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Ketosis and stubborn fat

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 14, 2012 at 4:23 PM

So, I am thinking of trying ketosis again, because the first time I did it, I only went three weeks, I didn't feel good, and I did not lose weight.

I was wondering if anyone has experimented with ketosis who does not need to lose a huge amount of fat, just about 5 pounds or so? Does it take longer for the fat to go away?

Because I am thinking that maybe I did not try it long enough to actually lose weight, since I do not have a great deal to lose.

I know some of you may ask why I want to do it at all then, but I have this stubborn fat on my stomach that hasn't gone away since I started paleo seven months ago!

Also, does anyone know any tricks, maybe, to help me feel better as I transition into ketosis? I was very low energy, and I never really got to the "euphoric" or "high energy" phase.

I am female, 18, 5'5", 23% body fat.

Thanks!

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on December 14, 2012
at 10:42 PM

The cardio I do is HIIT on the mechanical bike.

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on December 14, 2012
at 06:37 PM

total of about 4 weeks. 7 days to get fully into ketosis, 14 days of consistent recordings above 2mM. followed by 10 days of attempted calorie restriction. My performance started to come back after the first 7 days, which I consider a pretty good measure of adaptation.

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

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on December 14, 2012
at 06:28 PM

By a few weeks, do you mean like 3? It can take 4-6 weeks for your body to become fully keto-adapted. Generating ketones and being keto-adapted are not the same thing. If you stuck in there longer it may have turned out differently

383127951e2e17f23b584cd3842bb796

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on December 14, 2012
at 05:01 PM

have you tried interval training?

5f678ffff153bfc8a17ac1ee438c054f

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on December 14, 2012
at 04:52 PM

I was thinking of just trying to stay low carb until christmas, to maybe get my body more adapt to transitioning into ketosis, and then enjoy Christmas, and then start up low carb afterwards! Of course I will stay paleo. (: Passing up stuffing is tough though. :P

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

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on December 14, 2012
at 04:49 PM

Of course, you should at least stay Paleo :)

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on December 14, 2012
at 04:48 PM

If you haven't started yet, it might be worth waiting until after Christmas to begin. Allow yourself to enjoy the holiday food since you are not already mid-ketosis, and then you can start right after and not have to deal with cravings, or the guilt of giving in anyway!

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on December 14, 2012
at 04:48 PM

I lift heavy three or four times a week, and do cardio once or twice a week. I gain muscle rather quickly on my arms and legs, but my abdomen has shown no improvement, so that is why I am trying ketosis!

5f678ffff153bfc8a17ac1ee438c054f

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on December 14, 2012
at 04:46 PM

I did get discouraged the first time, and that is why I stopped. I will try it for longer this time, I hope I can make it through the Christmas feast! I will also go for those supplements. Thank you!

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2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

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on December 14, 2012
at 04:42 PM

It can take 4-6 weeks for your body to be fully keto-adapted, even though your body will start producing ketones only a couple of days after you start eating a ketogenic diet (low carb, high fat).

Being in ketosis doesn't necessarily mean you will lose weight, but it does help to mobilize fat stores and may improve your chances of losing weight if combined with the correct other factors (exercise, calories, etc)

I don't think ketosis is the answer to your stubborn fat, but I don't have any suggestions as to other approaches as I am not versed in stubborn fat loss solutions.

Ketosis might work for you, but keep in mind what I said about about the 4-6 week period. If you only last 3 weeks you most likely will not have reached a fully keto-adapted state. You might not see any results in 3 weeks which could be discouraging and make you want to quit. If you go this route, give it at least 2 full months before you make a decision about whether it works for you or not.

Additionally, make sure you are supplementing sodium, as eating low carb causes your body to dump sodium and water quickly. This has shown to help with many of the common 'low carb flu' symptoms people experience. Also consider supplementing potassium and magnesium. These should all help with the problems you previously encountered.

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

(435)

on December 14, 2012
at 04:49 PM

Of course, you should at least stay Paleo :)

5f678ffff153bfc8a17ac1ee438c054f

(1405)

on December 14, 2012
at 04:52 PM

I was thinking of just trying to stay low carb until christmas, to maybe get my body more adapt to transitioning into ketosis, and then enjoy Christmas, and then start up low carb afterwards! Of course I will stay paleo. (: Passing up stuffing is tough though. :P

5f678ffff153bfc8a17ac1ee438c054f

(1405)

on December 14, 2012
at 04:46 PM

I did get discouraged the first time, and that is why I stopped. I will try it for longer this time, I hope I can make it through the Christmas feast! I will also go for those supplements. Thank you!

