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Weight-loss Stall for Obese

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created May 24, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Hi everyone, I have been on Paleo for nearly a month, since my initial weight loss of 10lb. I was at 345lb, now sitting between 333-335lb, weight fluctuates daily. I have been having difficulty losing additional weight. My diet is consist of mostly omelet, bacon, chili (no beans), chicken, no-carb sausages, and variety of veggies. I keep my net-carb <50g, I train 3-4 times a week in strength training, lifting heavy 4-8 reps x 4 sets, and on my non-lifting days perform light cardio, about 2-3 times per week for 30 min sessions. I supplement with omega-3, multi's, and glucosamine.

I am not sure if my body is recomping; therefore, the adjustment period, but it would be nice if it would start shedding some fat.

TIA!

EDIT:

JUNE 24, 2011

So I've basically followed everyone's advice in this thread, cut my carbs down to less than <20g of carb per day, I've continued to exercise on a regular basis, and have also tried a week of not exercising at all, yet I still can't figure out why I am still stalling.

I am currently at 329lb, dropped 4 lb since I started this post, but I've stalled again for 2 weeks now. Most of my diet is very natural with little processed foods, except with the occasional Coke Zero. I've replaced the processed bacon with unprocessed pork belly. I get plenty of rest, but I don't understand why I haven't been dropping any weight at all.

TYPICAL DAILY MEAL:

Breakfast - Coffee/Tea (a tsp or 2 of Heavy Cream), 3 Eggs, 2 slices of pork belly

Lunch/PreWorkout - A small bowl of taco beef (ground beef, taco seasoning, with a little bit of salsa), slice of melted jack or cheddar cheese on top (used to be on Keto, so I eat a bit of cheese here and there).

Dinner/PostWorkout - a small bowl of slow cooked pork shoulder (basically cooked in smoked sea salt and liquid smoke).

Snack - Almonds or Coke Zero (cutting that out), or Coffee or repeat Breakfast.

I drink at least a cup of Coffee or Tea per day, drink lots of water.

Thanks for everyone's help so far.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on July 04, 2011
at 10:24 PM

I followed your advice and began tracking my calories, and noticed that I've been overeating. I've restricted my caloric intake to 2000cals per day, and has dropped 8lb in a week. THANKS ALOT, ben!

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on June 26, 2011
at 07:06 PM

1. I weigh myself first thing in the morning everyday after I use the toilet, so there's consistency with my weigh-in. I don't see how weighing in everyday would be a bad thing unless there's inconsistency. 2. What's wrong with eating pork belly? mine are natural, and unprocessed food. People in the keto community eat bacon all the time, and thats processed, yet they lose weight. With all this talk of portion size and measurement control, I feel that I am back on ketogenic diet again, with the exception of eating cheese and soy beans.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 26, 2011
at 04:41 PM

Yeah you and I, who have no prob tracking and actually enjoy it, may very well be expressing our controlling nature:) I fully admit I enjoy being in control and have control freak tendencies:)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 26, 2011
at 01:12 PM

I agree, Ben. Weighing & Measuring is super important for me when I am trying to lose. I was formerly morbidly obese and have been maintaining a 100+ lb loss for years now and STILL COUNT. I like the control, but I'm a bit weird that way. I also found that planning my food at the beginning of the week for the whole week (leaving 200/300 cals "open") really helped. I liked knowing what and when I would eat next. Some people have issues with that though, you have to learn what will work for you.

16e617676c5ac710e5235e0b773edc0b

(2640)

on June 26, 2011
at 12:41 PM

Quoting from your post, "I am currently at 329lb, dropped 4 lb since I started this post, but I've stalled again for 2 weeks now." - If you're dropping weight, you're not stalled. If I'm misreading that, I apologize, but that's how it is reading from my end.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on June 26, 2011
at 08:06 AM

I get 8-9 hrs of sleep on a typical day. My stress is comparable to an average person. No I haven't gotten my thyroid checked. I take Vitamin D supplements daily. I am drinking about a gallon of water per day. I am not on any medication. I weigh myself daily, or every other day. I weigh myself first thing in the morning, on the same scale after I use the toilet.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on June 26, 2011
at 08:05 AM

My overall stall has been well over a month now from my original day of creating this post.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on June 25, 2011
at 06:27 PM

Yeah can you give us your menu? I agree that weight loss is NOT linear but I do understand your frustration. So you made the changes and then dropped 4 lbs in 2 weeks then nothing for the past 2? 1 pounds a week is not bad but at your weight I would expect a little bit more of a loss than that.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 25, 2011
at 04:52 PM

Cut out supplements.

