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Meat and root veg cooked in animal fat- will this stall or reverse weight loss?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 06, 2012 at 3:51 AM

I posted the following on the primal forums but the thread went down in the flames of off topic hijacking. So Im going to try again here=)------

We are old newbies to this primal way of life. I have done mountains of reading on the primal and paleo lifestyles and he has been following low carb (and by accident) a fairly primal diet for a few years.

I have been tweeking our ratios and lifestyle ideas and feel like we are close to optimal but I still have questions.

Currently we are seeking guidance in carb/fat ratios. I know that up to 100 carbs should be ok but it seems almost too decadent to be true. Bf and I are eating (general daily diet- not exact just an overview)

Breakfast: Eggs and uncured beef bacon + - peppers

Lunch/dinner: Roast, chicken, ground beef, salmon etc with either kale or- root vegtables such as Turnip, beets, rutabaga, parsnips, radishes and occasionally carrots

I cook the root veg in chicken fat or roast fat and ghee.

-- OR "spaghetti" made with spaghetti squash, ground beef, NO sugar added marinara (made with only olive oil and other organic real ingredients- at trader joes), zucchini, peppers etc

We eat cheese but are really cutting down now that we discovered vit D supplements and no longer feel an extreme craving for dairy (vit d added). I eat kiwis off and on and berries but I dont stress over it. I do not go crazy with them.

We kind of go with what veg feels "right'. It is different in spring/summer/fall than winter. We eat a lot more lower starch veg in other seasons.

So I guess I am just having a hard time believing that full fat meat with starchy veg cooked in ghee/animal fat is ok. It tastes too darn good to be good for us (isnt that always the rule). Sooo much fat and what feels like a decent dose of starch?

Plus bf lost weight by following a basically no carb diet for years. I am worried that by adding these carbs he will stall or not make his goal. He is extremely active and diligent with workouts but needs to drop below a certain measurement for entering the military. I think he is healthy this way.. but that is beyond the point. Thoughts?

A6e2b231f69366ce825476c5a6dcfff6

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on January 06, 2012
at 11:23 PM

Meat + roots = winter food.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on January 06, 2012
at 04:14 PM

Kiwi's are a good source of PQQ and C.

C836b2644e7319bb957fbb794a97708e

on January 06, 2012
at 05:41 AM

LOL sorry I wasnt sure how to say it better than that. Not old as in age. Old as in we are still newbies (and feel like idiots half the time) but have been around for awhile trying to learn.

C836b2644e7319bb957fbb794a97708e

on January 06, 2012
at 04:44 AM

We are looking at keeping the servings at 1/2-3/4 cup per meal twice a day. So not technically over our 80 carbs per day but they are pretty starchy...

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7842808cd699f35741248f8e55c776bd

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on January 06, 2012
at 04:45 PM

I would simply say: you have to be willing to experiment. Trying it out for a while and considering the results isn't going to hurt anything. If your BF's current weight loss stalls, for example, then he can simply change back (or to another experiment).

Everyone's body is different. I know some people who couldn't lose weight until they went VLC (<20g/day) and some who needed to incorporate refeeds (>300g once or twice a week) to adjust insulin sensitivity. Kurt Harris, as another example, recommends a calorie ratio of 5% from carbs, 10-15% from protein, and 80-85% from fat as a weight loss structure. But recommendations are all over the place, really.

Just remember N=1. I find one of the most interesting things about a paleo lifestyle is my new sense of adventure and self-experimentation. There's nothing like coming to a fuller understanding of what your body wants and needs for an optimal state.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on January 06, 2012
at 04:33 PM

Yeah, once you go VLC, and remove the intake of sugared foods, 100g of carbs seems like a ton, especially if it's from things like sweet potatoes.

Kiwi's are a good source of PQQ and C.

Carb VS Fat depends on what your goals are. Since you're going under 100g of carbs, you're doing low carb.

