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Strict paleo and still a gut. What am I doing wrong?

Answered on March 13, 2015
Created April 09, 2013 at 6:34 PM

I've been a (fairly) strict paleo eater for about a year now. After a couple months I managed to lose about 40lbs and drop a pant size. I'm 5'11" and when I started weighed about 240lbs. I am now somewhere around 200lbs, possibly below, I haven't weighed myself in a long time. My daily meals consist of a breakfast of 3-4 whole eggs, cooked with some spices and hot sauce in about a tablespoon of butter and 8-10 strips of bacon, depending on the day and a banana or apple. Then for lunch, if I decide to have a lunch, I'll usually have a salad with a cup or so of trail mix with some dried fruit like cranberries or rasins and olive oil or zesty italian dressing on it. For dinner i am very strict about having only meat and veggies. I try and workout as often as I can but for a while did little to no exercise. I've just recently started exercising again the primal way and am waiting for some results. My problem though is that I am still holding onto a lot of fat. I have a very large gut for a person my size and it feels unnatural to be able to lose as much weight as I have and still have the size stomach I have. Is it possible I'm just extremely bloated? Is there something I should change? I've started logging what I am eating to weigh the amount of calories come from fat and protein in my diet and everything seems fine and I've even considered adding supplements to hit the six pack goal. Anyways, I know I've rambled here but any help anyone could give me would be appreciated!

Thanks a lot! Gavin.

I should add, As I didn't mention before, I also go out with some friends drinking every couple weekends (we drink beer exclusively) I don't know if that changes anything but thought it'd be helpful to add.

37cc142fbb183f2758ef723a192e7a9d

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on April 10, 2013
at 03:37 PM

Interesting! I've never got into cider but only because it's not really popular or high profile in my area. I've also wondered about mead, which is made around here but I've never tried it.

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on April 10, 2013
at 05:14 AM

Belly fat is last one to go. Good adherence to an eating plan and exercise regime is needed. It can take more than you think to disappear.

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on April 10, 2013
at 04:38 AM

Not sure if this is helpful but I have replaced beer with cider, not the same I know but you get the carbonation and the cold but without the grain.

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on April 10, 2013
at 02:42 AM

I would just say cut out the bacon/cut down the bacon to 2-3 rashers and you will have cut out about 500cals depending on what type of bacon you are eating

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

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on April 10, 2013
at 01:11 AM

I know the feeling! There's something comforting about grilled meat and a cold beer.

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

(15)

on April 10, 2013
at 01:09 AM

It was working for a while but I kind of went off the rails and am coming back to it. Like I said, it helped me lost 40lbs so I'm just trying to figure out what could be wrong. I've been fed a little bad information over the past little while.

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

(15)

on April 10, 2013
at 01:08 AM

I'm not 100% sure what that is but it's nothing a google check can't fix. And I'm in the same boat. I'm from a small town in Canada called Chatham, Ontario, I know the feeling of not being able to get all the things you want in the winter. But thank god spring is on it's way and the fresh veggies with it!

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on April 10, 2013
at 01:03 AM

lol Matt I agree. Some people like the numbers though. This is an example of some macro ratios that I like to approximate.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 10, 2013
at 01:02 AM

Matt I totally agree. I was just trying to give the OP an idea of what something might look like. I don't count sh** of what I eat :)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 10, 2013
at 12:50 AM

Too many numbers, just eat less.

37cc142fbb183f2758ef723a192e7a9d

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on April 10, 2013
at 12:20 AM

Alright I'll do it and blame you! tahnks! :)

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

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on April 09, 2013
at 11:44 PM

One nice thing about giving up beer, is sneaking one or two on a hot summer day...no guilt and sheer pleasure!

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

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on April 09, 2013
at 11:43 PM

Like, just have bacon and eggs on Saturday. Or, a visit to a local eatery where you have a big meal and dessert once or twice a month. It's the constant, daily overeating that gets you. If you are carrying a lot of fat, you are overeating. It may mean you are maintaining, but if you can maintain a spare tire--you are eating too much.

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on April 09, 2013
at 11:40 PM

If you eat similarly to how I have described, a day or two of overeating won't set you back very far, in fact, may be helpful.

37cc142fbb183f2758ef723a192e7a9d

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on April 09, 2013
at 10:42 PM

Fair enough. I enjoy red wine so it wasn't too hard to virtually give up beer last fall, although upcoming will be my first summer without and I already know there will be hot afternoons in front of the bbq when I will be in tough.