31d6975807b09b8d46145d3dc7a69cdc

(127)

on June 25, 2011
at 02:13 PM

Take us through a typical day for you, what do you usually eat for breakfast/lunch/dinner? Also, cut out the Coke Zero. Artificial sweeteners still spike insulin

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on May 25, 2011
at 10:43 PM

I 100% agree with Shari's advice. As one who has been on the road since 99, the strategies she suggests have been a stalwarts in my "tools grab-bag." Sometimes it isn't just one thing...and I am very convinced that over time, we keep having to tweak and change up a bit - a bit of fooling the old body, sometimes.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:30 PM

A blood glucose monitor is your friend. Get one and use it. Then you have your answers. No sense cutting out something because it might be a problem is a problem for some others. No sense keeping something you never thought was a problem but is.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:24 PM

AXL, so far I haven't been able to increase my carb intake. I've tried twice, with tubers and veggies (and some berries), and the result was rapid weight gain -- over ten pounds in a month. There are some other theories floating around out there -- some people talk about resolving leptin resistance (paging Dr. K); others (like the guy at the FatFiction blog) think it's massive nutritional deficiencies. However, the people who bang on the loudest in the pro-carb camp do tend to be the ones who've never been obese, so caveat emptor there.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:14 PM

Rose, if my insulin is as resistance as you make it out to be, is this a condition that can be resolved later down the road if i drop my weight?

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:03 PM

Thank you for your insight. I will definitely start cutting that out as of today.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on May 25, 2011
at 07:17 PM

There is also the factor of bulk in the intestines causing gut distension which can raise blood sugar, if a person has abnormal blood sugar regulation. Dr. Richard Bernstein explains this in his book, Diabetes Solution.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 07:09 PM

Yeah, thanks for the encouragement, ladies. I am pretty committed in losing weight, so I will tweak my diet to the best of my ability. Until that is reached, I will bear my head down and push towards that goal. I've been gaining explosive strength, and my physique has gotten better in the last month since I've been on Paleo, so that has definitely kept me on this diet. The most frustrating part is not being able to see those results transpire on my scale. I am sure it will happen.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 03:37 PM

Encouragement is very important, I agree. Congrats, AXL, for sticking with it.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 04:58 AM

Yeah I will definitely give that a shot.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on May 25, 2011
at 03:26 AM

Because we just do. Coming from the low carb community where net carbs are usually what's referenced I had to learn that in the paleo community that is not the case. True they are not absorbed but that doesn't matter so much. It's just a different point of comparison. Can you tweak your menu to get your total carb counts below 50 which is where many of us believe is the fat burning sweet spot at least for those wanting to maximize fat loss. You may even want to see if you can manage to be happy under 30g.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 02:10 AM

Dietary fibre doesn't get absorbed in your system, so why would it count towards your daily carb intake?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:55 AM

You can delete it and repost as a comment if you really care, ben.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:53 AM

Shoot. Meant for this to be a comment for the bottommost answer. Sorry.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Good call on the 6:3 ratios. The OP listed processed things like sausages etc. These kind of foods just contain too many sheer ingredients to really be able to track what one is eating. Step number one eat only what you make from scratch at home. Track that. You will then have a road map that you will travel and then in one week, one month, one year etc you will be able to look back and know what has worked and what has not. Sausages don't help people. Doesn't matter that they're "paleo" "low-carb" or anything else.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:47 AM

There's no difference between net or whatever carbohydrate. It all counts. Not that I think you should drop your intake, just saying that carbohydrate content is carbohydrate content.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:46 AM

Heh -- quadruple. Missed the "fiber" part of your question, AXL. Most of us who eat this way find that fiber has been overrated, and that bathroom issues, if there were any, disappear. There's a "Poop thread" over on the Dirty Carnivore forum; you might want to take a look at that.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:36 AM

Sorry for the triple post -- I just want to amend my above statement to say "I've seen it fail some people." The people themselves didn't fail. :)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:34 AM

By the way, I was extreeeeemely skeptical when I tried zero-carbing. I only did it out of desperation; eating "purist" Protein Power (pretty much a paleo woe) didn't work, and Kwasniewski's Optimal Diet DEFINITELY didn't work. I figured I wouldn't die from a broccoli deficiency for one month, so why not try it? I did, and the results were spectacular. Not just weight loss, but health improvements. It's not a guarantee; I've seen some people fail. But it worked miracles on me.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:32 AM

From meat, silly. ;) Ounce for ounce, meat beats the pants off plants. And if you eat organ meats, I don't see what anyone would need veggies for at all, aside from flavor and personal taste. I don't miss them.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 12:46 AM

To add to my last post, I will try your suggestion. Thanks!

