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UUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!! Frustrated!!

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Created June 12, 2011 at 5:02 AM

I've been eating paleo for about 2-3 weeks. I have been VERY good about it.... except for a little bit of creamer in my coffee..and a couple of vodka drinks during the week. I feel soooooo fat and bloated!! I haven't weighed myself because I don't want to get discouraged... but I feel chunky monkey!! Im doing crossfit 3-4x per week... I'm 5'10, normally around 140 which is pretty thin for my build. I know Im up at least 10 lbs!! I really would care what the scale would say, but I feel like a fatty!!

Thanks for all the responses... As far as what I have been eating... for example typical day..all dressings dips I make at home and are paleo...

breakfast: coffee 1-2 cups with really sugary creamer (I know..but it's been really really hard to give that up), then maybe 2 hard boiled eggs and some kind of protein like a piece of salmon or a can of tuna with paleo mayo. I usually have some kind of vegi with that, like broccoli or bell peppers. (no fruit)

snack: some kind of vegetable, carrots or cucumbers, another hardboiled egg (without the yolk)

Lunch: some kind of big leafy green salad loaded with vegis with either chicken, salmon or turkey, with avocado and a homemade paleo dressing.

snack: same as above minus the egg...maybe a few cashews

maybe another snack at this point... something small, usually vegis

dinner: piece of salmon or lean pork..(homemade completely paleo) broccoli, cauliflower or some other kind of vegi

snack: perhaps a drink made with vodka and a diet lemonade mixer (I know, diet sodas are kinda taboo), some nuts, sunflower seeds, maybe another drink.. LOL!!!

I really have been eating very clean minus the nightime drinks and the morning coffee... I haven't been eating fruit because of the sugar factor... I even backed off the workouts a bit so I wouldn't be as hungry. The thing I have noticed the most is, I have so much energy lately, that I find it almost impossible to sleep!!! I have to literally force myself to go to sleep!!!

Im so frustrated... LOL!

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

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on July 03, 2011
at 09:19 PM

Dear CaveRat, You are brilliant. Sincerely, Allie

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on July 02, 2011
at 07:37 PM

Question... why would you discard egg yolks? They're good for you.

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on June 29, 2011
at 10:49 PM

Perfect response L.

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on June 29, 2011
at 10:35 PM

+1 for "less general obsession with food"

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:48 PM

I didn't work out at ALL - except for being slightly more active at my job - for five *months* after changing my diet. It really takes time to build the energy levels back after years of destructive eating. Now I'm doing a bit in the AM and walking 16 flights of stairs at work. I probably could have shifted sooner if I got more sleep, was more strict on certain foods - and was 20 years younger!

4bf5827bfb7df85c5b4b485db0945e64

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:48 PM

I'd ditch the Crossfit for a bit and do some light fun activities, like I mentioned before, and maybe do some weight-training without the metabolic conditioning aspect thrown in. I would do this until I leaned out to a desirable level and then add it back in. If I started getting some chub again, I'd back off the Crossfit again. You should only allow yourself one big stressor and you have at least a couple (your sleep is not legit + Crossfit + alcohol + ?).

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:45 PM

Good point. IF for those who aren't used to running off of fat is scary. They'll feel terrible m

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:43 PM

Likewise, and cheers!

4bf5827bfb7df85c5b4b485db0945e64

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:43 PM

Yeah, if you have abnormally high levels of cortisol, you will not be able to lean out. Cortisol is the "stress hormone" but one of the well-understood things about it is that it raises blood sugar. If your body is constantly raising blood sugar, regardless of food intake, it will be extremely hard to lean out. In fact, this could be the mechanism for which you gained some weight as cortisol can be the reason for this in spite of diet.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:38 PM

Yeah - the fat will give you energy and keep cravings away

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:35 PM

I feel ya. Always wondered what they did with the yolks when boxing up their Egg Beaters.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:28 PM

Exactly - if you split the egg I'd go for the yolk. That's where the good stuff is! You know, there must be a ton of excess yolk in the 'low fat' dieting community - all going to waste. It'd be a fantastically cheap source if we could just work out the channels :-)

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:19 PM

That might help a lot, but she needs to get the fat (more) / sugar (less) balance under control. Ideally first so her body is better skilled at metabolizing body fat during IF. Fasting while battling the sugar/insulin dependency could be pretty tough.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:12 PM

Heavy whipping cream is fine, and maybe a drop of stevia if you feel you absolutely need sweet and don't want to rip the bandaid off too quickly :-)

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:08 PM

I've started to cut back on my AM caffeine, and reduced the number of times I have something later in the day. This is a big shift for me and it feels positive. Still having my late AM double espresso though - I'll NEVER give that up!