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

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on April 09, 2013
at 10:22 PM

I hate wine. It tastes like juice that's been left in the fridge for far too long. I've thought about alternatives to beer but there really isn't a whole lot out there I enjoy.

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

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on April 09, 2013
at 08:48 PM

This really helps! The meal breakdown is a HUGE benefit. I'll be sure to take your tips into consideration when I make my meals tomorrow and see how I feel. Much appreciated.

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

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on April 09, 2013
at 08:47 PM

I've been trying some different workouts. I tried an hour long workout called bootcamp and it helped but it was really intensive and made me crave large meals. I really want to do crossfit but I live in a small town witout a cross fit gym. A kettlebell workout is my next step. Thanks!

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

(15)

on April 09, 2013
at 08:46 PM

This really helps out, I've read a lot in regards to the paleo style eating and a lot of it is "eat what you want just stay away from carbs" based so I'll be sure to keep an eye on carbs from now on. Maybe cut down the amount of food I have for breakfast and skip on snacks. THANKS!

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on April 09, 2013
at 07:32 PM

Replace some of that bacon with some veggies! Also, I don't know much about you, but SO much food at one sitting (breakfast) makes me think you may want to slow down, enjoy each bite, and really think about when you are full. Maybe you're missing your satiation signals.

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on April 09, 2013
at 07:04 PM

You took the words about diet right off my keyboard! My gut reaction was "whoa, that may be too many calories".

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52114bd6e2353db3b6a1781f6c75948c

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on April 09, 2013
at 06:49 PM

I might get yelled at by some paleo purists here, but it's likely that your calorie intake is way too high. Your dinner looks spot-on, but a cup of trail mix with dried fruit at lunch? Calorific sugar bomb. 3-4 eggs AND butter AND 8-10 strips of bacon AND a piece of fruit? That's a hell of a lot of calories and sugar, right there. Plus, drinking every couple of weekends probably isn't helping matters.

I'm a runner, so I'm slightly biased in my suggestion and again, paleo purists might disagree, but cardio might be a good thing to try. It's done wonders for me (nearly 80lbs gone and still going!) so it might be worth a shot.

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

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on April 10, 2013
at 02:42 AM

I would just say cut out the bacon/cut down the bacon to 2-3 rashers and you will have cut out about 500cals depending on what type of bacon you are eating

A003a0e704118f11b86a6e1fbbb13cd7

(284)

on April 09, 2013
at 07:32 PM

Replace some of that bacon with some veggies! Also, I don't know much about you, but SO much food at one sitting (breakfast) makes me think you may want to slow down, enjoy each bite, and really think about when you are full. Maybe you're missing your satiation signals.

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

(15)

on April 09, 2013
at 08:46 PM

This really helps out, I've read a lot in regards to the paleo style eating and a lot of it is "eat what you want just stay away from carbs" based so I'll be sure to keep an eye on carbs from now on. Maybe cut down the amount of food I have for breakfast and skip on snacks. THANKS!

A3a4696c919e916ec971691559e9c942

(2043)

on April 09, 2013
at 07:04 PM

You took the words about diet right off my keyboard! My gut reaction was "whoa, that may be too many calories".

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272a5e9f1381bea33265440bc8aacfa1

on April 09, 2013
at 07:30 PM

ITS CALORIES IN VS CALORIES OUT! paleo foods dont have magical powers that disregard calories

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on April 09, 2013
at 07:27 PM

You should be working out if you want to lose that gut. Why would diet put you in some sort of anabolic state where you lose all your belly fat? Maybe over 20 years it might but if you want results in the forseeable future you need to take this into your own hands by working out..

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

(15)

on April 09, 2013
at 08:47 PM

I've been trying some different workouts. I tried an hour long workout called bootcamp and it helped but it was really intensive and made me crave large meals. I really want to do crossfit but I live in a small town witout a cross fit gym. A kettlebell workout is my next step. Thanks!

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61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

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on April 09, 2013
at 07:20 PM

I'm a guy. 48, 5'11. Went from 240 to 165. Whenever I hit stalls like you are, I examined my food real hard and made changes.

Prior, I was eating fast food 3-5 times a week, ice cream, cookies, donuts, 4-8 pieces of bread a day. Never counted calories, but probably 4000.

Now, 3 years later, I eat about 1500 calories a day like this:

Breakfast - Black coffee

Morning snack - None

Lunch at 11 - 1 can sardines (or equiv serving of fresh cooked fish), 1 potato, 1/2 -1 pound of raw veggies, no fat no oil.