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 12:45 AM

To add to my last post, I will try your suggestion. Thanks!

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 12:42 AM

Many advised me to drop my carbs, but I wasn't aware that it was the OVERALL carbs they were referring to, and not the NET-carbs. I notice that many users on this forum have a tendancy not to specify which.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 12:38 AM

Rose, if you're eating less than 5g/carb per day, which practically leaves next to no room for veggies, where do you get the bulk of your vitamins, minerals and dietary fibre from?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 24, 2011
at 11:56 PM

Yep yep yep. That's all. :)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 24, 2011
at 11:37 PM

You will have times when this occurs. Keep staying the course. It's due to hormonal changes in fat tissue regulation.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 24, 2011
at 11:36 PM

Yep, CaveRat. My experience with dietary fat was similar for a long time, until I started to get within around ten pounds of what I felt was an optimal weight. Then my appetite for fat began to decrease on its own -- I'd never ever left fat from a ribeye on the plate before, lol. But that wasn't conscious; it just kind of happened. A few months I did a totally-dairy free challenge on the Dirty Carnivore forum and got down to 146, my lowest weight since I was twelve years old -- so now I'm trying to get rid of the cow crack again. But yes, I totally relate to your experience.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on May 24, 2011
at 11:22 PM

Agree with this also. I didn't do ANY extra exercise in the beginning, and only now, seven months later and 30 lbs lighter do I feel like moving more - and suddenly it's easy to "decide" to do pushups or whatever. And definitely more quality fat for the energy (which also keeps the temptation to binge at bay), fewer to zero carbs for the weight loss, and ditto on the sleep.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on May 24, 2011
at 11:18 PM

I'm with you on this, Rose. I almost certainly was prediabetic before I started (and *very* lucky to not become obese before changing my diet), and even now I'm very vulnerable to any amount of sugar in any form. If an ingredient has *any* added sugar I don't buy it. Even nuts and most cheese are too 'carb' for me and I'm compelled to overdo both. Don't touch fruit except the occasional berry. Salami has too much added sugar... and so on. Also unpopular to some: I eat *plenty* of extra fat. My biggest weight drops are always after I start adding more fat (butter!) to my diet. Weird, huh?

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on May 24, 2011
at 11:50 PM

Many advised you to drop your carbs last time you asked this but it looks like you decided not to do that? Did you implement any of the suggestions?

I agree with lowering your carbs. 50 NET carbs can be quite a lot for someone with metabolic issues. I have to cut carbs to the bone to lose. Under 30 and that's not net. I can maintain at a much higher level but to lose forget about it. Carbs must go.

If you look at what all the other formerly morbidly obese people like me are telling you it's pretty much the same. Try it maybe and see what happens?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 24, 2011
at 11:56 PM

Yep yep yep. That's all. :)

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on May 25, 2011
at 07:17 PM

There is also the factor of bulk in the intestines causing gut distension which can raise blood sugar, if a person has abnormal blood sugar regulation. Dr. Richard Bernstein explains this in his book, Diabetes Solution.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 04:58 AM

Yeah I will definitely give that a shot.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 02:10 AM

Dietary fibre doesn't get absorbed in your system, so why would it count towards your daily carb intake?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:47 AM

There's no difference between net or whatever carbohydrate. It all counts. Not that I think you should drop your intake, just saying that carbohydrate content is carbohydrate content.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 12:45 AM

To add to my last post, I will try your suggestion. Thanks!