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:03 PM

Just for clarification: when I say that body 'fat' is completely different than dietary 'fat' I mean that the fat you eat isn't converted directly to the excess fat you're trying to get rid of, and not much of it at all. It's the *sugar* that tells your body to gain weight, not the dietary fat.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:00 PM

I'm liking the both of you more and more everyday. Best of health!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 12, 2011
at 04:58 PM

Do work on maintaining a solid sleep schedule. "We" are in bed by 930pm at the latest, and "I" naturally arise at 430am like clockwork. Which is convenient, because I have no alarm clock. The hardest part of "our" sleeping schedule is convincing the kids its good for them! What teenager do you know that wants to have that kind of sleep schedule?!

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on June 12, 2011
at 04:53 PM

Hey cavegirl - caverat here. We must be related!

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Ditto - exactly - hear hear! I felt absolutely evil the first time I tasted a spoonful of butter. And my formerly 'savory' dishes at the local Chinese restaurant now taste like candy to me.

95711962ea0f34454e459378ac35054f

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on June 12, 2011
at 03:46 PM

I know...seriously...I was up at 8am this morning, I think I got about 6 hours of sleep last night!

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on June 12, 2011
at 02:04 PM

I totally agree about the fat comment. Eating just vegetable sticks and egg whites (no yolk!? what's up? If anything eat only the yolk- it's the nutritious and satiating part!) will keep you hungry and eating more. Try eating gobs of coconut oil and meat, whole eggs if you like, try to avoid or go easy on the nuts.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 12, 2011
at 12:44 PM

it reads like you already know the answer at least partially: completely eliminate sugar and alcohol. Don't get me wrong, I believe you can have alcohol once your goals are met and you're comfy maintaining but when you are working towards a goal just ditch the booze. I'd add to ditch nuts and eat less frequently. Also, it sounds slightly like your maybe a bit too focused on food generally. I like eating, I think we all do, but thats a whole of eating in one 24 hour period:) Maybe just stop sugar, booze, eat 2-3 big meals and sleep well. See how it works?

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on June 12, 2011
at 11:37 AM

I agree with lunabelle. Most people simply do not see the results they want while keeping diet drinks, alcohol & intense sweet stuff in the mix, even in moderation. I'll wager that if you gave your body a rest and allowed it to reset you could re-introduce those at a later point. I also agree with the folks below who point out the "low-fatness" of your Paleo and frequent snacking. You shouldn't need a million snacks if you're eating enough fat during your meals. Plus, if you are Crossfitting frequently, you NEED more fat.

95711962ea0f34454e459378ac35054f

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on June 12, 2011
at 06:51 AM

ok...for sure... gonna try to have my coffee tomorrow with creamer only tomorrow.... wish me luck!!

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on June 12, 2011
at 06:40 AM

i know...you're absolutely right.... im a stresser to begin with...just trying to be "normal" and be happy eating a healthy diet... it really sucks sometimes! LOL

95711962ea0f34454e459378ac35054f

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on June 12, 2011
at 06:36 AM

thank you so much... gonna give it a try...man, if i didn't have to work out as much and gonna read up on the cortisol... thank you thank you

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at 05:46 AM

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 12, 2011
at 10:17 AM

Ditch the creamer for some real grass-fed, heavy cream. Ditch the alcohol as well. "Where's the beef?" Forget "lean pork" or lean anything, for that matter. The fattier, the better. I didn't see any red meat listed in your menu. Try beef, bison, and lamb. You need more fat (coconut oil/grass-fed butter) and you need to eat more at each MEAL. Forget snacking. If you need a snack, you didn't eat enough at meal-time. If you have to snack, snack on meat not veggies. Idk where you are geographically, but it is 6am EST as I type this and you were commenting a few hours ago. Don't watch TV, text or be in front of a computer for at least 2 hours before bed. Let your mind cool down. You NEED sleep to lose weight.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:28 PM

