have been just eating bananas, eggs, plain meat and greek yogurt and I haven't had it in a while. Not a very complete diet, but its getting me by until I can take the test. I would definitely recommend following the FODMAPS thing.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 19, 2013
at 04:54 PM

Ic875, a zero-carb diet is ineffective as the foods are still translated to sugars in the mucous lining. Hence, the bacteria decide rather to feed off of this instead. If you try intermittent fasting for instance, you will see no benefit. The key here is to tend towards a more SCD while maximizing intake of garlic, ginger, cinnamon and other antibacterial foods (such as pepeprmint oil in enteric capsules or oil of oregano). Everyday that I have been following this regimen, I have seen much improvement. Take what I said with a grain of salt, and do your own research if you do not believe me.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

(803)

on February 18, 2013
at 07:32 PM

Greek yogurt really seems to help me feel better!

7b20db75b09540914bd0c852e868a9d6

(454)

on February 19, 2013
at 12:03 PM

because it says don't eat probiotics? it doesn't look like a very credible source/site. i don't know if probiotics make the situation worse or better, but if its one of the foods you can eat without getting bloated, i would listen to your body.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

(803)

on February 19, 2013
at 07:51 PM

I think maybe I have more of post-viral IBS if anything. But, I am having a lot of the symptoms associated with SIBO. However diarrhea and constipation is not one of them

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 19, 2013
at 05:03 PM

Yogurt should not make much of a difference in regards to digestive health. It does not contain enough probiotic strands to make a difference, nor are they live when you consume them. There are other health benefits to yogurt which explains why you may "feel better" or it may be placebic. There is also the consideration that you may not even have SIBO. Symptoms of course, vary from person to person. Diarrhea is a common symptom, although some patients feel constipation. If you do not experience either, I would doubt you have SIBO.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 19, 2013
at 04:48 PM

lc875, logically, the small intestine should not have very much bacteria in it. The problem is not having the "wrong" bacteria, it's having TOO MUCH bacteria, hence "bacterial overgrowth". The problem differs in c dificile patients whereas the good bacteria have all died off and probiotics may benefit. The source is reputable only in that it is his story of how he was successfuly able to treat his SIBO. You can do research yourself if you do not trust his sources on the effectiveness of the natural antibiotics he recommended.

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

(803)

on February 19, 2013
at 01:34 AM

But, then I read this: http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1707980 and I dont know anymore

7b20db75b09540914bd0c852e868a9d6

(454)

on February 19, 2013
at 12:03 PM

this isn't a good long term solution and you should definitely go to a GI if you can (make sure they they test for SIBO- not all do), but I suggest trying just plain meat and water for a day, and see how you feel. then in the following days, try adding a new FODMAP approved food (like carrots, oranges) and see if you get the bloat after you eat. that way, you can at least find a list of "safe" foods that you can eat til you find a more permanent solution. hope you feel better. :) i know it sucks.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 19, 2013
at 05:02 PM

Yogurt should not make much of a difference in regards to digestive health. It does not contain enough probiotic strands to make a difference, nor are they live when you consume them. There are other health benefits to yogurt which explains why you may "feel better" or it may be placebic. There is also the consideration that you may not even have SIBO. Symptoms of course, vary from person to person. Diahrea is a common symptom, although some patients feel constipation. If you do not experience either, I would doubt you have SIBO.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 20, 2013
at 12:05 AM

Digestive problems are core to SIBO. Acid reflux or heart burn and constipation or diarrhea, flatulence, belching, bloating are the main symptoms. Malabsorption of nutrients results in a myriad of symptoms, commonly fatigue, anxiety and depression. Vitamin deficiencies are common. If this does not describe you, I would probably look for other causes of your symptoms. The one test to determine whether or not you could have SIBO, is if you have bloating or belching right after about every meal.

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75d65450b6ff0be7b969fb321f1200ac

(2506)

on February 18, 2013
at 01:07 PM

What symptoms do you have that make you think you have SIBO? If you have IBS then I suggest you read Breaking The Vicious Cycle by Elaine Gottschall. This book will tell you about the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD); you can learn more if you Google "SCD". If you have GERD I suggest you read Fast Track Digestion Heartburn (Robillard). Robillard believes eating only modest portions of carbs from high glycemic sources; the higher the glycemic index the more likely carbs are absorbed by the body and not consumed by the SIBO. In either case...

1) You will need to follow a Paleo(-ish) diet.

2) You will need to follow a low(-ish) carbohydrate diet.

I have suffered from both IBS and GERD and a 50-60 grams/day carbohydrate Paleo diet works for me.

_Lazza

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on February 18, 2013
at 07:34 PM

VB, how long after you start a SIBO diet does the fatigue lift and brain fog clear? I'm not suffering now from the fog as much as the fatigue but I'm really wanting to get this kicked!

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on February 18, 2013
at 04:41 PM

I actually believe he has SIBO. The reason why is that all his symptoms match. I would like for him to come back and tell us whether he has SIBO or not based on a breath test (hydrogen methane, no hydrogen alone). If he does not - I am willing to stop making comments about SIBO or suggest that people take the test. I am 99.9% sure he has it. I think he probably has methane producing bacteria, but I could be wrong. I am saying methane because his symptoms are so severe.

