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So, who wants to be my friend?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 06, 2011 at 9:41 PM

Rose posted this interesting study in the comments of another thread and I thought it deserved a post of it's own. Even though they're studying mice, I find this fascinating. How do you think this applies to humans?

8e75344356f4a455185ee52da0b90bf2

on September 07, 2011
at 12:07 PM

@shari you made me LOL! I may have you all beat, tho. I had 5 kids in the space of 5 years and one month and started at the age of 38. My two girls (now 8 and 7) are less than 10 months apart. My hubby is still looking a bit exhausted, ROFL!

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on September 07, 2011
at 03:41 AM

Yeah...It puts a whole 'nother psin on comfort food...reminds me of an excellent Geneen Roth book on overeating/eating d/o : Feeding the Hungry Heart.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on September 07, 2011
at 02:41 AM

and some disinfecting wipes.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on September 07, 2011
at 02:41 AM

mer, jamie and i are already in. fo sho. LB is going to bring his records and jamie is bringing his donuts and beer. im bringing my knitting.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on September 07, 2011
at 12:35 AM

@Shari - @AKd - @ LB - @KAMAL & ARAVIND @sherpamelissa @anyone who will listen - houseboat+humping it to the AHS+humping it back to the houseboat+icy cold harbor skinny dipping + fun loving crazies = MORE BAT than you can handle! How do ya like them apples?

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on September 07, 2011
at 12:21 AM

@happy now that is very very fascinating...

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on September 07, 2011
at 12:20 AM

@akd. exactly. somebody go get kamal and aravind and bring them back into the fold! @shari u know ya wanna :)

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on September 07, 2011
at 12:03 AM

Another middle child by 12 months and a few days. My parents were not frisky. My dad just rolled in his sleep a lot.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on September 07, 2011
at 12:00 AM

I don't care how much brown fat it buys me there is no way in hell I'm getting on a boat with any of you bunch of whack-ohs. Happy Now that is fascinating!

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

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on September 06, 2011
at 11:41 PM

this is why i hang out on facebook with my paleohacks friends all damn day. its for my health. for ALL our health. its for the good of the collective, and keeps me WICKED skinny. obviously.

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(24553)

on September 06, 2011
at 10:37 PM

Fascinating. I wonder if this might explain the crazy thing that happened when I went from being a barista in a crazy busy shop with 200-400 customers/shift to a slow one with maybe 50 customers tops. I ate the same amount of crap food at each one, and went down a dress size at the busy place, but up 3 dress sizes at the slow place. I just thought it was difference in energy expenditure from all that tamping and extra dish washing, but if all the greetings, small talk, and drink memorization had something to do with it, I think that is very cool.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on September 06, 2011
at 10:32 PM

my momma dropped 3 boys in a 3.5 year period. momma was friskier and obviously didn't learn from the previous surprise dad dropped on her...

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on September 06, 2011
at 10:28 PM

Got you beat LB - try 12 months and one day behind my taller, but much more obnoxious (is it possible?) bother - I mean brother. Mama was frisky.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on September 06, 2011
at 10:28 PM

primordial, i was kind of hoping for a little free-wheeling though on an interesting study. i'll probably be commenting as other poster's comments get my brain going...

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on September 06, 2011
at 10:26 PM

i love this, mer. learning alot from deep nut, huh? as a second child born 16 mos after my more handsome and much smarter brother, it's not in my capacity to understand that book:-)

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on September 06, 2011
at 10:24 PM

i see what u did there:-) i like where you took this, mem. makes me think of comfort food differently.

8e75344356f4a455185ee52da0b90bf2

on September 06, 2011
at 10:15 PM

Me too. Trying to avoid being Forever Alone. Much rather be Me Gusta! (If you are not a MemeBaser then you are excused from this reply)

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on September 06, 2011
at 10:07 PM

Just one more reason why a certain group of crazy mo-fos should rent a houseboat on Boston Harbor next summer for AHS12. They'd be gettin' so much BAT they'll be unrecognizable by the end of the weekend!

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on September 06, 2011
at 10:00 PM

Jeepers, Rose! Did you have to spoil my fun, lol! ;) Thanks for the addition.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on September 06, 2011
at 09:57 PM

Fascinating study, LB. I have to think on it a bit though. In general, I am not nearly as dismissive of rodent studies, re applicability to humans, as many others are. Given that we about 60% genetically alike with bananas, 75% with chickens and 85% with mice, I'd say there's alot to think about. There's only about a 1.2% diff between modern humans and chimps through much of the genetic code. Source: Smithsonian Mus Nat Hist...evo exhibit ;) I was in DC last week! Primordial: Better check your computer. Great link!

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(11996)

on September 06, 2011
at 09:50 PM

Ah, lb saved me with a link in that other thread, so I get to return to favor: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110906121242.htm

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on September 06, 2011
at 09:44 PM

How do we think what applies to humans? At least some information can't do harm if we want to talk about something.