Afternoon snack - None (maybe a black iced coffee)

Dinner at 6 - 1/2 pound or so of meat, 1 serving of potato or rice, cheese, nuts, dark chocolate, berries, 1 piece of fruit, more veggies--raw or steamed. I will use butter or CO to cook with.

Evening snack - none

I don't count calories or macros. I eat potatoes or rice every day, at least 1 big potato with lunch and more at dinner.

You can probably skip the starch til you hit the last 10 or 20, but eventually you will have to get back on starch to even out blood sugar/insulin and be able to lose the last of the gut.

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

(15)

on April 09, 2013
at 08:48 PM

This really helps! The meal breakdown is a HUGE benefit. I'll be sure to take your tips into consideration when I make my meals tomorrow and see how I feel. Much appreciated.

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on April 09, 2013
at 11:40 PM

If you eat similarly to how I have described, a day or two of overeating won't set you back very far, in fact, may be helpful.

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on April 09, 2013
at 11:43 PM

Like, just have bacon and eggs on Saturday. Or, a visit to a local eatery where you have a big meal and dessert once or twice a month. It's the constant, daily overeating that gets you. If you are carrying a lot of fat, you are overeating. It may mean you are maintaining, but if you can maintain a spare tire--you are eating too much.

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6727902d8e554cd8aeca1913d0b1691b

on April 10, 2013
at 01:37 AM

sugar and carbs are the main culprit to stalling weight loss. Bananas and apples are super high in sugar... switch to berries like strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, or raspberries.

Dried fruits like cranberries and raisins are full of sugar... again, too much sugar and carbs. Even if a trail mix is Paleo, the amount of agave syrup or honey may be too much for your body's sugar tolerance to handle and it could be leading you to hold onto fat.

Carbs do make people bloated... if you cut out starchy vegetables (cut out carrots and sweet potatoes initially to see if that helps too) see how that helps. While there are people who eat Paleo who can eat sweet potatoes with no problem, some people are prone to insulin-resistance and therefore gain weight easily if they eat starchy vegetables like sweet potatoes.

Beer is full of carbs and sugar... if you must drink, try drinking your favorite liquor mixed with club soda, much lower in carbs and sugar.

The calories in, calories out mantra is a myth, although a person can eat too much too. Fat is NOT the problem, all the people saying that haven't read enough Paleo literature. If a person eats nothing but tons of lean meat all day, all that excess protein causes problems with kidneys and can actually LEAD to fat gain because they body needs a way to process all that extra protein.

Also, something you're eating which is within the realm of Paleo may not actually do well for you. Meaning, maybe you have issues with a certain food or group of foods that is throwing your diet off. If you cut out that food, you may start resuming fat loss.

If you want to know more about why the "fat is bad" mantra is BS, read 'Why Do We Get Fat' by Gary Taubes. It really explains to chemistry and physiology to the fat gaining process in the body and it will make you realize why diets like the Paleo diet and Low-Carb are the way to go.

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on March 13, 2015
at 03:47 PM

first, i recommend switching from beer to white wine spritz, this helped me a lot maintaining my gut size, while the beers on the weekends contributed a lot to a small but constant growth.

secondly, calory restriction. i currently eat lots of vegetables, not so many eggs, but lots of protein. fat i use quite rarely now, surely every day but probably??maximum??what you have for breakfast. it kind of worries me, but reducing fats??helped to loose a bit weight. putting fat everywhere like the advertised paleo diet is easily overdone, i think.??i train with dumbbells every??second day and usually go jogging two to three times a week.

third: coconut fat, daily. the body likes to acquire and release it easily. i kind of dont like to replace other fats with it, since i like to keep variety and dont eat much fat, it is not easy to replace with, but it helps really loosing my gut/belly fat.

fourth: avoid canned food (tomatoes) because of bisphenol or how it is called, dont drink from plastic bottles. and drink a lot to avoid eating snacks. im sure you do, because you didntm ention them.

fifth: with sports, aim for high intensity. running long distances will only get you used to that. important is the afterburning effect, so dont go running friday after work and then go and drink beer with friends.

im still struggling to get rid my gut/belly fat, but the last three weeks were promising. believe me, i tried loosing it for one year.