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 12:46 AM

To add to my last post, I will try your suggestion. Thanks!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on May 25, 2011
at 03:26 AM

Because we just do. Coming from the low carb community where net carbs are usually what's referenced I had to learn that in the paleo community that is not the case. True they are not absorbed but that doesn't matter so much. It's just a different point of comparison. Can you tweak your menu to get your total carb counts below 50 which is where many of us believe is the fat burning sweet spot at least for those wanting to maximize fat loss. You may even want to see if you can manage to be happy under 30g.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 12:42 AM

Many advised me to drop my carbs, but I wasn't aware that it was the OVERALL carbs they were referring to, and not the NET-carbs. I notice that many users on this forum have a tendancy not to specify which.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 26, 2011
at 12:59 PM

Firstly, if you are trying to lift heavy weights in a recorded, increasingly resistant manner then I don???t believe less-than-20grams-carbohydrate is a good idea. Too little.

Everyone???s weight fluctuates daily so don???t monitor it like that. Think about it this way, after my workout I drink 16 ounces of fluid, as coconut water but it doesn???t matter. 16 ounces of liquid like that equals one pound of weight. If I weighed myself immediately after drinking it I???d weigh one more pound. Don???t monitor like that, you???ll drive yourself crazy.

Coke zero, even occasionally? Forget that. Drop it immediately. And get rid of junk like pork belly, etc.

Looking at your typical daily menu, I can immediately see that there is no real tracking. You don???t know how much you???re eating. ???A tsp or two of cream??? etc. Well, which is it? ???A small bowl of pork shoulder???? How much?

Eating "clean" is not enough to get to a low level of body fat. There must be a strategy in place to force the body into using more stored fat as fuel. When I ask someone how many grams of protein, carbs and dietary fat they consume the answer is usually very far off from reality. Without recording consumption there is no way to really know the totals of what are consumed. While many eat much more than they assume, a large percentage also eat far less than they think which causes a sluggish metabolism over time.

Going further into details I find that very few people eat correctly every day of the week. Some take an entire day to eat whatever they want- this will not work if you want to lose body fat. Others eat lunch or dinner out a few times per week and ignore the facts of what they are consuming. How about the snacks you grabbed in the office this week? Did you count those? Recording a week of eating is a real eye opener. My point? There has to be a plan in place to reach a specific set of goals.

Your days do not need to be filled with tedious measuring, after a week or so of keeping track of what you are eating you will have a better eye for portion sizes, etc, to ensure accuracy of what you are doing.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 26, 2011
at 04:41 PM

Yeah you and I, who have no prob tracking and actually enjoy it, may very well be expressing our controlling nature:) I fully admit I enjoy being in control and have control freak tendencies:)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 26, 2011
at 01:12 PM

I agree, Ben. Weighing & Measuring is super important for me when I am trying to lose. I was formerly morbidly obese and have been maintaining a 100+ lb loss for years now and STILL COUNT. I like the control, but I'm a bit weird that way. I also found that planning my food at the beginning of the week for the whole week (leaving 200/300 cals "open") really helped. I liked knowing what and when I would eat next. Some people have issues with that though, you have to learn what will work for you.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on June 26, 2011
at 07:06 PM

1. I weigh myself first thing in the morning everyday after I use the toilet, so there's consistency with my weigh-in. I don't see how weighing in everyday would be a bad thing unless there's inconsistency. 2. What's wrong with eating pork belly? mine are natural, and unprocessed food. People in the keto community eat bacon all the time, and thats processed, yet they lose weight. With all this talk of portion size and measurement control, I feel that I am back on ketogenic diet again, with the exception of eating cheese and soy beans.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on July 04, 2011
at 10:24 PM

I followed your advice and began tracking my calories, and noticed that I've been overeating. I've restricted my caloric intake to 2000cals per day, and has dropped 8lb in a week. THANKS ALOT, ben!

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on May 25, 2011
at 03:15 PM

Just wanted to add a bit of congrats for hanging in there on your plan even though you have been so frustrated. Most people would have bailed and decided to just be fat because they "can't lose weight no matter how hard they try." You didn't and that puts you way ahead of the pack.

Just keep tweaking until you find your sweet spot. I am not sure if cutting carbs is your answer but I'm petty sure that's the best place to start looking for it. Try to get by each day with as few as possible and then when those days come when you need more because you are hungrier than usual or just needing to eat for whatever reason then chow down on the veggies. If you find yourself feeling like you are suffering then maybe look at doing some carb cycling where you allow yourself those 75-100g carbs once day a week or you throw in a sweet potato or two for one meal a week. You have a long road ahead of you so figuring out some strategies for staying on the path but feeling happy and satisfied is well worth your time.

