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More acne the longer I am on Paleo

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 20, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Before I started I had clear skin and would get a zit once in a while. My skin was not perfect bu overall good.

When I switched to Paleo I began eating high fat and high carbs to gain weight. I lost weight and started breaking out. After 6 months all hell started breaking lose. I was on a low carb Paleo diet (20-60g of carbs a day). I started having PMS, hair loss, thyroid problems, liver problems, fatigue and aches. I increased my carb intake and started a detox with DIM, milk thistle, vitex and burdock root. My liver improved drastically, my thyroid went back to normal...my periods got better, even my skin improved a bit.

But, since I have not progressed. I still have mild PMS and moderate acne. I have given it three months to settle since starting the detox and 6 months since it all worsened.

I was thinking about trying to detox other parts of the body or taking herbs that help regulate hormones, but I would not know what to use and what to detox?

I also wonder if there is still anything that needs to be fixed with my diet. I eat a fairly large amount of butter for calories and carbs. Without them I would have other bad problems. I need calories from fat to keep a remotely normal weight and carbs so I don't experience the low Dcarb problems again.

Aside from that I eat a moderate amount of meat and fish and veggies. No dairy, rice or potatos. I do feel like they might worsen my acne but it is hard to say.

I take above named supplements plus vitamin D3, magnesium and ferrous iron. I am a 30yo. female.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 21, 2013
at 10:52 PM

Oh I see. I read about low stomach acid. Thanks! I think I should look into GAPS anyway. I really do seem to have issues with digesting certain things and it makes sense it would cause acne.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 21, 2013
at 10:50 PM

Bone broth yes but I have never tried shellfish. The goat kefir won't be an acne trigger then? Cause I am thinking dairy products can really worsen it. I hate the taste of kefir...can fruit like orange be added?

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on March 21, 2013
at 10:30 PM

Eat more fermented foods. I'd even go for some home-made GOAT kefir (ferment it for 24 hours to remove lactose, the goat part will give you a gentler casein too). Do you drink bone broth? How about shellfish?

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 08:34 PM

I know the article and it is great. But I am not ready to try actual drugs just yet. I want to see what I can do naturally first. I am also breastfeeding and could not tale certain drugs. I used to take the pill but I developed many problems on it and after getting off. Here is what the author says:" In all cases, I do not generally recommend that women get on BCP, as it can cause worse hormonal dysregulation in the long run (sort of like handicapping a delicate hormonal system), and does not solve the underlying problem." but her exPlanations are good!

7d19456e2f7108db184deeff25ae1b7d

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on March 21, 2013
at 08:28 PM

HCL supplements are just hydrochloric acid supplements to raise your stomach acid levels and get your digestive juices flowing...

7d19456e2f7108db184deeff25ae1b7d

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on March 21, 2013
at 08:28 PM

Im not saying to cut veggies out forever, but to cut them all out for maybe 2 weeks and see if your acne improves. If it does, then you probably have something messed up with your digestive system and should do the GAPS protocol diet. Also, if you suspect sibo, I would also look at eliminating high fodmaps to...

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on March 21, 2013
at 05:02 PM

That really sucks, I am sorry. I absolutely disclaim any knowledge about whether this is helpful or not, but I came across this the other day (just in case you haven't seen it. Also, pardon the worst stock photo in the history of the world): http://www.paleoforwomen.com/hormonal-acne-where-its-coming-from-and-what-to-do-about-it/

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on March 21, 2013
at 04:17 PM

i don't think there would be any problem with mixing it with water. also drizzling it on salads might help because of the water content of the vegetables. though if you're going to consume olive oil i suggest you invest in a really nice bottle, 10$+. it's expensive but well worth it. i don't touch the supermarket stuff. a lot of it contains soybean oil. specialty stores will carry the good stuff. and be sure to store it in a cool dark place so it doesn't oxidize. make sure you get a dark colored bottle.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 21, 2013
at 04:13 PM

Yes all around the side of my mouth corners and chin. Just not in the center. I also have it all across my cheeks from far back by my ear to the very front closer to the nose and a few small bumps on my forehead. My skin is oily and dry. I mostly get the cysts that stay under the skin or that shrink and then develop a small head. I have clogged pores, not actual black blackheads that much and I get the teeny tiny whiteheads too. I have about 30 pimples daily. I used to have like two a week.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 21, 2013
at 04:09 PM

I was thinking about cutting out veggies that arr known to cause sibo and bloating first? I love veggies, I will miss them lol.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 21, 2013
at 04:08 PM

Oh I did not know they have that many calories. I can try to add at least some. I have taken olive oil from a spoon before but it burns my throat. Is it okay taken with water? I had never seen raw butter as processed, or ghee, but it truly does take some processing.

