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Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 10, 2013 at 5:43 AM

This is a great website. Thanks for all the help so far. So I cut out the chocolate, processed foods, fruit, had 21 days of withdrawal (day 21 was worst), candida die off etc etc. The cravings stopped. Brilliant. None of the daily trips to the coffee shop to feel the addiction by buying hot chocolate and chocolate (sugar). Cut out dried fruit and nuts entirely too. I have no dairy (except some butter on my veg).

So surely eating only meat/veg I should be losing a ton of weight weekly. I have lost probably 5 pounds in all. The aim was to be 147 pounds by end of June (about 5 pounds lost) , 140 end of July, 133 end of August etc. So the first month was fine - got to 147 pounds 2 weeks early. Nothing since. I could maintain my weight with chocolate and nuts and raisins and loads of fruit. So you wonder what the point is of cutting those out if no weight will ever be lost again.

My plan was - hate counting calories, eat lots of fat so don't feel hungry, eat my 3 meals a day (I feel awful if I miss meals due to blood sugar levels, PMT etc) but eat as much meat, fish, eggs and veg as I want to. Occasionally I have had one sweet potato or a baked potato before bed but nothing excessive.

Any ideas as to what I should eat without having to count calories to lose the next 7 pounds which I am unlikely now to lose by end of July now but if I could just inch the scales below the number 7 so I was nearer what we call in the UK 10 stone than 11 stone, I would feel psychologically better.

Of course I know what must be happening. I must be eating so much fat that that is where the calories are coming from I suppose.

Typical day - 3 slices of bacon grilled, 3 egg yolks poached. Lunch - salmon (or steak) grilled with half a small butter nut squash with butter and spinach with butter. Dinner - 2 egg omlet with chicken (or fish or some other meat) with 6 slices of courgette and a bit of red or green pepper. Occasionally snack on raw swede (and occasionally raw carrots if been doing more physical activity - I sawed back a lot of garden hedges yesterday which was quite hard physical work).

This is for looks not just health (although now I am off sugar and every time I come off it I stop crying each day and feel happier so health does come into it). My normal weight has always been up to or under 126 pounds (I am quite short).

SO I just want to get the weight loss going again. Should I try eating no veg for a day but that would probably make me feel awful. If I gave up the butter/fats I would be so hungry. I have always loved the fat on chicken and beef etc so highish fat I thought was working very well for me. There is a bit of urgency as the family wedding is in 2 months' time and I don't want to buy my clothes until the next 14 pound have gone.

I could try I.F. and I had a period when the high fat seemed to stop me needing the next meal. I don't know why that stopped. Perhaps I just got used to the higher fat so my appetite went back to normal. I don't think IF would work for me unless I can get fat so much higher that I stop being hungry for meals.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 13, 2013
at 09:27 PM

i have no problem eating well and going to great restaurants, having sex with great ppl. but i think most americans overdo just that, and hence they're fat and diabetic, with depression. like u said, balance is key.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 13, 2013
at 09:25 PM

yeah im crazy lol im a budding Jack Kruse v2.0. i sound a bit extreme but i'm really not. napoleon was a notorious womanizer (hardly abstinent) and yet he even knew to curb himself. he knew his limits and that is imo the key to achievement

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on July 13, 2013
at 01:33 AM

@DH - but super rad that you are going after your dreams with alot of focus and energy. I applaud that and hope you forgive and indulge my snarky sarcasm. I am a believer in the quest for a more balanced life, and I have struggled with addictive behavior as well. However, I think much of the beauty in life is about being able to balance pleasure and duty. It's difficult - the extremes are always easier. I wish you all the luck with your schooling! Change the world, just don't conquer my neighborhood and take away my pleasure palaces!

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on July 13, 2013
at 01:24 AM

@DH - hahahahahahahahahahaha! You are taking advice on living life well from NAPOLEON. again - hahahahahahahahaha! That is super hysterical! Yes, pity us, who eat well and go to great restaurants and have great sex with people we care about and who care about us. You should go conquer a nation instead of preoccupying yourself with lives little dopamine hits. I imagine you want to see the trees, but there is a forest in your way.