You will find your answers so keep the faith and just keep going. Many of us here have walked the road you are walking right now and lived to tell the tale. And so will you.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on May 25, 2011
at 10:43 PM

I 100% agree with Shari's advice. As one who has been on the road since 99, the strategies she suggests have been a stalwarts in my "tools grab-bag." Sometimes it isn't just one thing...and I am very convinced that over time, we keep having to tweak and change up a bit - a bit of fooling the old body, sometimes.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 07:09 PM

Yeah, thanks for the encouragement, ladies. I am pretty committed in losing weight, so I will tweak my diet to the best of my ability. Until that is reached, I will bear my head down and push towards that goal. I've been gaining explosive strength, and my physique has gotten better in the last month since I've been on Paleo, so that has definitely kept me on this diet. The most frustrating part is not being able to see those results transpire on my scale. I am sure it will happen.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 03:37 PM

Encouragement is very important, I agree. Congrats, AXL, for sticking with it.

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 24, 2011
at 11:05 PM

This probably won't be a popular answer, but the first place I'd look is the carb count. For many of us who are/were obese, carbohydrates are indeed the enemy. I lost 30 pounds the first few months I went low-carb, stalled for well over a year in the low 190s/high 180s (I'm 5'5", female, 47yo) and didn't go down any further until I cut carbs to under 5g/day, or virtually zero-carb (not technically, of course; only breatharians can claim to be truly zero-carb). I've been zero-carb for over two years, and maintain pretty easily at close to my ideal weight.

Twice I've tried adding some veggies and "safe" tubers back, and watched my weight soar back up. Some of us just can't handle carbs at all, even "safe" paleo ones. I have no idea if you're like that, but it's worth considering.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:36 AM

Sorry for the triple post -- I just want to amend my above statement to say "I've seen it fail some people." The people themselves didn't fail. :)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:46 AM

Heh -- quadruple. Missed the "fiber" part of your question, AXL. Most of us who eat this way find that fiber has been overrated, and that bathroom issues, if there were any, disappear. There's a "Poop thread" over on the Dirty Carnivore forum; you might want to take a look at that.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:34 AM

By the way, I was extreeeeemely skeptical when I tried zero-carbing. I only did it out of desperation; eating "purist" Protein Power (pretty much a paleo woe) didn't work, and Kwasniewski's Optimal Diet DEFINITELY didn't work. I figured I wouldn't die from a broccoli deficiency for one month, so why not try it? I did, and the results were spectacular. Not just weight loss, but health improvements. It's not a guarantee; I've seen some people fail. But it worked miracles on me.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on May 24, 2011
at 11:18 PM

I'm with you on this, Rose. I almost certainly was prediabetic before I started (and *very* lucky to not become obese before changing my diet), and even now I'm very vulnerable to any amount of sugar in any form. If an ingredient has *any* added sugar I don't buy it. Even nuts and most cheese are too 'carb' for me and I'm compelled to overdo both. Don't touch fruit except the occasional berry. Salami has too much added sugar... and so on. Also unpopular to some: I eat *plenty* of extra fat. My biggest weight drops are always after I start adding more fat (butter!) to my diet. Weird, huh?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 24, 2011
at 11:36 PM

Yep, CaveRat. My experience with dietary fat was similar for a long time, until I started to get within around ten pounds of what I felt was an optimal weight. Then my appetite for fat began to decrease on its own -- I'd never ever left fat from a ribeye on the plate before, lol. But that wasn't conscious; it just kind of happened. A few months I did a totally-dairy free challenge on the Dirty Carnivore forum and got down to 146, my lowest weight since I was twelve years old -- so now I'm trying to get rid of the cow crack again. But yes, I totally relate to your experience.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:32 AM

From meat, silly. ;) Ounce for ounce, meat beats the pants off plants. And if you eat organ meats, I don't see what anyone would need veggies for at all, aside from flavor and personal taste. I don't miss them.

8cf3ff123bc4e8fcb3a212804c701d22

(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:14 PM

Rose, if my insulin is as resistance as you make it out to be, is this a condition that can be resolved later down the road if i drop my weight?

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(11996)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:24 PM

AXL, so far I haven't been able to increase my carb intake. I've tried twice, with tubers and veggies (and some berries), and the result was rapid weight gain -- over ten pounds in a month. There are some other theories floating around out there -- some people talk about resolving leptin resistance (paging Dr. K); others (like the guy at the FatFiction blog) think it's massive nutritional deficiencies. However, the people who bang on the loudest in the pro-carb camp do tend to be the ones who've never been obese, so caveat emptor there.

