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Women and FAT intake.

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 31, 2011 at 11:45 PM

I know the premise of paleo is that carbs are "bad" and fats and proteins are good. For the most part I am totally on board with this.

I am a fitness competitor and have used paleo to cut to show weight before, with a lot of success. I was eating 1 fruit a day, 1 serving of nut butter and the rest of my cals in the form of meats and veggies. I did great and came in looking amazing.

I thought I might try a high fat, very low carb cut to see if I could do even better, but this wasn't the case. At 30g carbs a day, 40% protein and 50% fat, I feel puffy, tired, and I am actually gaining weight. I read somewhere that women use dietary fat with more efficiency than men, could this be the reason? How do you other women feel about this?

Keep in mind I am 5'9 and weight 138lbs currently at 16per cent BF. Maybe this is a leanness thing, or due to my training. Maybe I just need that fruit?

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on September 03, 2011
at 08:43 PM

there is a really great book called the ketosis diet that you might like. It's a long read, but super informative. Outlines what you have said here.

60af23519906aa54b742ffc17477c3d3

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on September 01, 2011
at 09:22 PM

That is very informative. So, possibly less fat, more protein and veggies.

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on September 01, 2011
at 07:23 PM

I think it depends on your metabolism and where you are at in your weightloss journey. I lost 15 lbs on a high fat Primal diet. Now I want to lose the last pound or two, I am cutting back on my fat.

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on September 01, 2011
at 07:03 PM

So high fat diet actually is not good for weight loss? :S So many different opinions, i don't know what to believe anymore

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on September 01, 2011
at 04:07 PM

carbs are not bad. "carbs" is a very general term and covers a lot of ground. quality of carbs is of primary importance. for people trying to lose weight, limiting carbs might help. gluten is "bad", grains are also "bad", though not as bad as gluten. fructose is "bad-ish". PUFAS are "bad-ish". macronutrients do not carry any inherent emotional value to them.

60af23519906aa54b742ffc17477c3d3

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on September 01, 2011
at 02:52 AM

Might have a lead on duck eggs, which apparently are generally safe for people with an allergy to chicken eggs.

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on September 01, 2011
at 02:51 AM

General consensus on carbs, as I see it, is this: most of our diet would have come from meat sources, and veggetation. Fruits would only be available seasonally, and tubers/corn would have been available once in a while, if found. SO yes, carbs are "bad" in the sense that they 1) promote inflammation and 2) weren't readily available for mass consumption. Show me a person who eats higher carb without fruit or sweet potatoes...

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on September 01, 2011
at 02:49 AM

Are you sure that you're allergic to the yolks and not just the whites? I hard-boil eggs and toss the whites, which give me a bad stomach ache.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on September 01, 2011
at 01:52 AM

Or, evening winter squash

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on September 01, 2011
at 01:51 AM

Atkins is more "carbs are bad". For paleo, it's "grains and legumes are bad" And, maybe you are doing too much PUFA and it is not about the carbs at all. But, you answered this yourself. You could be overtraining.

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on September 01, 2011
at 01:22 AM

"I know the premise of paleo is that carbs are "bad" and fats and proteins are good." This is NOT the premise of paleo. This is the premise of low-carb diets like Atkins. Paleo is not (necessarily) a low-carb diet.

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on August 31, 2011
at 11:53 PM

I would be so happy if it were egg yolks! But alas, I am allergic. I was thinking about the sweet potato though...morning hashbrowns!

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on August 31, 2011
at 11:49 PM

Sounds like you should just do what you know works and what also happens to make you feel better. You'd probably feel better and be healthier if that fruit were a sweet potato and that nut butter were some pastured egg yolks though.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on September 01, 2011
at 01:52 AM

Or, evening winter squash

Medium avatar

(39821)

on September 01, 2011
at 02:49 AM

Are you sure that you're allergic to the yolks and not just the whites? I hard-boil eggs and toss the whites, which give me a bad stomach ache.

60af23519906aa54b742ffc17477c3d3

(1186)

on August 31, 2011
at 11:53 PM

I would be so happy if it were egg yolks! But alas, I am allergic. I was thinking about the sweet potato though...morning hashbrowns!

60af23519906aa54b742ffc17477c3d3

(1186)

on September 01, 2011
at 02:52 AM

Might have a lead on duck eggs, which apparently are generally safe for people with an allergy to chicken eggs.

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on September 01, 2011
at 09:31 PM

You're too high on the protein percentage. Drop the protein to @20-25% and up the fat to 65-70% Too high on protein can make you really sick. IIRC 33% protein is about absolute top, but if you're low-carbing to drop fat fast, you don't want to eat too much protein or you won't go into ketosis.

60af23519906aa54b742ffc17477c3d3

(1186)

on September 03, 2011
at 08:43 PM

there is a really great book called the ketosis diet that you might like. It's a long read, but super informative. Outlines what you have said here.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on September 01, 2011
at 03:33 PM

My n=1 experience is that I needed to do high fat, low carb Paleo initially to balance my hormones and drop my carb cravings.

After 10 months of lacto-Paleo eating, I want to drop from ~22% body fat down a percentage point or two. I am going to drop down my fat calories and let my body utilized its stored fat.

Your n=1 experience supports this, as does the experience of quite a few women on the MDA forum.

Here's the thread & an excerpt:

*This is the article that made the most sense about fat:

The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D. ?? Low-carb and calories

One excerpt says it all: "On a low-carb diet your body burns fat for energy. But it doesn???t care where this fat comes from; it can come from the diet or it can come from the fat cells or it can come from both. If you are consuming enough fat to meet all your body???s requirements, your body won???t go after the fat in the fat cells no matter how severely you restrict your carbs. You will burn dietary fat only and no body fat. And you won???t lose weight. It???s that simple.

It has been shown countless times that when people go on low-carb diets they spontaneously reduce their caloric intake. Most foods available on low-carbohydrate diets are satiating and those following these diets get full quickly. They just don???t eat that many calories. In most studies of low-carb diets people drop their caloric intake down to the 1500-1700 kcal range and are quite satisfied. At that level of caloric intake, they need a fair amount of their own body fat to make up the difference between their dietary intake and the 2400-2600 kcal (or more) that they burn every day. As they consume this body fat, they lose weight."

When Taubes says calorie restriction is futile, he is talking about people with carbs running their metabolisms. Those of us long since over carbs are running on fat. But do you want to burn the fat on your fork or the fat on your tush?*

60af23519906aa54b742ffc17477c3d3

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on September 01, 2011
at 09:22 PM

That is very informative. So, possibly less fat, more protein and veggies.

59c52a4578162898664d334adebe68a7

(15)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:03 PM

So high fat diet actually is not good for weight loss? :S So many different opinions, i don't know what to believe anymore

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on September 01, 2011
at 07:23 PM

I think it depends on your metabolism and where you are at in your weightloss journey. I lost 15 lbs on a high fat Primal diet. Now I want to lose the last pound or two, I am cutting back on my fat.

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