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on July 13, 2013
at 01:20 AM

extra fat was really helpful for me, too - and I am slowly reducing my carbs. It's a journey that can (and should, in my opinion) take years for those pounds to be a permanent loss.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 12, 2013
at 11:01 PM

(napoleon's wisdom)

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 12, 2013
at 11:01 PM

http://imgur.com/a/6vG5u

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on July 12, 2013
at 04:53 PM

I guess different things work for different people... I have been slender and healthy my entire life by not being scared of being hungry at times. If you spent years over eating then it does not hurt anything to slightly under eat for a bit and even your weight back out.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 12, 2013
at 01:14 AM

the same pleasure and brain real estate that can be used to say, change the world (advocate Paleo? :P), fuel our creativity, boost our friendships and relationships with important ppl in our lives, focus on your children and career. i used to be so addicted to food, sex, alcohol (and Rx meds) that my brain was too fogged to pursue my real dreams of medicine

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 12, 2013
at 01:11 AM

more like your lives are boring if all you preoccupy yourself is with pleasure (dopamine hits) from eating and sexing. most of us waste our brains on sex and food and never see the beauty of the world and people around us. i was the same too, addicted to short term pleasures. once you get over the hump your brain will see things differently. I read an excerpt written by Napoleon about wasting one's energy and vitality on gourmet food and too much sexual pleasure. the man understands brain real estate wasted on that equals brain real estate taken away from real drive and accomplishment

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

(1169)

on July 11, 2013
at 08:26 PM

I am not sure how well that would go down with most husbands - not tonight darling otherwise I'll get fat..... However yes the rest is good. I love lamb. Must buy some. I only ever drink water and never have caffeine or alcohol so that's easy. Only dairy is butter. I think I'll keep the eggs for now and up the fat and see how it goes. Everyone has been very helpful on the thread.

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

(1169)

on July 11, 2013
at 08:25 PM

I am always in favour of upping quantities.... laughing as I type. I am not in starvation really at all. I always seem to eat a lot more than most people but you're right about fat. I think fat is the key to this for me - more fat, less carb.

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

(1169)

on July 11, 2013
at 08:24 PM

Good idea. I had a day with some baked potato and now a day without much carb and feel much better.

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

(1169)

on July 11, 2013
at 08:23 PM

51, 5 foot 4. in theory it was losing 28 pounds from January by end of September which is not really very fast but it took a long time to get started. I don't think I've lost more than 1 pound a week in my life actually on a regular basis so that's more likely to be realistic. I think by looking at what has high carbs (butter nut squash etc) which I eat and cutting that back I may have made a breakthrough. I do think more fat is the answer for me and I feel really good today. This link on fat is helpful http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?pagewa

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on July 11, 2013
at 08:20 PM

what a boring life one would have - no pleasure from food, no pleasure from drink, no pleasure from sex. Cut out all the joy in life so we can get thin so that we can enjoy our lives. Yea THAT makes sense! ;P

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 11, 2013
at 12:39 AM

If given the choice between being overweight, but having lots of sex, or being "ideal" weight, but having no sex, I would take the former anyday.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 11, 2013
at 12:21 AM

no u dont have to eat less and be hungry. that's just ignorance. i used to be 290lbs and im now under 180 w/o any hunger ever. just follow my advice (ZC can be kinda boring, but at least you'll be fully satiated!) and you can do this

3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

(1354)

on July 10, 2013
at 04:41 PM

Well it sounds like you have a good "One-Two Punch" there, then! That is, knocking out sugar both makes you physically AND mentally healthier than before.

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

(1169)

on July 10, 2013
at 04:33 PM

I was afraid that would be so. I was hoping I could eat as much fat and protein as I liked and lose a lot of weight. Sigh.... I never feel hungry when I go to bed. It sounds like even if you give up all junk, even fruit and nuts and raisins and cheese, even if just about all potato/rice carbs you still don';t lose an iota of weight if your calories are not less than those you expend. In other words you have to suffer. I was hoping not, that even more fat might make me eat less.

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

(1169)

on July 10, 2013
at 04:31 PM

Yes, even if I lost no weight, being sugar free is great for me. I've never had depression as such but if I eat sugar then there is usually something each day particularly before my period that makes me cry. When I am not eating it I virtually never cry. I think sugar addicts with that body biochemistry are like that.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 10, 2013
at 05:49 AM

Try not to eat after 6:00. It has something to do with gut bacteria and how it functions. Eating three meals per day and sweet potatoes sometimes is great. I would eat more veggies at night every third day. For example, on a third day you can add carrots or even a beet (unless you get a sugar spike after that). Drink lots of water and add some garlic with two meals - again, for bacteria.

