1

votes

Unsure about fat/protein/veg intake.

Commented on November 30, 2011
Created November 30, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Hi,

So I have read through a few different threads relating to fat/protein intake. I don't want to start counting calories because I find that stressful, but I'm not sure if I am eating the right amount of fat or protein for me! I am 5"5" and around 147 pounds (10.5 stone).

I eat a around a tablespoon of pure beef lard if I am having a chicken salad for instance (as I understand chicken is quite low in fat). I dissolve the fat warm, add a little olive oil (probably a tea spoon) to dress the salad. I also use a little extra fat (lard again) for cooking the chicken (saut??ing to brown off the skin then roasting), sometimes I use the fat I used to roast in to add to the salad. I use two chicken thighs and tons of veg. But the point is I feel very satisfied after that, but is it usual to feel hungry 4 and a half hours later? It seems to work like clockwork, I get up, spend an hour having breakfast, probably finish eating at 8.00am then I am hungry again at more or less. 12.30pm.

If I have a fatty meat like beef or lamb should I generally use less fat to cook with?

What satisfies more? Fat or protein? What is a general figure as to how much protein or fat I should be eating? And what about veg?

I feel like I have probably hit my limit for protein consumption, but I am apprehensive about eating more fat.

Lastly how do I get onto a condensed window of eating rather than 8.00am till 9.30pm?

Thanks in advance.

559a1bf85bfe38a0fbbf56377c7278b4

(1548)

on November 30, 2011
at 08:13 PM

Sounds like a great sleep routine! Maybe try dropping the small snack, and see what happens. If you are eating a lot of protein, the snack could be keeping you in glucose-burning mode overnight (you want to be in fat-burning mode). Good luck!

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:45 PM

I will experiment with that. Thanks

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:36 PM

If you are waking up hungry during the night, you probably aren't eating enough during the day. You don't necessarily need to add meals--just more food.

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:21 PM

My goals as listed below are really to maintain a constant weight and reduce cravings and my appetite waking me up at night! I think I probably have quite a quick metabolic rate. Would adding in some carbs make this better or worse? As I strictly avoid fruit and sweetners in all forms. However I do eat root veg, i.e. carrots and do not restrict sweet peppers. However I rarely eat cooked root veg F

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:19 PM

I made a mistake there, I meant to say 12-9. I have managed to get into a good routine. All lights out 8.30pm, no stimulation apart from reading (and the other typical bedroom activity..!). I am normally asleep by 10pm, more likely to be asleep by 9.30pm. What does a small snack before bedtime do? Will that affect my sleep in any way? I do tend to wake up early morning hungry. Like 4am or 5am. It's normally a small fatty and protein meal. i.e. coconut cream and meat.

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:16 PM

My goals as listed below are really to maintain a constant weight and reduce cravings and my appetite waking me up at night! I think I probably have quite a quick metabolic rate. Would adding in some carbs make this better or worse? As I strictly avoid fruit and sweetners in all forms. However I do not root veg, i.e. carrots and do not restrict sweet peppers. However I rarely eat cooked root veg.

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:14 PM

Thank you for you input. I understand the body is exquisite in its design.

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:13 PM

Hi thanks for your comment. It's more the insulin thing, I mean I want to prevent raising insulin numerous times. Well I guess three meals a day fits me then! However I may experiment with an eating window of 12-9, so that would mean eating slightly more fat and protein within two meals. My goals are really to maintain a constant weight and reduce cravings and my appetite waking me up at night!

559a1bf85bfe38a0fbbf56377c7278b4

(1548)

on November 30, 2011
at 04:46 PM

I'm addressing blood sugars/insulin, too. Insulin function can be low the morning and best in the evening (for a lot of people, anyway) and once I start eating in the morning (even high protein) I am hungry all day, so I eat my carbs in the evening. An eating window of 5pm-8pm sounds a bit drastic, and might give you raised cortisol, which can set you up for hunger, so could be self-defeating. Excess protein can raise blood glucose, so too much is as bad as too little if you have insulin/BG problems. The infection could well be destabilising, as can stress. Can you cut out stress, sleep more?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on November 30, 2011
at 04:24 PM

And what are your metabolic/health issues - that can also play a huge role.

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 04:05 PM

From what I have read a reduced eating window i.e 5pm till 9pm is better for insulin related problems? Rather than three meals a day stretched over 8.00am till 9.30pm (with a snack at bed). Well int he salad it is normally raw sweet peppers, lettuce, cucumber, carrots, celery. I do not eat any fruit or sweetener as I battling a fungal intestinal infection (have been doing this for around four months). Maybe the infection is destabilizing blood sugar levels causing hunger?

  • A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

    asked by

    (240)
  • Views
    972
  • Last Activity
    2422D AGO
Frontpage book

Get FREE instant access to our Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!