Exactly - if you split the egg I'd go for the yolk. That's where the good stuff is! You know, there must be a ton of excess yolk in the 'low fat' dieting community - all going to waste. It'd be a fantastically cheap source if we could just work out the channels :-)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 12, 2011
at 04:58 PM

Do work on maintaining a solid sleep schedule. "We" are in bed by 930pm at the latest, and "I" naturally arise at 430am like clockwork. Which is convenient, because I have no alarm clock. The hardest part of "our" sleeping schedule is convincing the kids its good for them! What teenager do you know that wants to have that kind of sleep schedule?!

166f449979d83186bd876e8f466d0a69

(1317)

on June 12, 2011
at 02:04 PM

I totally agree about the fat comment. Eating just vegetable sticks and egg whites (no yolk!? what's up? If anything eat only the yolk- it's the nutritious and satiating part!) will keep you hungry and eating more. Try eating gobs of coconut oil and meat, whole eggs if you like, try to avoid or go easy on the nuts.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 12, 2011
at 05:35 PM

I feel ya. Always wondered what they did with the yolks when boxing up their Egg Beaters.

95711962ea0f34454e459378ac35054f

(29)

on June 12, 2011
at 03:46 PM

I know...seriously...I was up at 8am this morning, I think I got about 6 hours of sleep last night!

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

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on June 29, 2011
at 10:49 PM

Perfect response L.

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

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on July 03, 2011
at 09:19 PM

Dear CaveRat, You are brilliant. Sincerely, Allie

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on June 12, 2011
at 02:36 PM

I agree with the comments about increasing fat. I think one of the things that is difficult to accept with a Paleo diet which is different than most other diets is that fat is OK, in fact a necessary part of the diet. Eggs, cream, fatty meats, avocado, oily fish, etc. should all be in the heavy rotation. You should be dressing your vegetables with plenty of butter or olive oil. Fat is better for your digestion and keeps you satisfied longer, not to mention tasting delicious (there is a reason our bodies find eating fat extremely satisfying), and will probably decrease your feelings of being bloated. Fat is not bad!

You are eating a lot of vegetables and lean meats, but no fat, you even mention taking the yolk out of your eggs. The yolk is where all of the fat is, and also all of the nutrients. Egg whites are nothing but protein and aren't satisfying. I personally find soft-cooked eggs (either soft boiled or fried over easy) a lot more satisfying and easier to digest than hard boiled eggs, the creamy-delicious yolks are great.

You are eating a lot of snacks, which means that your meals are not satisfying. You should focus on your meals keeping you sated for at least 3-4 hours. I eat one full-sized meal per day and the other two meals are more like snacks for me, and I have absolutely no desire to eat at other times, except sometimes at around 4-5pm I'll get a little hungry if breakfast and lunch were small. This works because the meal has plenty of fat and is delicious and satisfying.

Really, your diet looks more Weight Watchers than Paleo. It is possible to lose weight on Weight Watchers (lots of people do), but it's very difficult because you're constantly hungry and under-nourished, because you aren't eating any fats. You can read through other messages here to see what people eat in a typical day. Many eat as much as half of their calories in fat, sometimes more. This may sound strange at first, but it works.

Your meats should be beef (grass-fed if possible), lamb, dark meat chicken, oily fish (salmon, blue fish, mackerel), fatty pork (belly, sausage, chops with the fat attached). At some point (maybe not initially) you should incorporate some organ meats, I think that calf's liver is the easiest starting point for that. You should only be eating chicken breast, pork loin, turkey, and other ultra-lean meats if you are eating them with a lot of fat (i.e. hollandaise sauce, dressed in bacon or bacon fat, etc). If you do this, you'll naturally eat smaller portions and stay satisfied longer, which will lead to eating less and having more energy.

