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Is VLC my only long term solution for cravings/fat loss?

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Created October 05, 2012 at 4:28 AM

I seriously need to lose weight, and put a stop to my copious gaining phase lately. I have been binging OVER and OVER again, and every day I tell myself tomorrow will be better I do it again. It's like I have an addiction or something. I lost 15 lbs when I went Paleo 4 Months ago at very low carb, but right when I had carbs again, I totally lost it. :( I know I have to go very low carb again to beat this addiction before my consistent binging makes me obese. It is not healthy. I keep gaining and gaining, telling myself I'm going to fast 24 hours again the next day and then I binge like crazy. I think what I need to do is go cold turkey again... basically eating only meat, and my only carbs being leafy greens (kale, spinach, romaine, etc FODMAPS) with no 24 hour fasts. My plan was this... LEANGAINS (which i'm pretty used to), till around 2:30pm everyday and having a hunk of grass fed meat, and then some leafy greens with a little butter, or a green vegetable drink. Is this a good plan to lose the 15 lbs I gained recently? :( I've heard the only way to kill the sugar addiction is to completely eliminate it. I am done letting food control me. NO MORE. Meats and veggies only.

Are some of you out there permanently very low carb for this same food addiction reason, or is it just me? Can I safely ever introduce carbs again? Sincerely, A sad recovering food addict sigh 5'1, 132 lbs

Df6dabaf4b1ef3d5db980ad64c501a5b

on October 11, 2012
at 05:09 PM

I've mostly been using white rice and white potato since they're the cheapest. Once I get my blood glucose monitor I'll do a test on identical carb content from rice, white potato and sweet potato to see if there is much difference between them in terms of blood suger control.

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on October 07, 2012
at 05:29 AM

Hang in there! : )

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on October 05, 2012
at 11:41 PM

I tend to eat most produce strictly seasonally, which means the occasional yam and potato are in the works for fall/winter. I find yams trigger the worst sugar cravings, after fruits, so I may opt for less sweet-tasting starchy roots.

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on October 05, 2012
at 10:44 PM

It's so nice to know I'm not alone. we sound SO alike, and I LOVE your last paragraph "I figure I'll be good in case there's a famine" hahah!! That's what i've been trying to tell myself so I don't beat myself up :) I DEFINITELY am a stress eater too. Sadly for me though I have to watch my carbs until i get lean again but I totally hear you. thanks for your help!!!

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:51 PM

Thanks Robin!! I think I am going to go low carb, and bring potatoes back in eventually but not right now. I will look into the probiotic thing!

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:50 PM

Thank you alwayscurious!! See I'm worried about Leangains too, but sometimes i'm just not hungry in the morning :/ What are your carb sources?

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:48 PM

Thank you so much Cansis Minor, good to know im not alone! Do you plan on ever reintroducing yams? See I want to eventually but I don't want this to happen again.

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:46 PM

thank you david McC, I think I am going to go vlc again until I am able to control my carbs appropiately!!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:46 PM

thanks for your support baconhealschic!!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:43 PM

thank you for the support!! <3

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on October 05, 2012
at 03:57 PM

Great advice. I'll have to try the gymnema sylvestre.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on October 05, 2012
at 01:33 PM

Hang in there Amber! Experiment until you find what works for you!

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on October 05, 2012
at 11:22 AM

I'm not going to downvote you for this like others, but I personally think you are full of shit. "Discipline" is not a legitimate response. It might work for you, but this isn't about you. You didn't even address the question on it's own terms, you just used it as an excuse to push a moralistic agenda. Metabolic response to food is more complicated than that.

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on October 05, 2012
at 06:32 AM

Thanks LikesLardinMayo for the great comment. I think my cravings come like you say, afer having anything sweet. Rice sometimes affects me for some weird reason, but potatoes don't. I still think I should go VLC for at least a month until I can kick this addiction, but then after that maybe I could add back in some potatoes? I think my problem with any carbs right now is the insulin release, once I get my insulin levels stable (once I reach 115 again), maybe I can handle NON SWEET starches like potatoes. Thanks!!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 05, 2012
at 06:30 AM

Thanks LikesLardinMayo for the great comment. I think actually thinking about it, I think my cravings come afer having anything sweet like you say. Rice sometimes affects me, but potatoes don't I don't think. I still think I should go VLC for at least a month until I can kick this addiction, but then after that maybe I could add back in some potatoes? I think my problem with any carbs right now is the insulin release, once I get my insulin levels stable (once I reach 115 again), maybe I can handle NON SWEET starches like potatoes. Thanks!!

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on October 05, 2012
at 06:00 AM

It depends on what causative factors there are udnerpinning the weight gain...

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 05, 2012
at 04:58 AM

You do not want to fast if you are binging. You want to keep your self full/satiated. 3-4 meals a day all with protein seems like a good idea.

Have you tried carbs that aren't sweet? I've always wondered if the carb binges weren't related more to fructose and the taste of sweet. Does a blander diet of savory meat, rice/tater and veggies cause the problem? It doesn't for me...