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0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on September 06, 2011
at 10:21 PM

Not a very sciency answer - but I'm not really equipped for that anyway.

I like to think that people "assimilate their environment" (I prolly totally stole this from someone - but since I can't remember who, I'll take the credit). Environment includes food, weather, light, relationships, stress (good and bad).

Dr. Cate who wrote Deep Nutrition says that both food and exercise are types of information. Why couldn't we just expand that thought to include all sorts of influences - like relationships? Relationships acting as information on bodily cells makes sense - if you are in a precarious and even dangerous relationship, you better have some high circulating blood sugar so you can run your butt on out the door (most of us don't so this so it ends up in the belly). If you are surrounded by fun loving fools who like to scamper and play all day, then you better be nimble and be capable of producing a lot of energy just to keep up.

I'm gonna surround myself with fun-loving fools for the next 30 days, n=1. I'll let you know how it turns out :)

8e75344356f4a455185ee52da0b90bf2

on September 07, 2011
at 12:07 PM

@shari you made me LOL! I may have you all beat, tho. I had 5 kids in the space of 5 years and one month and started at the age of 38. My two girls (now 8 and 7) are less than 10 months apart. My hubby is still looking a bit exhausted, ROFL!

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on September 06, 2011
at 10:26 PM

i love this, mer. learning alot from deep nut, huh? as a second child born 16 mos after my more handsome and much smarter brother, it's not in my capacity to understand that book:-)

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on September 06, 2011
at 10:28 PM

Got you beat LB - try 12 months and one day behind my taller, but much more obnoxious (is it possible?) bother - I mean brother. Mama was frisky.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on September 07, 2011
at 12:03 AM

Another middle child by 12 months and a few days. My parents were not frisky. My dad just rolled in his sleep a lot.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on September 06, 2011
at 10:32 PM

my momma dropped 3 boys in a 3.5 year period. momma was friskier and obviously didn't learn from the previous surprise dad dropped on her...

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Fff58a1fd1e29d93fd6a25d3fdebbade

(400)

on September 06, 2011
at 09:59 PM

I need more friends.

8e75344356f4a455185ee52da0b90bf2

on September 06, 2011
at 10:15 PM

Me too. Trying to avoid being Forever Alone. Much rather be Me Gusta! (If you are not a MemeBaser then you are excused from this reply)

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Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on September 06, 2011
at 10:20 PM

This is what I think:

"The new result may offer insight into studies showing a link between loneliness and ill health, Cao says. "Loneliness is a profound factor for cancer and death; it's on par with cigarette smoking," she says. "Social engagement is very important."

Makes me think back to the 90's and Candace Pert's research which for the first time showed/established that emotions register on a molecular level - that there is actually an effect/change that can be seen on a molecular level. Thus, her work caem in the beginiing to be referred to as "molecules of emotion." She was a researcher at the NIH then.

The idea that we are separate from our environments or that our brains and bodies are in any way separate is actually what is very, very strange.

I believe of anyone in the ancestral community, Erwan LeCorre understands this and lives this at a truly molecular level.

So, do I think this study is applicable to humans? Yeah, you're darn tootin!

And it is yet another twist on obesity...many pathways...many exacerbators...And many of them actually or potentially simutaneous.

The following also makes me think of Taubes work...

"Although it isn't yet clear why, the new study shows fat to be one of the organs most responsive to changes in the environment. The findings might therefore have important lessons for us about the causes of the obesity epidemic we now face."

Could it be...could it be....that adipocytes have a life of their own, so to speak...that perhpas as Taubes postulates, the first defect in the development of obesity is a defect of fat storage, not a defect in the brain...

And, too, that in some cases, in could be both-and...

Great pick-up, LB and Rose!

Now go to sleep tonight and know that there is no difference between your fat cells and your emotions/brain... ;)

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on September 07, 2011
at 03:41 AM

Yeah...It puts a whole 'nother psin on comfort food...reminds me of an excellent Geneen Roth book on overeating/eating d/o : Feeding the Hungry Heart.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on September 06, 2011
at 10:24 PM

i see what u did there:-) i like where you took this, mem. makes me think of comfort food differently.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on September 06, 2011
at 11:22 PM

One big problem with this......in humans Brown Fat is seems to have lost its evolutionary need because our smart brains created our own warmth. But you can reclaim brown fat by using cold training. This is something I began doing the last two falls and winter. Most human brown fat is posterior cervical and on the anterior chest wall (in men) Women lose most of the brown fat over their chest when their breast form. I still think having friends is important for longevity. Many studies in humans have shown the more social contacts on has the longer one lives. And if you think about it......the more brown fat a mice has confers it longevity too......so the parallel remains.

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