As far as the cheats, I personally would not worry about a few alcohol drinks during the week, as long as they aren't mixed with sugary mixers. I would worry a lot more about the sugar in your coffee in the morning. This will spike your blood sugar first thing in the morning, which will put your body in a bad state for the rest of the day. It also sets up the habit of having something sweet every single day which will make you more prone to snacking, cheating, and craving sweets.

Try dropping sugar completely for a couple of weeks. You'll be surprised at the change -- all kinds of things that you never thought were sweet will taste sweet. Fruit is very sweet, even tomatoes, and the fat on meat (for example the rind of fat on a good beef steak) is also sweet. You need to make your body a lot more sensitive to sweet tastes so you won't be eating any of the refined sugars.

Good luck!

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:43 PM

Likewise, and cheers!

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Ditto - exactly - hear hear! I felt absolutely evil the first time I tasted a spoonful of butter. And my formerly 'savory' dishes at the local Chinese restaurant now taste like candy to me.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:00 PM

I'm liking the both of you more and more everyday. Best of health!

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:47 AM

Hey Cavegirl. I think cortisol and stress are the issue for you. The fact that it's really hard for you to go to sleep means that cortisol is too high late at night (when it should be the lowest) and then you're hitting both a high dosage of caffeine and sugar upon waking, when cortisol should be highest to wake you up.

On top of that, you're Crossfitting 3-4x per week. That's a lot of cortisol releasing beatdowns, if you ask me.

Also, eat all your egg yolks. And you're eating about 6-7 times per day... I think your systems are short-circuiting a bit.

Back off on the Crossfit stuff, go do some relaxing stuff for a bit like walks, yoga, meditation, massages, or whatever, and ween yourself off the sugar and caffeine... really focus on getting some quality sleep in. Read up on cortisol and stress and how to effectively manage those things. You could try some 5-HTP or maybe melatonin but try to do this naturally first.

Good luck!

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:48 PM

I didn't work out at ALL - except for being slightly more active at my job - for five *months* after changing my diet. It really takes time to build the energy levels back after years of destructive eating. Now I'm doing a bit in the AM and walking 16 flights of stairs at work. I probably could have shifted sooner if I got more sleep, was more strict on certain foods - and was 20 years younger!

4bf5827bfb7df85c5b4b485db0945e64

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:48 PM

I'd ditch the Crossfit for a bit and do some light fun activities, like I mentioned before, and maybe do some weight-training without the metabolic conditioning aspect thrown in. I would do this until I leaned out to a desirable level and then add it back in. If I started getting some chub again, I'd back off the Crossfit again. You should only allow yourself one big stressor and you have at least a couple (your sleep is not legit + Crossfit + alcohol + ?).

4bf5827bfb7df85c5b4b485db0945e64

(1386)

on June 12, 2011
at 05:43 PM

Yeah, if you have abnormally high levels of cortisol, you will not be able to lean out. Cortisol is the "stress hormone" but one of the well-understood things about it is that it raises blood sugar. If your body is constantly raising blood sugar, regardless of food intake, it will be extremely hard to lean out. In fact, this could be the mechanism for which you gained some weight as cortisol can be the reason for this in spite of diet.

95711962ea0f34454e459378ac35054f

(29)

on June 12, 2011
at 06:36 AM

thank you so much... gonna give it a try...man, if i didn't have to work out as much and gonna read up on the cortisol... thank you thank you

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:39 AM

What sticks out to me is that the few cheats you have, you claim are really hard to give up. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that those things are your problem and most likely what is preventing you from losing weight. If your body had a healthy relationship with those foods, then you would have a healthy relationship with those foods. You dropped fruit, but you eat sugar, alcohol, and diet drinks? Even in moderation those things can throw you off.