Also, I felt like I was eating a lot more off low carb but the absolute calories was lower. 1 cup of white potato is roughly analogous to 1 Tbsp of coconut oil.

Also, going from lower to higher carb you will put on 2-3 pounds of water weight, maybe a bit more. It isn't fat accumulation.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 05, 2012
at 06:32 AM

Thanks LikesLardinMayo for the great comment. I think my cravings come like you say, afer having anything sweet. Rice sometimes affects me for some weird reason, but potatoes don't. I still think I should go VLC for at least a month until I can kick this addiction, but then after that maybe I could add back in some potatoes? I think my problem with any carbs right now is the insulin release, once I get my insulin levels stable (once I reach 115 again), maybe I can handle NON SWEET starches like potatoes. Thanks!!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on October 05, 2012
at 06:30 AM

Thanks LikesLardinMayo for the great comment. I think actually thinking about it, I think my cravings come afer having anything sweet like you say. Rice sometimes affects me, but potatoes don't I don't think. I still think I should go VLC for at least a month until I can kick this addiction, but then after that maybe I could add back in some potatoes? I think my problem with any carbs right now is the insulin release, once I get my insulin levels stable (once I reach 115 again), maybe I can handle NON SWEET starches like potatoes. Thanks!!

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on October 05, 2012
at 01:57 PM

I cannot speak to the binging, but will say that I had sugar cravings much of my adult life, esp. at night (ice cream!!), and what cured it was 2 months of paleo low carb (about 20%), no sugar, no processed foods, plus a hefty probiotic. I am a firm believer in the link between gut flora and cravings -- this really worked for me, but I felt quite sick for a couple weeks (low carb flu, herx reaction to the probiotics, whatever you want to call it). But the cravings totally disappeared.

I never stopped eating fruits & veggies & potatoes though, and I stopped the probiotic after 8 weeks. I currently eat closer to 30% carb, with some sweets (mostly dark chocolate).

You can find more posts about gut flora & cravings here if you search; here is one:

http://paleohacks.com/questions/69062/are-cravings-just-gut-flora-putting-in-their-dinner-order#axzz28KMpjjlx

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:51 PM

Thanks Robin!! I think I am going to go low carb, and bring potatoes back in eventually but not right now. I will look into the probiotic thing!

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:46 AM

I would echo the comments on not fasting if you are binging.

I've tried fasting recently and I can't maintain it more than once a week without it causing me to eat rubbish at some point. I'd rather eat regular unprocessed food that's quite low in carbs than nothing for 18 hours and then "need" chocolate later.

Just as importantly though you need to find someway to chill out about this. The tone of your question is very stressed & you seem very guilty telling yourself to do better. I meditate, but that's not for everyone.

Are you getting enough fat? If you go vlc again you will need to compensate by eating something else. I eat protein at every meal, but if I'm being particularly careful with my carb intake, then the fat has to increase. I can still lose weight like this. The difference may be only a couple of tablespoons of cream.

I find the leangains ethos a bit extreme. He has way more experience than me but the guy is an athlete. Assuming you're not, you may find that a slightly more balanced approach of no processed food, no dodgy oils, no pasta, bread, rice or potatoes (little or no alcohol) plus protein at every meal 3x per day might help you to balance out and lose a pound or so a week.

I think this is sustainable. Good luck.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:46 PM

thank you david McC, I think I am going to go vlc again until I am able to control my carbs appropiately!!

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Df6dabaf4b1ef3d5db980ad64c501a5b

on October 05, 2012
at 02:22 PM

I've been through much the same - paleo for a long time, but still struggling to lose some body fat I'd like to be rid of. I tried VLC for a long time (about 10 months) and it killed my athletic performance, although I did drop some weight.

After long enough on VLC with no sugar at all and minimal fruit, my focus and energy levels were pretty low, and I started feeling cold regularly, which is super-weird for me. I'm a furnace when I'm healthy.

Leangains didn't work for me at all, it lead to unproductive mornings and crazy binge eating.

I wasn't sure what to make of it until I listened to a Jimmy Moore podcast a little while ago about blood sugar control with Jenny Ruhl. I think it was this one although she's been in a few now, and I've listened to all of them. Her description of problems with low carb diets for people with blood sugar control issues really resonated with my experience.

Now I'm trying to find some balance - aiming to include a steady amount of starchy carb every day (as variations may muck up your insulin production, leading to hypoglycemia that makes you crave carbs so bad it hurts). I'm also trying to smooth out my workout schedule, getting about the same amount of exercise in every day, trying to balance both the input of blood sugar, the demand for blood sugar, and the timing of regular events as much as daily life allows. So far it's vastly reduced my cravings for crap, sugary food.

I don't think I'm anywhere near diabetic, just don't happen to have ideal blood sugar control. Jenny's site here has lots of info to take a look at in terms of blood sugar disorders.

After Thanksgiving with my family I'm planning on buying a blood glucose monitor to chart out how I respond to different amounts and types of carbs at different times of day, including after workouts. It's time to put some numbers to this beast and get it under control.