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A003a0e704118f11b86a6e1fbbb13cd7

on July 10, 2013
at 03:32 PM

I'm not an expert, but perhaps you're eating a bit too much protein? I'd make sure most of your plate is filled with veggies and just one serving (palm size) of protein.

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Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 11, 2013
at 12:10 AM

go on a Zero Carb diet. eat beef, lamb, fat and drink water. no diet drinks, cut down the caffeine/alcohol, no carbs, cut down on the vegetables for a few weeks (could be plateauing you if you're super sensitive to carbs...i sure am). cut out dairy and eggs too just in case they're hidden food sensitivities that cause you inflammation.

sleep alot, moderate exercise, no snacking, also cut down on the sexing/masturbation. no joke it elevates prolactin and high prolactin leads to weight gain in many men/women.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 11, 2013
at 12:39 AM

If given the choice between being overweight, but having lots of sex, or being "ideal" weight, but having no sex, I would take the former anyday.

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on July 11, 2013
at 08:20 PM

what a boring life one would have - no pleasure from food, no pleasure from drink, no pleasure from sex. Cut out all the joy in life so we can get thin so that we can enjoy our lives. Yea THAT makes sense! ;P

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 12, 2013
at 11:01 PM

(napoleon's wisdom)

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 12, 2013
at 01:14 AM

the same pleasure and brain real estate that can be used to say, change the world (advocate Paleo? :P), fuel our creativity, boost our friendships and relationships with important ppl in our lives, focus on your children and career. i used to be so addicted to food, sex, alcohol (and Rx meds) that my brain was too fogged to pursue my real dreams of medicine

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

(1169)

on July 11, 2013
at 08:26 PM

I am not sure how well that would go down with most husbands - not tonight darling otherwise I'll get fat..... However yes the rest is good. I love lamb. Must buy some. I only ever drink water and never have caffeine or alcohol so that's easy. Only dairy is butter. I think I'll keep the eggs for now and up the fat and see how it goes. Everyone has been very helpful on the thread.

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on July 13, 2013
at 01:33 AM

@DH - but super rad that you are going after your dreams with alot of focus and energy. I applaud that and hope you forgive and indulge my snarky sarcasm. I am a believer in the quest for a more balanced life, and I have struggled with addictive behavior as well. However, I think much of the beauty in life is about being able to balance pleasure and duty. It's difficult - the extremes are always easier. I wish you all the luck with your schooling! Change the world, just don't conquer my neighborhood and take away my pleasure palaces!

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 12, 2013
at 01:11 AM

more like your lives are boring if all you preoccupy yourself is with pleasure (dopamine hits) from eating and sexing. most of us waste our brains on sex and food and never see the beauty of the world and people around us. i was the same too, addicted to short term pleasures. once you get over the hump your brain will see things differently. I read an excerpt written by Napoleon about wasting one's energy and vitality on gourmet food and too much sexual pleasure. the man understands brain real estate wasted on that equals brain real estate taken away from real drive and accomplishment

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 12, 2013
at 11:01 PM

http://imgur.com/a/6vG5u

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on July 13, 2013
at 01:24 AM

@DH - hahahahahahahahahahaha! You are taking advice on living life well from NAPOLEON. again - hahahahahahahahaha! That is super hysterical! Yes, pity us, who eat well and go to great restaurants and have great sex with people we care about and who care about us. You should go conquer a nation instead of preoccupying yourself with lives little dopamine hits. I imagine you want to see the trees, but there is a forest in your way.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 13, 2013
at 09:25 PM

yeah im crazy lol im a budding Jack Kruse v2.0. i sound a bit extreme but i'm really not. napoleon was a notorious womanizer (hardly abstinent) and yet he even knew to curb himself. he knew his limits and that is imo the key to achievement

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 13, 2013
at 09:27 PM

i have no problem eating well and going to great restaurants, having sex with great ppl. but i think most americans overdo just that, and hence they're fat and diabetic, with depression. like u said, balance is key.

0
C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 10, 2013
at 11:37 PM

By what little you eat, it sounds like your body has entered into more of a starvation mode. I would suggest upping your quantities a bit at least one or two days per week. That tends to break plateaus that are based on a slowed metabolism. As for you saying missing meals affects your blood sugar, if you are fat adapted, then missing meals should not be a problem. As to exercise, maybe do some high intensity intervals once or twice per week also, as that will boost metabolism.

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

(1169)

on July 11, 2013
at 08:25 PM

I am always in favour of upping quantities.... laughing as I type. I am not in starvation really at all. I always seem to eat a lot more than most people but you're right about fat. I think fat is the key to this for me - more fat, less carb.