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on March 21, 2013
at 03:41 PM

you could try replacing some of your butter intake with olive oil. just as calorically dense and for me not nearly as inflammatory as butter. larger avocados have about 200 calories per fruit and i usually eat 2-3 a day, but i really love them. that may be too many for others.

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on March 21, 2013
at 03:34 PM

Is it hormonally patterned (around your mouth and chin) or all over? Whiteheads, blackheads or cysts?

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 03:07 PM

I wish I could give that a try but it seems to be hard to keep my calories up even with 85 grams of butter a day. I get bloated from nuts. Are there any other potent sources of fat? To get the same amount of calories from avocado then from butter I will have to eat a whole lot and that will cost. They are so expensive here.

C28ae8c7a12a730363835acf21e962a2

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on March 21, 2013
at 03:06 PM

i disagree on cutting out veggies entirely. completely eliminating vegetables seems pretty drastic. if you were to do something like this, experiment with cutting them out one at a time. try cutting out nightshades, if that does nothing then switch to cutting out raw cruciferous vegetables, etc. until you find the problem.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 21, 2013
at 02:55 PM

I see. I will try cutting out butter first! I get bloated from many carbs and bananas are among the few better tolerated.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 21, 2013
at 02:33 PM

Oh and what are HCL supplements?

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 21, 2013
at 02:31 PM

Can I get all my carbs from fruit then? I need about 140-170g. Bananas help but not sure if it would be good eating 7 bananas a day. Would I need to replace nutrients from veggies with something? I don't want to risk sliding into malnutrition again.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 02:29 PM

I have had ups and downs with products, but I am using the same not greasy moisturizer from Devita. It was what made me break out the least. It is Paleo and has perfect ingredients. You can test samples at some whole foods stores if you want to give that a try. I use the solar protective moisturizer (thin layer) during the day and perfecting time at night. Years back when products caused me mild blemishes this really transformed my skin. I haven't really changed anything about my routine. I started sudden in September. Like from one day to the other almost.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 02:21 PM

Yeah..I'm not stressed at all actually. Not sure why my post cam across this way, but I actually have the least amount of stressed at this point in my life. Even when my life was horrible and stressful years ago I would not break out. Guess it can't be that. My guess would be hormones too.

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on March 21, 2013
at 01:08 PM

Bananas are high glycemic. I don't know how relevant the connection is to high glycemic foods because they don't take the other stuff out. So something naturally high glycemic, like a banana may not really be an issue, because all the high glycemic stuff with wheat and soy in it is skewing their results.

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on March 20, 2013
at 10:11 PM

Butter is loaded with DHT precursors...switch it out for something else like lard and see what happens.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 20, 2013
at 07:46 PM

Yes I am eating more veggies now, but my skin was pretty bad on mostly meat and fat too. I never really looked in fodmap, thanks! Not picking is hard, but I fo my best not to and my skin seems less irritated at least. I often feel squeezing one pimple will create six more. I was with water, honey and tone with apple cider vinegar. The acv seems to help actually!

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 20, 2013
at 05:34 PM

I have been thinking about giving ghee a try. I don't really eat high glycemic foods I think? Unless sweet potatos and bananas are? I avoid soy and lecithin even in cosmetics but my DIM supplement has a hint of soy. I was hoping it would not cause a problem.

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C28ae8c7a12a730363835acf21e962a2

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on March 21, 2013
at 03:02 PM

for me personally, i found that a lot of fat caused me to break out, especially refined and processed fats like coconut cream, oils, and butter. i switched to getting my fat from whole, unprocessed foods like fish, whole coconuts, raw olives, avocados, ocassionally fatty nuts like walnuts/macadamias. after a week of switching my diet my skin was clear again.

C28ae8c7a12a730363835acf21e962a2

(715)

on March 21, 2013
at 03:41 PM

you could try replacing some of your butter intake with olive oil. just as calorically dense and for me not nearly as inflammatory as butter. larger avocados have about 200 calories per fruit and i usually eat 2-3 a day, but i really love them. that may be too many for others.