Good luck. Don't give up!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:50 PM

Thank you alwayscurious!! See I'm worried about Leangains too, but sometimes i'm just not hungry in the morning :/ What are your carb sources?

Df6dabaf4b1ef3d5db980ad64c501a5b

on October 11, 2012
at 05:09 PM

I've mostly been using white rice and white potato since they're the cheapest. Once I get my blood glucose monitor I'll do a test on identical carb content from rice, white potato and sweet potato to see if there is much difference between them in terms of blood suger control.

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0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

on October 05, 2012
at 02:12 PM

I've found that cutting out all sugars (including fruits and yams, sigh) plus a twice-daily dose of chromium picolinate and gymnema sylvestre was the only way to get out of the sugar binging for me, getting better control over my appetite and energy levels.

On my own weight loss stall, I just came to the unhappy realization this week that my bulletproof coffee and butter/coconut oil/occasional nut consumption is also a culprit. Whether it's the extra calories or some kind of inflammation factor I'm not positive at this point, but some new self-hacking is in the works for me this fall. I'm also taking the probiotic advice for a while to see how things shake down.

For me, too, stress and cortisol are issues. Without going into too much personal detail, it's been a hard two years and is only going to get harder for a while. What helps me is lots and lots of walking, remembering to drink more water than I think I need, and getting enough sleep which I've figured out is between 7-9 hours a night.

I hope this helps. I know how frustrating this situation is.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on October 05, 2012
at 03:57 PM

Great advice. I'll have to try the gymnema sylvestre.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:48 PM

Thank you so much Cansis Minor, good to know im not alone! Do you plan on ever reintroducing yams? See I want to eventually but I don't want this to happen again.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on October 05, 2012
at 11:41 PM

I tend to eat most produce strictly seasonally, which means the occasional yam and potato are in the works for fall/winter. I find yams trigger the worst sugar cravings, after fruits, so I may opt for less sweet-tasting starchy roots.

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7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on October 05, 2012
at 01:32 PM

Boy can I relate with you! Your statements ring in my ears as previous thoughts of mine--and everything you are saying did not work for me. Saying I'm going to will myself to fast tomorrow because I ate pizza and ice cream today. I've done the "only grass-fed meat and spinach" everyday thing. I've done the "I'm never eating sugar again" thing. And sometimes those thought still creep up for me but I work on it everyday.

I consider myself a stress eater and yes, VLC helps a lot but not all the time. Once a stress binge comes on I really don't care if I've had a ton of fat that day or not..I'm off to the races.

These are the things I've learned about myself...

-I do not limit my carbs anymore and recently my only rule for eating is it has to be something I adore. I know that might sound silly to some but it keeps me from looking for other crappy food to quell stress. For example, today for breakfast and lunch I have chicken bone broth, salmon with cream cheese and grass fed butter and chicken apple sausage with Bubbie's sauerkraut. With this kind of food I'm less likely to go to the vending machine and get cheetoes. (Cheetoes are the perfect food.) Another favorite of mine are homemade curry dishes with white rice.

-I know this takes time and won't be "solved" so I'm forgiving of myself. I've been reading Geneen Roth books. I really like what she has to say about not dieting and it's not too touchy feely for me but just enough.

-I'm done really giving a sh*t what other people think. I don't know why this helps but it does. I eat my liver pate at my desk and I buy chicken feet once a week. I also really don't care if other people think I could improve my physique or whatever. If I'm carrying a little extra at anytime I figure I'll be good if there's a famine. I concentrate on quality food and I seem to not get cravings. Making quality food a priority leads me down an adventurous path of new dishes and ways to cook and eat...that adventure really distracts me from anybody around me. It's great!

Good luck to you. Don't get extreme. It does not help.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on October 05, 2012
at 07:46 PM

thanks for your support baconhealschic!!

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on October 07, 2012
at 05:29 AM

Hang in there! : )

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on October 05, 2012
at 10:44 PM

It's so nice to know I'm not alone. we sound SO alike, and I LOVE your last paragraph "I figure I'll be good in case there's a famine" hahah!! That's what i've been trying to tell myself so I don't beat myself up :) I DEFINITELY am a stress eater too. Sadly for me though I have to watch my carbs until i get lean again but I totally hear you. thanks for your help!!!

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on October 05, 2012
at 05:23 AM

I dont understand why people struggle to lose weight. I gained around 4 stone during my university years but when I decided to get back to my lean self I simply cut out the crap. Hardly rocket science you just have to be disciplined.

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on October 05, 2012
at 11:22 AM

I'm not going to downvote you for this like others, but I personally think you are full of shit. "Discipline" is not a legitimate response. It might work for you, but this isn't about you. You didn't even address the question on it's own terms, you just used it as an excuse to push a moralistic agenda. Metabolic response to food is more complicated than that.

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on October 05, 2012
at 06:00 AM

It depends on what causative factors there are udnerpinning the weight gain...

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