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on April 10, 2013
at 02:40 AM

Hi I agree with the comments above. I can not eat fruit and especially not dried fruit, I would gain weight easily. Also I will agree your breakfast seems really large, it sounds more like 2 breakfasts. Maybe have the bacon and eggs and ditch the rest.
Another thing i found really helpful is doing the I.F. I know there has been lots of discussion on this, look at Mark's daily apple forum about it. I have my dinner at 5 in the evening and nothing then until 10 the next day. This way I am giving my body time to digest what i have. Since doing this I am finding a huge difference and I don't obsess about food.

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on April 10, 2013
at 12:54 AM

You have to wait a little for it to work, it doesn't magically make you lose tons of weight just like that but it takes time for you to lose weight. Also you have to add in the exercise for you to lose your belly. Plain dieting don't always work that way, it can make you lose weight but some parts of your body won't cooperate, you'll have to add in workouts.

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

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on April 10, 2013
at 01:09 AM

It was working for a while but I kind of went off the rails and am coming back to it. Like I said, it helped me lost 40lbs so I'm just trying to figure out what could be wrong. I've been fed a little bad information over the past little while.

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on April 10, 2013
at 12:35 AM

Is it possible that you have a diastasis recti? Men can get them as well as women. I ask because I have been in the same boat, my tummy is still a bit bigger than I'd like, but two years of diet and exercise isn't touching it anymore, despite losing a lot of weight. I had hoped my workouts and weightloss would have fixed my DR, but I still have a marked seperation. I am going to spend the next few months concentrating on it, and tweaking my diet and exercise. I have been looking at various techniques, although I'm in Canada and my choices seem limited.

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on April 10, 2013
at 05:14 AM

Belly fat is last one to go. Good adherence to an eating plan and exercise regime is needed. It can take more than you think to disappear.

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

(15)

on April 10, 2013
at 01:08 AM

I'm not 100% sure what that is but it's nothing a google check can't fix. And I'm in the same boat. I'm from a small town in Canada called Chatham, Ontario, I know the feeling of not being able to get all the things you want in the winter. But thank god spring is on it's way and the fresh veggies with it!

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37cc142fbb183f2758ef723a192e7a9d

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on April 09, 2013
at 08:52 PM

Excercise and ditch the beer man. Do you like wine? I found that last little bit wouldn't budge until I ditched the beer.

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on April 10, 2013
at 04:38 AM

Not sure if this is helpful but I have replaced beer with cider, not the same I know but you get the carbonation and the cold but without the grain.

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

(15)

on April 10, 2013
at 01:11 AM

I know the feeling! There's something comforting about grilled meat and a cold beer.

61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on April 09, 2013
at 11:44 PM

One nice thing about giving up beer, is sneaking one or two on a hot summer day...no guilt and sheer pleasure!

Ea699683c1cbc83d9b21f23e53106138

(15)

on April 09, 2013
at 10:22 PM

I hate wine. It tastes like juice that's been left in the fridge for far too long. I've thought about alternatives to beer but there really isn't a whole lot out there I enjoy.

37cc142fbb183f2758ef723a192e7a9d

(1353)

on April 10, 2013
at 12:20 AM

Alright I'll do it and blame you! tahnks! :)

37cc142fbb183f2758ef723a192e7a9d

(1353)

on April 10, 2013
at 03:37 PM

Interesting! I've never got into cider but only because it's not really popular or high profile in my area. I've also wondered about mead, which is made around here but I've never tried it.

37cc142fbb183f2758ef723a192e7a9d

(1353)

on April 09, 2013
at 10:42 PM

Fair enough. I enjoy red wine so it wasn't too hard to virtually give up beer last fall, although upcoming will be my first summer without and I already know there will be hot afternoons in front of the bbq when I will be in tough.

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on April 09, 2013
at 07:37 PM

You're eating a lot of sugar and fat, which isn't conducive to fat loss at all. That's what you're doing wrong.

Try creating a moderate calorie deficit by 10-25% of your maintenance cals. Keep protein between 0.8-2 grams/lb of body mass. Make 20-30% of the calories fat and eat your remaining calories to meet your deficit as carbohydrates from starchy foods (sweet potatoes, potatoes, oatmeal, rice, sprouted grain bread, whatever doesn't make a difference).

Also, you don't mention exercise. That's important for a lean midsection as well.

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on April 10, 2013
at 12:50 AM

Too many numbers, just eat less.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 10, 2013
at 01:03 AM

lol Matt I agree. Some people like the numbers though. This is an example of some macro ratios that I like to approximate.

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on April 10, 2013
at 01:02 AM

Matt I totally agree. I was just trying to give the OP an idea of what something might look like. I don't count sh** of what I eat :)

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