9759643ce5d97ab8fa649ae954656c4c

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:46 AM

BTW, you can respond to this comment by looking about an inch below it, to the left. There, in all lower case, it says "add comment" (it doesn't have quotes around it). when you click that, you will be able to add a comment. No need to start a whole new thread. ;)

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on June 12, 2011
at 11:37 AM

I agree with lunabelle. Most people simply do not see the results they want while keeping diet drinks, alcohol & intense sweet stuff in the mix, even in moderation. I'll wager that if you gave your body a rest and allowed it to reset you could re-introduce those at a later point. I also agree with the folks below who point out the "low-fatness" of your Paleo and frequent snacking. You shouldn't need a million snacks if you're eating enough fat during your meals. Plus, if you are Crossfitting frequently, you NEED more fat.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:38 PM

Yeah - the fat will give you energy and keep cravings away

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on June 12, 2011
at 01:16 PM

I think Jon's answer pretty much nails it, but I'll add a little.

There's a chapter in The Paleo Solution that describes this exact type of situation you're in as it relates to sleep and cortisol (specifically, read the example in the book about Charlie; you'll be surprised at how much it relates to your situation). The author speaks specifically of uppers (caffeine) in the AM and downers (alcohol) in the PM and how that's a train wreck for your sleep cycle because it causes an inversion in your cortisol balance throughout the day.

Cortisol should start somewhat high and steadily decline throughout the day, but caffeine will cause it to rise in the AM and alcohol is going to mess things up in the PM. That's not to say one should never have caffeine or alcohol, but you don't want them as part of your daily regimen.

As for specifics, start reducing your dependency on your morning and evening beverages. Here are some tips:

  • Start watering down your coffee in the morning. If you can, drink it black; otherwise, water-down your condiments until it gets to zero.
    • You can start with 3/4 coffee + 1/4 hot water for one week, then go to 1/2 + 1/2 for the next week, etc.
    • Coffee might not be as enjoyable during this period, but you're trying to kick a drug addiction, so it's not going to be puppies and sunshine.
    • Once you kick the habit, you can reintroduce coffee occasionally. The key difference is that you'll exclusively be drinking coffee to enjoy it and not because you have to to avoid getting a headache.
  • Ditch the PM vodka drinks from your regular routine.
    • Both the alcohol and the "diet" lemonade are not doing you any favors at the end of the day. Sure, they might help you feel sleepy, but they're certainly not helping you get quality sleep.
    • You could try "scaling back" as I suggested with the coffee, but I don't think it will matter. Just give it up as part of your routine and be done with it.
    • Again, if you want to enjoy alcohol occasionally in a social setting or even at home, that's not going to kill you. However, if you want to consistently get quality sleep, cut it from your routine.
  • If the above tips sound scary, try them for 30 days and see how you feel. If it ended up being a waste of time, you can always introduce it back.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:08 PM

I've started to cut back on my AM caffeine, and reduced the number of times I have something later in the day. This is a big shift for me and it feels positive. Still having my late AM double espresso though - I'll NEVER give that up!

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:52 AM

You are just twisting yourself up and stressing and stress is very negative. Relax, remember nothing will change overnight, or in 3 weeks, in a big way. If one is serious about wanting to lose weight then one will do what is needed, ditch all sugar, alcohol, etc. The only thing stopping anyone from doing anything is themselves. This lifestyle can take dedication, self responsibility, willpower and self control, esp at the beginning, then it just gets easier. If one has some metabolic derangement that can take many months or even years of good eating habits before it becomes resolved. We don't mess up our bodies in 2 months and it certainly will not take 2 months to fix what is wrong.

Setting expectations just because it's what we 'want' can be negative as well as our bodies will do what is best and natural for it and sometimes this is not the preconceived notion we have in out minds. This lifestyle will make one healthy if we don't stress over it and be patient.

95711962ea0f34454e459378ac35054f

(29)

on June 12, 2011
at 06:40 AM

i know...you're absolutely right.... im a stresser to begin with...just trying to be "normal" and be happy eating a healthy diet... it really sucks sometimes! LOL

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Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 03:11 PM

What really stands out to me is that YOU NEED MORE FAT, and if your list is accurate you need lots of it.

It's supremely unfortunate that the word for dietary fats and being overweight ("fat") are the same - because they are completely different biologically! Food fat gives you nutrition and energy (even the energy required to lose weight) and it's sugar - and starches - that make your body divert the resulting glucose into your adipose tissue. Eat significantly more fat (while keeping carbs low to very low) and you'll lose weight.