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(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 12:38 AM

Rose, if you're eating less than 5g/carb per day, which practically leaves next to no room for veggies, where do you get the bulk of your vitamins, minerals and dietary fibre from?

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(20888)

on May 24, 2011
at 11:07 PM

I gave a similar answer to a similar question not too long ago (so search my history for mor detail): when you're starting a big weightloss journey, it's best to not do any real activity, especially the 30min cardio sessions. Weightloss (and fitness) is 90% diet. So just work on that. If you get restless, go for a nice walk (in the sun). Once the weight starts coming off, then start gradually adding in some weight training or something like that. But for now, diet and proper sleep are the most important things in your life.

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(2997)

on May 24, 2011
at 11:22 PM

Agree with this also. I didn't do ANY extra exercise in the beginning, and only now, seven months later and 30 lbs lighter do I feel like moving more - and suddenly it's easy to "decide" to do pushups or whatever. And definitely more quality fat for the energy (which also keeps the temptation to binge at bay), fewer to zero carbs for the weight loss, and ditto on the sleep.

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on May 25, 2011
at 09:53 PM

It has been my experience that taking GLUCOSEamine can stall you. I had a 90lb weight loss from Dec 99 -Set 02, and have maintained it since, other than about a 10lb gain in 06 when I added occasional gluten free low carb bread and soy based pancake mix. (BIG mistakes.) Over just a few months, I a massive return of joint pain (I am the survivor of 3 diagnosed and 2 other "iffy" autoimmune disorders, none of which i have now :) ) and about a 10lb weight gain. I pulled the wheat and soy and began taking glucosamine + chondroitin for the joint pain. Inspite of low carbing (which I had never strayed from anyway) and working out 3x/wk, no wt loss over many months. I began researching and found others who had the same experience with glucosamine. I pulled the glucosamine, which per some sources can raise blood sugar, and the months long stall immediately stopped.

It's worth a try...

http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/arthritis/a/Glucosamine.htm

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/807.html

http://www.jarretmorrow.com/glucosamine-diabetes-blood-sugar-levels/

Note that at least one of these links refers to recent research which concludes that glucosamine does NOT affect blood sugar and another one gives it an "iffy." But, I find it very interesting that both still direct that diabetics should closely minitor their blood sugar while taking it. So, what may be true is that it does raise blood sugar for some and doesn't for others.

And there is the following link which states that while glucosamine doesn't affect blood sugar directly, it may promote insulin resistance over time...Argh!

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA400108

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(24286)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:30 PM

A blood glucose monitor is your friend. Get one and use it. Then you have your answers. No sense cutting out something because it might be a problem is a problem for some others. No sense keeping something you never thought was a problem but is.

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(95)

on May 25, 2011
at 10:03 PM

Thank you for your insight. I will definitely start cutting that out as of today.

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on May 25, 2011
at 06:32 PM

Try drinking one ounce of water per pound of body weight, capping off at about a gallon and a half. If you haven't already, I would cut out nuts, fruit and dairy for a month and see if that helps(it usually does). Also, you may want to look into incorporating intermittent fasting into your plan...I'm newly experimenting with IF, and am pretty blown away by my experience thus far...good for you for getting on a healthy track, patience and perseverance will pay off!

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(166)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:01 AM

Everyones answers are right on point. But as Kim The Nourshing Cook states, home cooked food is best! When you are trying to lose those unwanted pounds you MUST be aware of everything that is going in your mouth. Not to mention that chili, sausage, and bacon are VERY high in fat, and msg (sodium=bloat). These are really not the best foods for weight loss. I lost 66 pounds and drinking water was my vice...it flushes toxins, impurities, and fat from our bodies. You should be drinking 1/2 to 1 gallon a day, depending upon how much you sweat, etc. But really drink, drink, drink, clean pure water.

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on May 25, 2011
at 03:13 AM

What other ingredients are in your food? Are you eating a lot of processed foods, prepared outside of your house? The chili, sausages and bacon could all have MSG in them. Every time I get into the MSG my weight loss stalls. Nothing can replace the quality of home cooked food.