0
618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on July 10, 2013
at 11:28 PM

How old/tall are you? I wonder how wise it is to try to lose large amounts of weight fast for an event. Of course it CAN be done, but part of why paleo works so well is that your body is what takes the lead, rather than you trying to force your body into something it isn't comfortable doing. You can start building muscle, which will make you more metabolically active - this will take time.

It seems to me that you are looking for a free ride - you want to eat alot, not exercise much, and lose a bunch of weight by a particular time. Why not do what you're doing, move a little more, and be cool with the pace of your weight loss. Just because you aren't losing on YOUR time line doesn't mean your aren't going to be losing in the long run.

I'm sure you will look fantastic at the wedding.

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on July 13, 2013
at 01:20 AM

extra fat was really helpful for me, too - and I am slowly reducing my carbs. It's a journey that can (and should, in my opinion) take years for those pounds to be a permanent loss.

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

(1169)

on July 11, 2013
at 08:23 PM

51, 5 foot 4. in theory it was losing 28 pounds from January by end of September which is not really very fast but it took a long time to get started. I don't think I've lost more than 1 pound a week in my life actually on a regular basis so that's more likely to be realistic. I think by looking at what has high carbs (butter nut squash etc) which I eat and cutting that back I may have made a breakthrough. I do think more fat is the answer for me and I feel really good today. This link on fat is helpful http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?pagewa

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Dd61f42b211a69f5899fc1ae1d2460bf

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on July 10, 2013
at 10:44 PM

I think your body adjusts to your eating plan and you need to switch it up every once in awhile. For example, I was maintaining pretty well on my low carb diet for a long time. For 6 years or so I ate a healthy low carb diet with lots of protein and vegetables no per-packaged low carb crap stuff. I had good success except for large gains when pregnant but I was always able to lose afterwards. When I started to slowly gain over the next several years I researched and started Paleo. Now I have been trying IF successfully for several months. I have come to realize over the past 15 years that I'll always need to switch it up over time if I want to successfully maintain.

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

(1169)

on July 11, 2013
at 08:24 PM

Good idea. I had a day with some baked potato and now a day without much carb and feel much better.

0
3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

(1354)

on July 10, 2013
at 04:07 PM

...although now I am off sugar and every time I come off it I stop crying each day and feel happier so health does come into it...

There are many who strongly believe that a happy, low stress, life is critical to fat loss. In some ways this sounds circular ("I WOULD be happier and stress free if this damned fat would just leave first!"). However, finding some personal zen in your life may prove to be a crucial corner to kickstarting fat loss.

3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

(1354)

on July 10, 2013
at 04:41 PM

Well it sounds like you have a good "One-Two Punch" there, then! That is, knocking out sugar both makes you physically AND mentally healthier than before.

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

(1169)

on July 10, 2013
at 04:31 PM

Yes, even if I lost no weight, being sugar free is great for me. I've never had depression as such but if I eat sugar then there is usually something each day particularly before my period that makes me cry. When I am not eating it I virtually never cry. I think sugar addicts with that body biochemistry are like that.

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2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

If you are not losing weight then you probably just need to eat less. Can you try to incorporate more exercise and burn a few hundred calories a day or maybe cut your dinner in half? To lose weight you should feel a bit hungry when you go to sleep. If you are eating such that your body has to burn fat reserves then it may be a bit uncomfortable and you will want more food.

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on July 12, 2013
at 04:53 PM

I guess different things work for different people... I have been slender and healthy my entire life by not being scared of being hungry at times. If you spent years over eating then it does not hurt anything to slightly under eat for a bit and even your weight back out.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on July 11, 2013
at 12:21 AM

no u dont have to eat less and be hungry. that's just ignorance. i used to be 290lbs and im now under 180 w/o any hunger ever. just follow my advice (ZC can be kinda boring, but at least you'll be fully satiated!) and you can do this

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

(1169)

on July 10, 2013
at 04:33 PM

I was afraid that would be so. I was hoping I could eat as much fat and protein as I liked and lose a lot of weight. Sigh.... I never feel hungry when I go to bed. It sounds like even if you give up all junk, even fruit and nuts and raisins and cheese, even if just about all potato/rice carbs you still don';t lose an iota of weight if your calories are not less than those you expend. In other words you have to suffer. I was hoping not, that even more fat might make me eat less.

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