Dig into this on the paleo sites - it's a real eye-opener!

Some ways I get fat: spoon it in! If I have a craving I'll scoop out a tablespoon or so of coconut oil, butter or beef tallow. I cook with them too. I eat the fatty parts of meats. I eat two to five eggs a day.

On the creamer - perhaps try heavy whipping cream instead? I had - have - my weaknesses still. Way too many nuts at a time, or indulge in cheese - but those are nothing compared to the crap I used to eat! Oh - there are some foods that seem 'paleo' but aren't very helpful. Salami is usually made with a lot of sugar for example. You have to pay attention to the ingredients of processed foods.

On the alcohol, I'm still drinking quite a bit of red wine in the evenings. In terms of weight loss dry booze doesn't seem to have a big impact - but sugary drinks are a disaster. If your mixer is made with sugar, look for a substitute.

And do the weighing: I've really noticed that my subjective sense and the objective reality are way off on that. I've lost 30+ lbs but I still feel stuffed and chunky too-'fat' feeling pretty often. And it's fun to compare now to then. Oh - remember there's a daily/weekly weight cycle of several pounds, and AM is usually the lightest.

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:03 PM

Just for clarification: when I say that body 'fat' is completely different than dietary 'fat' I mean that the fat you eat isn't converted directly to the excess fat you're trying to get rid of, and not much of it at all. It's the *sugar* that tells your body to gain weight, not the dietary fat.

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on June 12, 2011
at 11:47 AM

Your aggressive use of exclamation points indicate a high cortisol level (lol).

For me snacking doesn't work well. We're not built to eat so frequently anyway. You want to eat three meals and, as someone smarter than me said, (Devany???) let your snacks come from your liver.

I think that any measurable amount of fat burning happens during sleep, the most from 4 am to waking. If you eliminate the nighttime snack - don't eat after dinner - and especially the alcohol (which turns off all other metabolic processes as the liver works to detoxify) - you'll give your body a fighting chance to get at the body fat during the night.

Alcohol can drive down blood sugar making it harder to sleep well. The creamer has got to go too. Your taste buds will adjust, but, just like working out, you have to train them.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 29, 2011
at 08:52 PM

may sound rather holier-than-thou'ish, but what you wrote in a post reads nothing but a complete gluttony, dissipation and a lot of wishful thinking on your part that just eating 'paleo' (or, perhaps, pretending doing so) gives you a complete indulgence to do whatever you like, and yet to get good results (bodylook-wise) and feel good as well

i would thus advice to... well, for a starter, to stay away from any food for while (to say nothing of alcohol) - yes, just stay away (=fast for couple of days) - and then start all over from a clean slate: less fat (=that is added fat; don't get brainwashed by 'fataholic' propaganda), less useless veggies (some roughage is good but overdo it, and... - want a gorilla's belly?) and less overall general obsession with food - feels quite liberating

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on June 29, 2011
at 10:35 PM

+1 for "less general obsession with food"

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on June 29, 2011
at 08:00 PM

"I really have been eating very clean minus the nightime drinks and the morning coffee..."

Could be the...uh...nighttime drinks and morning coffee.

Seriously.

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on June 29, 2011
at 06:28 PM

Ditch the vodka. I did a couple of drinks a week, thought it was OK as per Mark Sisson. I stopped last week, and I can already see the difference. I feel less bloated. If you've got to have the booze once in a while ( who doesn't?) go for red wine instead.

And honestly... I think your expectations for your body are way too high. I'm 140 lbs too, and I feel I could lose 10+, but I'm only 5'5"! At 5'10" 140-150 lbs sound just right to me for a female. Besides, if you're doing strength training, you're probably gaining muscle. WEIGHT by itself means nothing. Check this out: http://everydaypaleo.com/2011/06/22/attention-scale-addicts-part-2/

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on June 12, 2011
at 03:16 PM

Generally take people's advice. I didn't read everything, but I'm sure it's a lack of fasting, not enough fat, and not strict paleo. REMEMBER, how frustrated you are at not losing weight, is same for me not gaining weight. I eat so much more than you, but am never able to gain a pound. Weird.