C28ae8c7a12a730363835acf21e962a2

(715)

on March 21, 2013
at 04:17 PM

i don't think there would be any problem with mixing it with water. also drizzling it on salads might help because of the water content of the vegetables. though if you're going to consume olive oil i suggest you invest in a really nice bottle, 10$+. it's expensive but well worth it. i don't touch the supermarket stuff. a lot of it contains soybean oil. specialty stores will carry the good stuff. and be sure to store it in a cool dark place so it doesn't oxidize. make sure you get a dark colored bottle.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 04:08 PM

Oh I did not know they have that many calories. I can try to add at least some. I have taken olive oil from a spoon before but it burns my throat. Is it okay taken with water? I had never seen raw butter as processed, or ghee, but it truly does take some processing.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 03:07 PM

I wish I could give that a try but it seems to be hard to keep my calories up even with 85 grams of butter a day. I get bloated from nuts. Are there any other potent sources of fat? To get the same amount of calories from avocado then from butter I will have to eat a whole lot and that will cost. They are so expensive here.

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7d19456e2f7108db184deeff25ae1b7d

on March 21, 2013
at 01:57 PM

I know this is going to sound weird, but try cutting out all veggies.

I had terrible acne before and after being on paleo for 2 years, and this is the only thing that has healed my acne.

If this helps then you need to do the GAPS intro diet. Also, try taking HCL supplements.

C28ae8c7a12a730363835acf21e962a2

(715)

on March 21, 2013
at 03:06 PM

i disagree on cutting out veggies entirely. completely eliminating vegetables seems pretty drastic. if you were to do something like this, experiment with cutting them out one at a time. try cutting out nightshades, if that does nothing then switch to cutting out raw cruciferous vegetables, etc. until you find the problem.

7d19456e2f7108db184deeff25ae1b7d

(113)

on March 21, 2013
at 08:28 PM

Im not saying to cut veggies out forever, but to cut them all out for maybe 2 weeks and see if your acne improves. If it does, then you probably have something messed up with your digestive system and should do the GAPS protocol diet. Also, if you suspect sibo, I would also look at eliminating high fodmaps to...

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 02:31 PM

Can I get all my carbs from fruit then? I need about 140-170g. Bananas help but not sure if it would be good eating 7 bananas a day. Would I need to replace nutrients from veggies with something? I don't want to risk sliding into malnutrition again.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 04:09 PM

I was thinking about cutting out veggies that arr known to cause sibo and bloating first? I love veggies, I will miss them lol.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 10:52 PM

Oh I see. I read about low stomach acid. Thanks! I think I should look into GAPS anyway. I really do seem to have issues with digesting certain things and it makes sense it would cause acne.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 02:33 PM

Oh and what are HCL supplements?

7d19456e2f7108db184deeff25ae1b7d

(113)

on March 21, 2013
at 08:28 PM

HCL supplements are just hydrochloric acid supplements to raise your stomach acid levels and get your digestive juices flowing...

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A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on March 21, 2013
at 01:46 PM

What do you moisturize with? I ask because I also broke out like crazy after switching to paleo, ditching soap, and using coconut oil to moisturize (or almond or grapeseed oil). I gave it a YEAR and tried everything. Zinc, more selenium, less selenium, primrose oil, borage seed oil, more omega 3s, less omega 3s, no butter, more butter, fermented foods, bone broth, apple cider vinegar, nightshade free, low salicylate, completely dairy free, no starches, more starches, every supplement recommended by Jaminet, Wolf, Sisson, tea tree oil, grapefruit seed extract, etc, etc. Nothing worked. Then I thought maybe it was rosacea or perioral dermatitis or related to my autoimmune disease (which is kind of was). I wanted to be one of those "I just started eating six sardines a day and taking a chromium pill and now everything is perfect!" people but I just am not.

Switched back to a "gentle" Neutrogena cleanser, Cetaphil lotion, and (here come the downvotes), Retin A and my face is dramatically clearing up. In theory, I 100% support the idea of not using that crap as I am aware that it is packed full of terrible things. But, I spent the last year of my life with pretty horrible acne and I'd like to not have it at least for a little bit.

Sorry for the downer answer. Not that I am recommending going back to bagels and Clearasil or anything, but sharing my experience for what it is worth.

A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on March 21, 2013
at 03:34 PM

Is it hormonally patterned (around your mouth and chin) or all over? Whiteheads, blackheads or cysts?

A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on March 21, 2013
at 05:02 PM

That really sucks, I am sorry. I absolutely disclaim any knowledge about whether this is helpful or not, but I came across this the other day (just in case you haven't seen it. Also, pardon the worst stock photo in the history of the world): http://www.paleoforwomen.com/hormonal-acne-where-its-coming-from-and-what-to-do-about-it/

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 08:34 PM

I know the article and it is great. But I am not ready to try actual drugs just yet. I want to see what I can do naturally first. I am also breastfeeding and could not tale certain drugs. I used to take the pill but I developed many problems on it and after getting off. Here is what the author says:" In all cases, I do not generally recommend that women get on BCP, as it can cause worse hormonal dysregulation in the long run (sort of like handicapping a delicate hormonal system), and does not solve the underlying problem." but her exPlanations are good!