For protein, stick to the old ~1g/lbs/day of target body weight. (Got that from Nora Gedgaudas, though others have made the same recommendation.) Both protein and carbs do cause insulin spikes, though protein's are less harmful, and depending on what you eat with the protein, will cause thermogenesis, which isn't too horrible.

With protein, keep in mind that meat is only 25%-30% protein, the rest is mostly water and some fats, so multiply the protein grams by 3 or 4 to get the meat portion.

Multiply the protein grams by 4 to give you Kcals, then add 400Kcals for your carbs. The rest you fill up with fats.

So you could either sit there and figure out your activity level and the number of calories you should eat each day, which is a painful waste of time, or you can simply rely on your hunger. Make sure you get at least the proper amount of protein/day from meats/eggs/fish, and then eat as much good fats from butter/ghee, coconut, palm, avocado, olive oil, cheese, tallow, bacon, lard, etc. as it takes to feel full.

You could even go upto 150g of carbs/day and not gain fat, but it will stall fat loss if that's your goal. If your BF feels like death after a big workout, refeed with some good carbs, maybe a single banana or some sweet potato. Otherwise, if he's still energetic after his workouts, there's no need.

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on January 06, 2012
at 05:36 AM

"old newbies" How old can you and your bf be if he's considering joining the military? It sounds like you are eating great.

C836b2644e7319bb957fbb794a97708e

on January 06, 2012
at 05:41 AM

LOL sorry I wasnt sure how to say it better than that. Not old as in age. Old as in we are still newbies (and feel like idiots half the time) but have been around for awhile trying to learn.

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on January 06, 2012
at 04:26 AM

Well excessive food of any kind will be likely to stall weight loss. Excessive carbs, even root vegetables are worse than excessive fat and protein for most people. Root vegetables still release insulin and still stimulate apatite.

I've lost about 80lbs but still often struggle with eating too many root vegetables.

C836b2644e7319bb957fbb794a97708e

on January 06, 2012
at 04:44 AM

We are looking at keeping the servings at 1/2-3/4 cup per meal twice a day. So not technically over our 80 carbs per day but they are pretty starchy...

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on January 06, 2012
at 04:39 PM

Here's my best direct answer to your question: Yes.

Oh, you want more? Well, I make bone broth stews with a high percentage of marrow and fat plus large chunks of meat. I include some non-starchy vegetables but will also throw in a few carrots or sweet potato chunks or rutabaga.

The stews are what I eat (plus yogurt and fruit in the morning) about 4 days per week. In addition to the stew, I may have a grapefruit and a green salad. At the end of the fruit-salad-stew meal, I feel stuffed and content.

Eating this way, I've lost half my excess body fat (about 40 lbs) and I'm moving steadily downward in a way I can see each week.

So, Yes.

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on January 06, 2012
at 09:22 AM

It's a question of balance, and finding the right way to make your meals. If you've been doing fine and everything is working and it is important not to interrupt weight-loss progress then why change anything right now? Experimentation is great but may not be worth the risk for your bf right now I guess. I get the impression the confusion is coming with the change of season? Root vegetables are starchier, so maybe eat less weight of veg over winter. Bear in mind that food was a lot more scarce in winter in the old days, and you'd be surviving on your stores a lot of the time so would probably eat all the roots you could find while still likely being calorie restricted and wishing you were hibernating somewhere warm.

There's nothing wrong with finding good food tasty - that's kind of the whole point of taste - the issue is the availability. I'm guessing you may be confused by the increasing number of people suggesting that pounds of potatoes are good for you. Sounds like you don't need them as part of your daily life, so sure be decadent once or twice a week when you find a stash of tubers you can add to your roasting meat but don't think you have to fulfil a carb quota. Everyone who says it's better to eat them found they were struggling on their low-carb plan.

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on January 06, 2012
at 09:06 AM

I cook with animal fat every day and have been losing weight steadily. If you are concerned with weight loss, minimise your starchy carbs for a while.

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