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on February 18, 2013
at 06:48 PM

David, it is NOT ABOUT CALORIES. It is about what that bacteria is doing to your body. You think they only eat your food? Think again. They 1. slow down your metabolism 2. Produce toxins that enter your bloodstream and poison your mind (really) 3. Make gases that change your absorption rates 4. create leaky gut 5. develop biofilm that antibiotics won't kill them etc. etc. etc. Too many things to list. I will post another link for you.

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on February 19, 2013
at 07:48 PM

the thing is, Ive been low-ish carb for a while. aside from a few splurges on the weekends. Im about to start eating to treat IBS/SIBO and see if I get any relief!

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on February 19, 2013
at 12:43 PM

I have not been tested for SIBO but, without question, this is what I suffered from. As for fatigue and going low carb, I don't recall suffering from it long ... maybe a couple of days. But we're talking about cutting my carb intake from 100-150 grams/day to 50-60 grams/day. If you are consuming a lot of carbs now you will find going low carbs to be a struggle at first. Lastly I need to say: I feel great. Digestive tract is now functioning normally, I lost a little weight around my mid section, and I have energy. So a low-ish carb diet works for me. No telling how it will work for you.

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on February 18, 2013
at 04:32 PM

For how long until you're cured? O.o I could not imagine doing this sort of diet for too long.

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on February 18, 2013
at 05:51 PM

Im just curious how the fatigue goes along with this? If Im eating protein and vegetables, EVOO and other good fats why am I still getting fatigued when Im gaining weight. Obviously my body is taking in calories!

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on February 19, 2013
at 03:16 AM

Im interested in some sources regarding the bacteria and what they do, how to treat, etc.

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on February 18, 2013
at 07:30 AM

Here is one simple test that you can do on your own prior to getting the breath test (and I STORNGLY RECOMMEND TAKING a breath test as a baseline - you will have something to compare your progress to).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfQh3RbG2LI

If I were you, I would listen to Dr. Siebecker's podcasts. Here is one of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IoK_OZrm_o

Also, make sure to eat SCD. Check out there legal/illegal list. Here is what I can eat (I am not sure if you can eat the same things I do or not - your bacteria might be different):

grass-fed meat, partially raw

carefully separated raw egg yolks

raw cucumbers

raw carrots

I can eat liver, but I just hate it (I ate so much of it).

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on February 18, 2013
at 04:44 PM

Paul - I do not know how to answer your question. I am not on this diet because I chose to be on it. I am on this diet because everything else makes me tired. If I had my choice, I would be eating chocolate ice cream all day long. And all night too. And sandwiches. And potato salad. And everything else.

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on February 18, 2013
at 04:38 PM

www.siboinfo.com

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on February 18, 2013
at 04:32 PM

any links to websites, or other sources?

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:34 PM

I called my GP and got the answering machine. Left a message to schedule an appointment for possible SIBO/post infectious IBS but havent heard anything back yet. Would you recommend calling my GI? Or should I wait until I hear back on my blood work?

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on February 18, 2013
at 04:38 PM

siboinfo.com tons of different blogs with SIBO patients

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on February 18, 2013
at 06:53 PM

EDITED: you asked for more links http://paleodietlifestyle.com/you-and-your-gut-flora/ http://www.thepaleomom.com/2012/07/modifying-paleo-small-intestinal.html

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:27 PM

Hydrogen and methane bacteria requires different antibiotics. If you have methane, take metronidazole. It is very very safe and it has practically no side effects. You can use a combination of metronidazole and refaximin but refaximin won't work by its own. Also, a combination of three things: prokinetics, antibiotics and a diet. My doctor prescribed sac. boulardi one hour prior to taking antibiotics. I did not take them BUT I think I should have. I think I would feel better. Don't take motillium as a prokinetic, it is very bad. Also, erythromicine did not work for me.

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:32 PM

Also, does having a slip up cause a large set back? Or If Im slowly returning to normal health, will my body heal itself in the long run?

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on February 18, 2013
at 07:00 PM

http://scdlifestyle.com/category/improve-digestive-health/

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:29 PM

So you need to take a test to know what kind of bacteria so you can pick the right antibiotic.

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on February 18, 2013
at 04:32 PM

How is it working for you? How long does one have to be on a SCD?

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on February 19, 2013
at 09:10 PM

Again, sorry I don't know. If your doctor will be reluctant about doing it (and not too many doctors even know the symptoms, believe me) please find another doctor or something. Find a way. You can get the test done in 3 hours and will see the results. The blood work will take at least a couple of days or longer, depending on the lab.

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:11 PM

If they start me on antibiotics, would you recommend to take them?

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on February 18, 2013
at 06:59 PM

More links: http://chriskresser.com/category/podcasts I am sorry I was not able to find the podcast I was looking for. It is about acne, but it is actually about SIBO acne connection.

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on February 19, 2013
at 08:28 PM

If you have methane producing bacteria, yes, by all means ANTIBIOTICS is the only number. If you have mild hydrogen... I actually don't think your case is mild. So if they want you to take antibiotics go ahead and do that but remember you need to get the right one depending on what bacteria you have.

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on February 19, 2013
at 09:13 PM

I would not wait for the blood work, I would do the breath test as early as possible. I think that even if your test is negative, that will be one less thing for you to worry about. Also, find a cheaper way. Call around and see if where you can get it cheaper if your insurance does not cover it.

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