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Reversing Heart Disease

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 27, 2010 at 10:26 PM

Have there been any studies similar to the Ornish one, which used low-fat to reverse heart disease, which used a low-carb diet?

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on October 27, 2011
at 08:35 PM

If you can metabolize fat easily and use it well, then there is no reason to think that consuming (non-trans) fat is inherently detrimental. The reason why I'm putting this in a comment is because I have limited knowledge on it, but I think that exercise + paleo, regardless of what you actually end up eating (as long as it is paleo) will "reverse" heart disease in a nutshell. Paleo reverses Metabolic Syndrome, which may manifest as heart disease.

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on October 27, 2011
at 08:33 PM

If you can metabolize fat easily and use it well, then there is no reason to think that consuming (non-trans) fat is inherently detrimental. The reason why I'm putting this in a comment is because I have limited knowledge on it, but I think that exercise + paleo, regardless of what you actually end up eating (as long as it is paleo) will "reverse" heart disease in a nutshell.

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:33 PM

AC - A brilliant comment from you. And further to that... Hoog doesn't realize that the same can be said about any diet, but that does not mean you fault the premise of the diet. It only proves that people are goofy. The "Paleo" concept is misunderstood by many, so since when does it make sense to fault Paleo in general instead of the very people that misrepresent it?

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on October 27, 2011
at 04:59 PM

Hoog, you may have some valid points in there, but do you not see that you are attacking? You criticize those who attack, yet that is the bulk of what you're doing.

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on June 06, 2010
at 08:38 AM

Ornish's study is poorly designed, and didn't reverse heart disease. http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00000471

"Experimental-group patients were prescribed a lifestyle program including a low-fat vegetarian diet, moderate aerobic exercise, stress management training, stopping smoking, and group support."

Any changes in the progression/regression of heart disease in the experimental group could be attributed to a number of lifestyle factors, not just diet.

Also note the clinical endpoint.

"The average percentage diameter stenosis regressed from 40.0 (SD 16.9)% to 37.8 (16.5)% in the experimental group...."

Not MI, death from MI or mortality; no long term followup.

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on October 27, 2011
at 04:55 PM

Attack, attack, attack. When people need to defend a diet that hard, there's something to hide. Funny how other 'diets' are attacked, specifically that there's no long term proof that it works, and this paleo thing has been around how long? And don't give me that crap that it goes back to the beginning of man. On top of that, I've read 4 different books on Paleo, and each diet is different, esp with regards to how dairy is accepted or not. Were yogurt, protein powders, cottage cheese, and the like a part of the primitive man's/woman's diet. Diet isn't an exact science, as much as scientists try to make it so.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on October 27, 2011
at 06:33 PM

AC - A brilliant comment from you. And further to that... Hoog doesn't realize that the same can be said about any diet, but that does not mean you fault the premise of the diet. It only proves that people are goofy. The "Paleo" concept is misunderstood by many, so since when does it make sense to fault Paleo in general instead of the very people that misrepresent it?

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on October 27, 2011
at 04:59 PM

Hoog, you may have some valid points in there, but do you not see that you are attacking? You criticize those who attack, yet that is the bulk of what you're doing.

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on May 08, 2010
at 02:38 AM

try looking up track your plaque Dr Davis he has a book out "track your Plaque."

also dr ornish is trashed also by Protein Power Dr Eades see their website

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on April 27, 2010
at 11:09 PM

Not a controlled trial but I like this study. I think there have been some small trials on low-carb diets and CVD that use surrogate markers (cholesterol, etc) and find that low-carb diets seem to help risk CVD risk factors. If I come across one I'll post it.

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on October 27, 2011
at 07:25 PM

Heart disease is caused by genetics & lifestyle choices. Some people get it from carbs, others don't. Though I honestly think higher carb is wrong for just about everyone and Ornish is high.

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