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"Whole" foods & vitamin ratios

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created February 24, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Following up on an earlier question contemplating the optimal "Paleo" vitamin dose, which foods would be good starting points for ascertaining recommended fat soluble vitamin ratios?

Do you know the A-D-K-E ratio of any "whole" foods?

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on February 26, 2010
at 04:34 AM

No sense? That's pretty strong. Speculative, sure, but no sense? Does this make sense: infants sunburn easily, need clothes/wrapped to stay warm, and can be born in the fall & winter. That milk has non-trivial amounts of vit-D suggests babies likely need D. Sure breast milk has D to the extent the mother has D in her system to fortify it, but that is true of all the vitamins. The more interesting question is, given a nutritionally complete mother, what vitamin ratios does her milk have? Do you believe they are random? So if they are not random, might they be what's necessary for good health?

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on February 26, 2010
at 02:20 AM

Infants an get vit D from the sun if you put them in the sun. Also, infant vitamin D is mostly from breast milk, which is fortified with vit D to the extent the mother goes out in the sun. Ratios in foods are not suggestive of proper ratios. This line of inquiry makes no sense.

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on February 25, 2010
at 01:21 AM

Fish, embryo, and infants do not get their D from the sun. Lacking research on A-D-K-E ratios, we can infer a ratio from milk, a lesser extent eggs, and lesser still fish (and yet other foods?). So if there is a shared underlying ratio, it could be suggestive of an optimal ratio to have in one's diet.

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on February 24, 2010
at 11:48 PM

As pointed out in the other thread, it makes no sense to include D in this, as paleo man got most of his D from the sun. The food that contains the most D, liver, probably contains too much A compared to D.

5740abb0fa033403978dd988b0609dfd

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on February 25, 2010
at 01:21 AM

Fish, embryo, and infants do not get their D from the sun. Lacking research on A-D-K-E ratios, we can infer a ratio from milk, a lesser extent eggs, and lesser still fish (and yet other foods?). So if there is a shared underlying ratio, it could be suggestive of an optimal ratio to have in one's diet.

5740abb0fa033403978dd988b0609dfd

(2633)

on February 26, 2010
at 04:34 AM

No sense? That's pretty strong. Speculative, sure, but no sense? Does this make sense: infants sunburn easily, need clothes/wrapped to stay warm, and can be born in the fall & winter. That milk has non-trivial amounts of vit-D suggests babies likely need D. Sure breast milk has D to the extent the mother has D in her system to fortify it, but that is true of all the vitamins. The more interesting question is, given a nutritionally complete mother, what vitamin ratios does her milk have? Do you believe they are random? So if they are not random, might they be what's necessary for good health?

C8debab64e0631590cb54b7db86f08e5

(296)

on February 26, 2010
at 02:20 AM

Infants an get vit D from the sun if you put them in the sun. Also, infant vitamin D is mostly from breast milk, which is fortified with vit D to the extent the mother goes out in the sun. Ratios in foods are not suggestive of proper ratios. This line of inquiry makes no sense.

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5740abb0fa033403978dd988b0609dfd

on February 24, 2010
at 10:07 PM

At the end of a long piece on cod liver oil manufacturing, naturally fermented oil seems to have an A:D ratio between 1:1 and 2:1.

The K quantity in naturally fermented oil is pretty low, 4-8 mg K per g of oil. But that should be no surprise as Price's experience was needing to add butter oil 23-25 mg K per g of oil to cod oil.

I need to look of the butter oil to cod oil ratio Price used to get an overall A:D:K, though at that point we are no longer dealing with a "whole" food.

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