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:40 AM

Maybe cut down a little bit on the protein and add some more fat in. you seem to be eating low-carb, low fat (with a lot of protein). protein is good, but you dont want it be your main source of fuel. Try fasting in the morning, until 10-11 ish. the more fat you eat the easier this will become. HIIT training and low impact training such as walking will help to burn fat.

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

Are you sure you aren't gaining muscle? But in my opinion I would suggest: No booze. No sugar. Lay off on the bulk of the nuts, back down on the snacking - you can build all these back in later. Eat your three big meals, drink a ton of water and sleep your ass off. Seriously. July is around the corner so you should totally make July your uber clean month and I guarantee that you will see a shift. If it helps, I made big pitchers of green/herbal tea and kept in my fridge to drink - I added seltzer, herbs, etc. and it helped me out, gave me some fun things to drink besides water. Good luck!

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on June 29, 2011
at 10:47 PM

My little sister is 5'10" 130 and a beanpole size 0-2. I don't think you have any cause to feel fat, or worry about getting fat.

You're 'feeling like a fatty' and are bloated, but you haven't weighed yourself? Are your clothes fitting differently? Do you measure yourself? I can't tell from your OP whether you have in fact gained any weight at all! If you're eating high-protein paleo and doing lots of crossfit, you are probably going to gain significant muscle weight, and yet get slimmer by measurements.

I'm naturally thin too and I've been VLC, same deal, a diet based on protein, fat and too many vegetables makes me bloated, and insatiably hungry no matter how many calories I eat. Ketosis vastly reduces my desire/need for sleep (too many carbs have the opposite effect, it's a delicate balance). Add in some starch and I feel great. I have no idea why people are recommending you drop every tiny source of sugar in your already VLC diet. You need more sugars IMO.

I'd recommended a moderate paleo-style diet with some veg, some meat and seafood, plenty of fats, and also some starches and fruit (100-200g of carbs daily). I feel by far my best eating this way.

Don't drink too much, but nothing wrong with moderate alcohol intake, in my book.

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on June 12, 2011
at 04:31 PM

Try IF (intermittent fasting). I started IF three weeks ago and the weight is falling off. The best thing about IF is that it is sooo easy!

My daily routine: Breakfast: nothing Lunch: noonish (paleo) 5pm Crossfit M-T-W-F-S (Thurs is CF Endurance, Sunday is off) Dinner: 7pm (paleo)

No foods before noon or past 8pm! No snacks...nothing except water.

I am fasting for 16 hours (8pm - 12pm) and then have an 8 hour feeding window. This took some getting used to, but was fairly easy. I get some hunger pangs in the mid morning, but nothing bad (I would get them anyway when eating breakfast!). My workouts have not suffered. In fact, I continue to increase in strength! I feel less lethargic during the day and sleep like a baby at night.

In the past 5 weeks since getting back on paleo and then starting IF 3 weeks ago, I have dropped 17.5 pounds! Water weight? Maybe some, but not all.

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:19 PM

That might help a lot, but she needs to get the fat (more) / sugar (less) balance under control. Ideally first so her body is better skilled at metabolizing body fat during IF. Fasting while battling the sugar/insulin dependency could be pretty tough.

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:45 PM

Good point. IF for those who aren't used to running off of fat is scary. They'll feel terrible m

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on June 12, 2011
at 11:43 AM

try you coffee with coconut milk and a little honey, just by that you will see the difference.

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:48 AM

I can't add anything other than give up the Sugars as hard as it may be, 155lbs later I rarely exceed 10G of sugar a day. It wasn't easy, but then again what good things come easy! Also 2-3 week isn't enough a sample to really go on, It took me a few months to really see the impact of a true lifestyle change!

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(2997)

on June 12, 2011
at 05:12 PM

Heavy whipping cream is fine, and maybe a drop of stevia if you feel you absolutely need sweet and don't want to rip the bandaid off too quickly :-)

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(29)

on June 12, 2011
at 06:51 AM

ok...for sure... gonna try to have my coffee tomorrow with creamer only tomorrow.... wish me luck!!

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