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Was safe a poor choice of words when describing starch and fat?

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Created March 10, 2012 at 6:48 AM

Was safe a poor choice of words? With regards to safe starch and fats what does the term safe mean to you? Was there a better term to use?

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on March 11, 2012
at 02:53 PM

But who calls grains and legumes "starches"? Nobody I know ever did. I always considered legumes just legumes (mostly protein) and grains grains (carbohydrates). I really get the feeling I'm missing something here. Occam's razor, anyone?

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on March 11, 2012
at 12:24 AM

You spend too much time reading rat studies and you start to get disconnected with reality. There is a non-negligible fraction of people who do not do well on low carbs, **even in winter**. So stop lab-coating and enter the real world.

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

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on March 11, 2012
at 12:13 AM

Stressing about NPY in winter is worse for your health than NPY in winter......period.

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

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on March 11, 2012
at 12:07 AM

The Quilt is right, I once ate a carb in winter. Now I'm fat, and I have cancer. Same thing killed my sister.

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

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on March 11, 2012
at 12:06 AM

Phytic acid has health benefits, life isn't black and white.

D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

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on March 10, 2012
at 05:03 PM

I'm just happy I can eat a handful of blackberries without going into a coma or getting diabeties (got to prepare for winter hm Jack?).

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 10, 2012
at 03:27 PM

nothing is safe if it increase NPY in winter.....period.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on March 10, 2012
at 02:05 PM

I think it's a matter of degree, too. Gluten can indeed be dangerous for some people and is unhealthful for everyone. I suppose a word had to be used to differentiate things that are more harmful (dangerous?) like gluten and grains from things that are less harmful like sweet potatoes and potatoes. I just don't personally think "safe" was a good choice. Pushed to come up with another word, though, I'd pick something like "neutral" or "healthy".

D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

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on March 10, 2012
at 12:52 PM

Safe starch isn't used as a phrase. It's a concept. Not hard to grasp unless your brain is chronically deprived of glucose of course.

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on March 10, 2012
at 12:07 PM

I don't know ... starches that don't have anti-nutrients like photic acid, lectins, glutin, etc is accurate but who wants to use that ;).

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on March 10, 2012
at 12:04 PM

But it is pretty much a paleo principle that grains and legumes are not healthful foods owing to their anti-nutrients.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on March 10, 2012
at 11:44 AM

well when wondering about what a word means, a lot of people go to a dictionary.

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on March 10, 2012
at 09:40 AM

Thank You Nigel!!!

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at 08:17 AM

Very Cool! Thanks orust!!!

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E4f858a9178422502c42b9719690e52c

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on March 10, 2012
at 08:06 AM

I don't like food couched in terms of danger and safety, it feels too much like orthorexia. "Safe starch" is framing the issue from a low-carber's perspective - "you can get away with this". If you're comfortable with the idea we've been eating tubers for hundreds of thousands of years they're just normal starches. Ditto normal dietary fats. If you're switching from a very low carb diet how about acceptable starch to get the ball rolling :)

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at 08:17 AM

Very Cool! Thanks orust!!!

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on March 10, 2012
at 09:10 AM

Paul Jaminet made it perfectly clear that the word "safe" referred to the lack of glutens that could cause problems for some people.

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on March 10, 2012
at 09:40 AM

Thank You Nigel!!!

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 11, 2012
at 12:04 AM

I find it hilarious that somebody thought up the phrase "Safe starches".

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D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

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on March 10, 2012
at 10:52 AM

Not a poor choice at all.

If the low carbers actually bothered to read Paul's blog they'd know perfectly what a safe starch was as opposed to relying on chronic low carbers to explain what safe means.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 10, 2012
at 03:27 PM

nothing is safe if it increase NPY in winter.....period.

D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

(1590)

on March 10, 2012
at 05:03 PM

I'm just happy I can eat a handful of blackberries without going into a coma or getting diabeties (got to prepare for winter hm Jack?).

D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

(1590)

on March 10, 2012
at 12:52 PM

Safe starch isn't used as a phrase. It's a concept. Not hard to grasp unless your brain is chronically deprived of glucose of course.

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

(2890)

on March 11, 2012
at 12:07 AM

The Quilt is right, I once ate a carb in winter. Now I'm fat, and I have cancer. Same thing killed my sister.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on March 10, 2012
at 11:44 AM

well when wondering about what a word means, a lot of people go to a dictionary.

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

(2890)

on March 11, 2012
at 12:13 AM

Stressing about NPY in winter is worse for your health than NPY in winter......period.

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

(2890)

on March 11, 2012
at 12:24 AM

You spend too much time reading rat studies and you start to get disconnected with reality. There is a non-negligible fraction of people who do not do well on low carbs, **even in winter**. So stop lab-coating and enter the real world.

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Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on March 10, 2012
at 11:43 AM

I think it's a very unfortunate choice of words. The word "safe" automatically conjures up its opposite, "dangerous" in many peoples' minds. People who don't have the time or inclination to read blog posts (or don't know about the blog post to begin with) are going to be put off by a group of people who are conflicted about whether or not things like rice and sweet potatoes are dangerous.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on March 10, 2012
at 12:04 PM

But it is pretty much a paleo principle that grains and legumes are not healthful foods owing to their anti-nutrients.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on March 10, 2012
at 02:05 PM

I think it's a matter of degree, too. Gluten can indeed be dangerous for some people and is unhealthful for everyone. I suppose a word had to be used to differentiate things that are more harmful (dangerous?) like gluten and grains from things that are less harmful like sweet potatoes and potatoes. I just don't personally think "safe" was a good choice. Pushed to come up with another word, though, I'd pick something like "neutral" or "healthy".

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on March 11, 2012
at 02:53 PM

But who calls grains and legumes "starches"? Nobody I know ever did. I always considered legumes just legumes (mostly protein) and grains grains (carbohydrates). I really get the feeling I'm missing something here. Occam's razor, anyone?

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