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on May 25, 2011
at 03:00 AM

I keep my carbs under 20 grams a day. I'd gain if I went up to 50. I only really eat veggies at dinner and keep it o all animal foods for breakfast and lunch. Some days I don't have veggies at all and instead get my carbs from liver. I'd cut the carbs for sure and maybe even start tracking your calories on fit day. I stalled out for a month because I was overdoing the cream and coconut milk. It was putting me WAaaaaaay over what my body needed.

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(6433)

on May 24, 2011
at 11:49 PM

I would cut back on (if not completely eliminate) the bacon and chicken. Both meats contain a large proportion of O6 PUFA, and will prevent you from achieving the correct O6:O3 ratio, which is so important for weight loss. Eggs also contain significant O6, so watch your intake of those as well. Favour fish and ruminant flesh for your protein/fat calories. Total calories from PUFA should not exceed 4%, at a ratio of 1:1 to 1:4 in favour of O6.

Most people are deficient in vitamin D (which is important for weight loss). Your multivitamin won't contain sufficient amounts to get your levels up to an optimal level. Ideally, get your levels tested and buy a separate vitamin D supplement according to how deficient you are.

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(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Good call on the 6:3 ratios. The OP listed processed things like sausages etc. These kind of foods just contain too many sheer ingredients to really be able to track what one is eating. Step number one eat only what you make from scratch at home. Track that. You will then have a road map that you will travel and then in one week, one month, one year etc you will be able to look back and know what has worked and what has not. Sausages don't help people. Doesn't matter that they're "paleo" "low-carb" or anything else.

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(195)

on May 24, 2011
at 10:58 PM

If you are judging progress just by the number on the scale, you might be disappointed. Have you seen changes in how your clothes fit, or in your body shape in general?

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on June 26, 2011
at 11:47 AM

Has there been any change in your body composition at all? You may not be shifting on the scales but has your body changed shape at all? If you're working out, you may be gaining muscle at a similar rate to losing fat. This happened to me a while ago when I was very strictly eating low-carb, high protein and playing sport. I didn't shift much on the scales but my body changed shape. Muscle weighs more than fat. Get a measuring tape, just in case your eating habits and workouts aren't in vain after all!

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(892)

on June 25, 2011
at 04:37 PM

Just thought I'd ask about a few other potential factors... How's your sleep and stress levels? Have you gotten your thyroid thoroughly checked? How about vitamin D levels? How much water are you drinking? Any meds that may be making it harder to lose weight?

Also, since you're really focused on the scale, do you weight yourself daily or just once a week? Do you weight yourself first thing in the morning? Do you always use the same scale? I think it's a good thing to track, but as someone else pointed out, 2 weeks isn't really long enough to be called a stall...

I'll also add my voice to others: maybe switch your meats more to unprocessed grassfed beef instead of chicken and sausages. best of luck!

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(95)

on June 26, 2011
at 08:06 AM

I get 8-9 hrs of sleep on a typical day. My stress is comparable to an average person. No I haven't gotten my thyroid checked. I take Vitamin D supplements daily. I am drinking about a gallon of water per day. I am not on any medication. I weigh myself daily, or every other day. I weigh myself first thing in the morning, on the same scale after I use the toilet.

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on June 25, 2011
at 03:03 PM

A stall is not defined as not losing for 2 weeks. Your body will take time to adjust to the weight loss, it's not like it will all just melt off instantly and consistently. It took time to put it on and it takes more time to get it off, just keep with it and don't give in to temptation. Some people find that increasing their water intake can help jumpstart weight loss again but seriously, a stall is when you're stuck for way longer than a week or two.

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(2640)

on June 26, 2011
at 12:41 PM

Quoting from your post, "I am currently at 329lb, dropped 4 lb since I started this post, but I've stalled again for 2 weeks now." - If you're dropping weight, you're not stalled. If I'm misreading that, I apologize, but that's how it is reading from my end.

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(95)

on June 26, 2011
at 08:05 AM

My overall stall has been well over a month now from my original day of creating this post.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:52 AM

Good call. Scales suck. Mirror, good lighting and a camera will do you much better. You want less jiggles, to be blunt. Jump up and down naked - what shakes you want less of. Ignore the scale.

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(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:53 AM

Shoot. Meant for this to be a comment for the bottommost answer. Sorry.

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(18701)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:55 AM

You can delete it and repost as a comment if you really care, ben.

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