4 Answers

best answer

0
A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on November 30, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Protein has been shown in study after study to supress hunger more than carbs or fat. One primatologist noted that all of the monkeys, gorillas, cimpanzees and baboons that he studied for decades ate until their protein requirements were met and then stopped.

You will probably have to figure out for yourself what works best for you in terms of how much protein/fat/carb as we all have different needs.

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:14 PM

Thank you for you input. I understand the body is exquisite in its design.

0
13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:06 PM

I'm not exactly sure why you think it is problematic to want to eat both breakfast and lunch. I eat breakfast and lunch about 4 hours apart with dinner coming about 5-6 hours after lunch (I eat dinner at 7 pm, but my lunch time varies). If you were always hungry between meals I would see the concern, but there's nothing terribly odd about wanting to eat three meals a day. I know there are some people who have had success with IF, but it isn't an integral component of a paleo lifestyle. It just depends on your goals and your body.

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:13 PM

Hi thanks for your comment. It's more the insulin thing, I mean I want to prevent raising insulin numerous times. Well I guess three meals a day fits me then! However I may experiment with an eating window of 12-9, so that would mean eating slightly more fat and protein within two meals. My goals are really to maintain a constant weight and reduce cravings and my appetite waking me up at night!

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:45 PM

I will experiment with that. Thanks

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:36 PM

If you are waking up hungry during the night, you probably aren't eating enough during the day. You don't necessarily need to add meals--just more food.

0
32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on November 30, 2011
at 04:15 PM

What are your goals? That makes all the difference in how you eat.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on November 30, 2011
at 04:24 PM

And what are your metabolic/health issues - that can also play a huge role.

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:16 PM

My goals as listed below are really to maintain a constant weight and reduce cravings and my appetite waking me up at night! I think I probably have quite a quick metabolic rate. Would adding in some carbs make this better or worse? As I strictly avoid fruit and sweetners in all forms. However I do not root veg, i.e. carrots and do not restrict sweet peppers. However I rarely eat cooked root veg.

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:21 PM

My goals as listed below are really to maintain a constant weight and reduce cravings and my appetite waking me up at night! I think I probably have quite a quick metabolic rate. Would adding in some carbs make this better or worse? As I strictly avoid fruit and sweetners in all forms. However I do eat root veg, i.e. carrots and do not restrict sweet peppers. However I rarely eat cooked root veg F

0
559a1bf85bfe38a0fbbf56377c7278b4

on November 30, 2011
at 03:37 PM

I eat pretty much between 1pm and 8pm. Cutting out breakfast was easy for me, because I have never really liked it, although I appreciate other people find it essential.

It sounds as though you are at a healthy weight, and you haven't mentioned health problems, so I am wondering why you would like to get into a condensed window of eating - what you are doing at the moment seems to be working well for you. I do wonder about the loads of veg - depending on what type of veg, and in what quantities, if they are giving you a bit too much carb they might set you up for hunger a couple of hours later.

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 04:05 PM

From what I have read a reduced eating window i.e 5pm till 9pm is better for insulin related problems? Rather than three meals a day stretched over 8.00am till 9.30pm (with a snack at bed). Well int he salad it is normally raw sweet peppers, lettuce, cucumber, carrots, celery. I do not eat any fruit or sweetener as I battling a fungal intestinal infection (have been doing this for around four months). Maybe the infection is destabilizing blood sugar levels causing hunger?

559a1bf85bfe38a0fbbf56377c7278b4

(1548)

on November 30, 2011
at 04:46 PM

I'm addressing blood sugars/insulin, too. Insulin function can be low the morning and best in the evening (for a lot of people, anyway) and once I start eating in the morning (even high protein) I am hungry all day, so I eat my carbs in the evening. An eating window of 5pm-8pm sounds a bit drastic, and might give you raised cortisol, which can set you up for hunger, so could be self-defeating. Excess protein can raise blood glucose, so too much is as bad as too little if you have insulin/BG problems. The infection could well be destabilising, as can stress. Can you cut out stress, sleep more?

A83897633eef0383e4ea2add2367314f

(240)

on November 30, 2011
at 06:19 PM

I made a mistake there, I meant to say 12-9. I have managed to get into a good routine. All lights out 8.30pm, no stimulation apart from reading (and the other typical bedroom activity..!). I am normally asleep by 10pm, more likely to be asleep by 9.30pm. What does a small snack before bedtime do? Will that affect my sleep in any way? I do tend to wake up early morning hungry. Like 4am or 5am. It's normally a small fatty and protein meal. i.e. coconut cream and meat.

559a1bf85bfe38a0fbbf56377c7278b4

(1548)

on November 30, 2011
at 08:13 PM

Sounds like a great sleep routine! Maybe try dropping the small snack, and see what happens. If you are eating a lot of protein, the snack could be keeping you in glucose-burning mode overnight (you want to be in fat-burning mode). Good luck!

Answer Question


Get FREE instant access to our
Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!