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why does ice cream help me sleep thru night but sweet potato w/ butter doesnt?

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Created August 06, 2012 at 12:38 PM

From another thread here about waking up every night at 3ish -I found the suggestion of eating more carbs at night and a specific suggestion to eat ice cream at night. I tried the ice cream - worked like a charm - want something more healthy so tried a sweet potato with butter - same fat and carb grams as ice cream - didnt work - i woke up at 3:30 with my mind whirring - got up ate a few spoonfuls of ice cream and was able to go back to sleep. What's going on? and any suggestions of something paleo I can eat instead of ice cream?

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on August 07, 2012
at 11:15 PM

Is this conventional ice cream or homemade? Can you post the ingredients of the ice cream or take a pic of it?

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on August 07, 2012
at 03:52 PM

Yes, I'm 100% serious. Dairy, and this includes pretty much all dairy besides butter, gets your insulin going. Doesn't mean it gets your blood sugar up a lot though.

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on August 07, 2012
at 12:27 PM

"Sugar is not evil" is a broad brush-stroke and not true is some, possibly many, cases.

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on August 06, 2012
at 08:30 PM

Danny Roddy mentions that the big difference between starch and sugar is the CO2 (he called 'safe starches' a joke). Sweet potato could be very problematic (it is for me, I get stomach aches from them and don't like the taste at all anyways) due to carotene, indigestible stuff and starch. As far as I know sweet potatoes aren't high in sugar at all :S.

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on August 06, 2012
at 07:11 PM

if just a combo of fat, sugar and salt should work why didnt the sweet potato, butter and salt work - i.e. why sugar and not just carbs?

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on August 06, 2012
at 07:09 PM

had been eating gelatin with success for awhile but its not working anymore...i had been dropping the amount of honey in the gelatin mixture lately....

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on August 06, 2012
at 05:55 PM

If you're interested in a traditional Chinese medicine take on things, 3 a.m. is the time of the liver...

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 06, 2012
at 04:40 PM

Are you serious?

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on August 06, 2012
at 04:37 PM

Thank you janelle for not jumping on the 'sugar is the devil'-wagon. Surely sugar can't help you sleep, can it, it has be tryptophan or melatonin cause dairy has to be the end of the world as Grok didn't eat it :).

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on August 06, 2012
at 03:59 PM

thanks as I ve been plagued by this sleep pattern for months - I am fine with eating sugar if it gets me some sleep - just wondering why it seems to be sugar carbs specifically that seem to work?

17fb553e0238ad38511e9312c1b75d48

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on August 06, 2012
at 03:57 PM

thanks - melatonin makes me have restless, vivid dream sleep.

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on August 06, 2012
at 03:56 PM

nope - had been getting up and drinking water for several nights when this happened -didnt help at all.

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on August 06, 2012
at 12:48 PM

Could be the l-trytophan in dairy. Try chicken and avocado or banana, or a supplement wit 5-htp.. (or cheese or raw milk)

Protein, carbs and fat effect tryptophan absorbtion (I think protein interferes a little), so possibly the banana or perhaps the dairy might work the best..but if your strict paleo, no dairy, try either the chicken and avocado, or banana...

Experiment on those lines would be a good bet IMO.

Also, melatonin is a natural body hormone that is awesome for regulating sleep.

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on August 06, 2012
at 03:57 PM

thanks - melatonin makes me have restless, vivid dream sleep.

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on August 06, 2012
at 03:35 PM

That is a sugar crash, your adrenalin is surging causing racing thoughts and not being able to fall back asleep. The sugar in the ice cream will stop the stress response. Water would not do the same thing. Sugar is not evil.

17fb553e0238ad38511e9312c1b75d48

(25)

on August 06, 2012
at 03:59 PM

thanks as I ve been plagued by this sleep pattern for months - I am fine with eating sugar if it gets me some sleep - just wondering why it seems to be sugar carbs specifically that seem to work?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on August 06, 2012
at 04:37 PM

Thank you janelle for not jumping on the 'sugar is the devil'-wagon. Surely sugar can't help you sleep, can it, it has be tryptophan or melatonin cause dairy has to be the end of the world as Grok didn't eat it :).

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 07, 2012
at 12:27 PM

"Sugar is not evil" is a broad brush-stroke and not true is some, possibly many, cases.

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8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

on August 06, 2012
at 12:46 PM

I have no idea why - but a few weeks ago I was plagued w/ daily sinus headaches that only ice cream and/or chocolate would ease.

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 06, 2012
at 04:42 PM

Just a combination of fat, sugar, salt and maybe even some gelatin should do the trick. It'd be a nice experiment to see if that kind of meal works, as I'd like to know if it really was the tryptophan.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on August 06, 2012
at 08:30 PM

Danny Roddy mentions that the big difference between starch and sugar is the CO2 (he called 'safe starches' a joke). Sweet potato could be very problematic (it is for me, I get stomach aches from them and don't like the taste at all anyways) due to carotene, indigestible stuff and starch. As far as I know sweet potatoes aren't high in sugar at all :S.

17fb553e0238ad38511e9312c1b75d48

(25)

on August 06, 2012
at 07:11 PM

if just a combo of fat, sugar and salt should work why didnt the sweet potato, butter and salt work - i.e. why sugar and not just carbs?

17fb553e0238ad38511e9312c1b75d48

(25)

on August 06, 2012
at 07:09 PM

had been eating gelatin with success for awhile but its not working anymore...i had been dropping the amount of honey in the gelatin mixture lately....

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on August 06, 2012
at 04:23 PM

Casomorphin. And dairy is VERY insulinogenic and spikes insulin heavily in the same manner that wheat does.

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on December 09, 2014
at 09:01 AM

Premium ice cream is less than 13 % carbs and does NOT spike insulin levels.  That's why its on the list of foods for low carb/Atkins diet.  Breyers natural vanilla as an example.  

Regular ice cream is a different matter.  Read your labels when shopping.

 

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on December 09, 2014
at 09:01 AM

Premium ice cream is less than 13 % carbs and does NOT spike insulin levels.  That's why its on the list of foods for low carb/Atkins diet.  Breyers natural vanilla as an example.  

Regular ice cream is a different matter.  Read your labels when shopping.

 

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 06, 2012
at 04:40 PM

Are you serious?

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on August 07, 2012
at 03:52 PM

Yes, I'm 100% serious. Dairy, and this includes pretty much all dairy besides butter, gets your insulin going. Doesn't mean it gets your blood sugar up a lot though.

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7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

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on August 06, 2012
at 01:47 PM

Cherries naturally contain a lot of melatonin. So to add to Jamie's answer, you could include some cherries with the chicken/banana/avocado. Cherries go really nicely with chicken salad as well as with chicken curry.

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on August 06, 2012
at 01:42 PM

Had you simply gotten up for a glass of water in the middle of the night that might have worked, too.

17fb553e0238ad38511e9312c1b75d48

(25)

on August 06, 2012
at 03:56 PM

nope - had been getting up and drinking water for several nights when this happened -didnt help at all.

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