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 04:13 PM

Yes all around the side of my mouth corners and chin. Just not in the center. I also have it all across my cheeks from far back by my ear to the very front closer to the nose and a few small bumps on my forehead. My skin is oily and dry. I mostly get the cysts that stay under the skin or that shrink and then develop a small head. I have clogged pores, not actual black blackheads that much and I get the teeny tiny whiteheads too. I have about 30 pimples daily. I used to have like two a week.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 02:29 PM

I have had ups and downs with products, but I am using the same not greasy moisturizer from Devita. It was what made me break out the least. It is Paleo and has perfect ingredients. You can test samples at some whole foods stores if you want to give that a try. I use the solar protective moisturizer (thin layer) during the day and perfecting time at night. Years back when products caused me mild blemishes this really transformed my skin. I haven't really changed anything about my routine. I started sudden in September. Like from one day to the other almost.

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on March 21, 2013
at 11:55 AM

it could be stress that's contributing, you do come across as quite worried, which is natural as spots are nasty & annoying but it can be a vicious cycle

maybe your not stressed at all though so don't it personal but i know that when i stop stressing my skin improves greatly, radiance (which includes health & skin) IMO starts with happiness & feeling relaxed

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 02:21 PM

Yeah..I'm not stressed at all actually. Not sure why my post cam across this way, but I actually have the least amount of stressed at this point in my life. Even when my life was horrible and stressful years ago I would not break out. Guess it can't be that. My guess would be hormones too.

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on March 20, 2013
at 07:21 PM

I still get acne, too...avoiding high quantities of FODMAPs and making sure they are cooked really well helps a bit (are you eating a lot more veggies now?). Also, leave your skin alone! I started washing with just water and try my hardest not to pick at or examine my skin up close all the time. Picking really makes things worse.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 20, 2013
at 07:46 PM

Yes I am eating more veggies now, but my skin was pretty bad on mostly meat and fat too. I never really looked in fodmap, thanks! Not picking is hard, but I fo my best not to and my skin seems less irritated at least. I often feel squeezing one pimple will create six more. I was with water, honey and tone with apple cider vinegar. The acv seems to help actually!

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on March 20, 2013
at 03:36 PM

Some butters make me break out. I think it is the milk protein casein. An easy way to see if this is the problem is to switch to ghee since that process takes pretty much all the proteins out.

In addition to milk, there is a link to high glycemic foods too. Also, if you have any products with wheat or soy in it, even just lethicin, I have noticed pimples after eating these things.

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on March 21, 2013
at 01:08 PM

Bananas are high glycemic. I don't know how relevant the connection is to high glycemic foods because they don't take the other stuff out. So something naturally high glycemic, like a banana may not really be an issue, because all the high glycemic stuff with wheat and soy in it is skewing their results.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 20, 2013
at 05:34 PM

I have been thinking about giving ghee a try. I don't really eat high glycemic foods I think? Unless sweet potatos and bananas are? I avoid soy and lecithin even in cosmetics but my DIM supplement has a hint of soy. I was hoping it would not cause a problem.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 02:55 PM

I see. I will try cutting out butter first! I get bloated from many carbs and bananas are among the few better tolerated.

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3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

on March 21, 2013
at 03:11 PM

Oh and I just wAnted to say thank you for all the sugestions! I will look into everything since I want to make improvements in every possible way.

One thing that just came to my mind is SIBO as a contributor: http://chriskresser.com/naturally-get-rid-of-acne-by-fixing-your-gut

I have mild intestinal pains every day. Not nearly as bad as in the past but I get bloated from carbs and my stomach looks very bloated too. Especialky sweet potato does it.

My problem though is that I need 140-170 g of carbs. I breastfeed a tOddler, so my carbs are shared anyway, and under a certain amount I feel fatigued and lose hair etc.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 21, 2013
at 10:50 PM

Bone broth yes but I have never tried shellfish. The goat kefir won't be an acne trigger then? Cause I am thinking dairy products can really worsen it. I hate the taste of kefir...can fruit like orange be added?

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 21, 2013
at 10:30 PM

Eat more fermented foods. I'd even go for some home-made GOAT kefir (ferment it for 24 hours to remove lactose, the goat part will give you a gentler casein too). Do you drink bone broth? How about shellfish?

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3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

on March 21, 2013
at 10:59 AM

Bump.

I'm sure there might be more things to consider. So if anyone else knows something I would really appreciate the input.

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