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

(435)

on December 14, 2012
at 04:48 PM

If you haven't started yet, it might be worth waiting until after Christmas to begin. Allow yourself to enjoy the holiday food since you are not already mid-ketosis, and then you can start right after and not have to deal with cravings, or the guilt of giving in anyway!

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on December 14, 2012
at 06:51 PM

Ketosis is a great way to lose weight given you are not enduring some form of intense exercise in which carbs are a great asset.

That being said, ketosis is something that accelerates weight loss, assuming the body has adapted to partitioning fats for energy moreso than sugars. It does not in any way breach the golden rule of calories in vs calories out.

Many people lose initial weight on keto for two reason. First, they are cutting out a substantial amount of calories just from the sugary drinks and other carbs in their diet. Trying to match your caloric intake in just fats and proteins is an endeavor in eating alot of fatty foods interpersed with meat. That is not so easy, so you lose weight. The second reason is that carbs love water. What i experienced years ago doing keto to get to contest shape was that I "flattened out". and dropped 3-4 lbs in 1 week. Obviously this was not fat, but water because carbs were previously responsible for keeping my muscles hydrated and full.

If you just want to drop 5 pounds, eat less. Just eat less.

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on December 14, 2012
at 06:22 PM

I went full blow ketosis for a few weeks and I felt like crap the entire time. Being fat-adapted and being in ketosis are very different things. I do not see ketosis as being particularly good for fat loss. Being fat-adapted, yes. Ketosis maybe not.

Here's what I experienced. When I was in ketosis (over 2mM), my body craved fat more than I have ever experienced in my life. While in keotsis, my body was being deprived glucose and protein, thus the only way for it to survive was to ensure it had plenty of fat stores. So it sought a balance -- equate fat in with fat out (yes it is more complicated than that, but at first order that's the relationship). You can control this, of course, but than I always felt deprived and lethargic. I was eating far more calories in ketosis than I was used to and I could not loose weight or fat.

When I got out of ketosis my body went back to normal. I still burn fat as fuel (in the neighborhood of .35 mM) and in times when I cannot eat (work/life/fasting/whatever) my body efficiently uses fat as a fuel (spiking near 1 mM in a 24 hour period of fasting). But it knows that it's fuel could come in many forms -- glucose via carbs; glucose via GNG from protein; or fat. Thus, I have a higher volume of ketones than most people do, but not at a level where ketosis would be considered (typically between 0.5 and 3.0 mM) and my body can fall into keotsis faster than those who are not fat-adapted, but I don't have the massive fat cravings I did.

So for me, ketosis was not and is not the answer to fat loss. Having metabolic flexibility (is that even a term?) and being fat adapted work better for my body.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on December 14, 2012
at 06:37 PM

total of about 4 weeks. 7 days to get fully into ketosis, 14 days of consistent recordings above 2mM. followed by 10 days of attempted calorie restriction. My performance started to come back after the first 7 days, which I consider a pretty good measure of adaptation.

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

(435)

on December 14, 2012
at 06:28 PM

By a few weeks, do you mean like 3? It can take 4-6 weeks for your body to become fully keto-adapted. Generating ketones and being keto-adapted are not the same thing. If you stuck in there longer it may have turned out differently

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on December 14, 2012
at 05:17 PM

I'm fully keto adapted and have been since May 2012. I lost 15 lbs straight off. I need to lose another 20 lbs, however, and I've been hanging out at the same weight, going up slightly and down slightly for the past 4 months. Its frustrating. I'm starting to wonder if adding a tiny bit of carbs would be better. I'd love to hear your results, as I'm a bit frustrated.

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383127951e2e17f23b584cd3842bb796

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on December 14, 2012
at 04:45 PM

have you tried exercise?

5f678ffff153bfc8a17ac1ee438c054f

(1405)

on December 14, 2012
at 04:48 PM

I lift heavy three or four times a week, and do cardio once or twice a week. I gain muscle rather quickly on my arms and legs, but my abdomen has shown no improvement, so that is why I am trying ketosis!

5f678ffff153bfc8a17ac1ee438c054f

(1405)

on December 14, 2012
at 10:42 PM

The cardio I do is HIIT on the mechanical bike.

383127951e2e17f23b584cd3842bb796

(835)

on December 14, 2012
at 05:01 PM

have you tried interval training?

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