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Is there such a thing as too much Fat in Paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 29, 2010 at 8:12 PM

I know there is some discussion on over-consumption of protein and how it is utilized as glucose, so over-consuming of protein is not necessarily a bad thing. But at what point is over-consuming fat (of course good fats) a bad thing? I assume the obvious answer is if you are gaining weight; but if you are not, then what's the benchmark?

8e3782b68e033763485472f414f507a5

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on November 30, 2010
at 12:39 PM

@Jay Note also (And I'm sure someone with your superior IQ understands this already) that it's impossible to know what you mean by "high fat" and "moderate high-fat" without some actual numbers. These are "relative terms"; i.e., generally useless in of themselves. That is, unless a person is intentionally being unspecific for some weird reason. :-)

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on November 30, 2010
at 04:25 AM

Eva, it appears you are correct about that.

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on November 30, 2010
at 04:23 AM

It doesn't matter how smart or right you are, if your answer sounds snippy and unjustified, then it's likely to get downvoted.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on November 30, 2010
at 03:35 AM

perfect health diet is ok. Too high fat, in my opinion, unless coconut flesh is used heavily. Also, don't like that they recommend multi-vitamins, when the folic acid in them likely contributes to cancer. I would more closely fall in line what is written on whole health source blog, with a bit less emphasis on phytic acid.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on November 30, 2010
at 01:53 AM

I can see where you're going with this, and it seems reasonable. you probably should have justified your original statement however. Do you think the perfect health diet is a reasonable one then?

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on November 30, 2010
at 01:34 AM

Not really. I eat it with beef, so by volume it's not the mainstay, but by calorie it's most of what I eat.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on November 30, 2010
at 01:09 AM

luckybastard, statins also improve blood lipids but don't seem to reduce mortality while the Kitavan, who ate mostly starch, had pretty bad blood lipids but had no CVD. Good luck on your HDL boosting diet.

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on November 30, 2010
at 12:06 AM

i believe alot of us here really could care less about the hours studying or the 20 iq points. what i would wager is that if u put anyone who is on a paleo diet that lives up to 90% of the principles and get their bloodwork tested in comparison to someone who is "moderately" eating whole grains, all things being equal(healthy weight, for instance) the person following a paleo-type diet will have better bloodwork than the other. by the way, if you haven't noticed, every major promoter of the paleo diet has said that you should keep your omega 6 intake down as much as possible.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on November 29, 2010
at 11:05 PM

!Ambumorph: That's an interesting diet. Beef is low in n-6 and vitamin A (not including the liver, of course). Beef is pretty low in minerals, however. It may well be the case that demand for minerals (e.g., copper) is related to carbohydrate consumption, but that is hypothesis so far. Plus, doesn't eating so much beef fat gross you out?

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on November 29, 2010
at 11:02 PM

That's an interesting diet. Beef is low in n-6 and vitamin A (not including the liver, of course). Beef is pretty low in minerals, however. It may well be the case that demand for minerals (e.g., copper) is related to carbohydrate consumption, but that is hypothesis so far. Plus, it's pretty hard to eat beef all day without getting too much protein...

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on November 29, 2010
at 11:01 PM

Your answer wouldn't get downvotes if you put your justificatory comments in the main body. As it stands, your answer sounds like douchey trolling instead of a well reasoned argument, which it would if you simply copy/pasted the commentary.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on November 29, 2010
at 10:59 PM

I eat almost exclusively beef fat. I'm pretty sure that's less than 4% n-6.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on November 29, 2010
at 10:55 PM

Btw, thanks guys for the downvotes. I guarantee I've spent thousand of more hours than you novices and have you all by 20 IQ points. Keep downvoting me and maybe I will stop providing my free advice. :)

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on November 29, 2010
at 10:45 PM

It is, however, easy to meet the parameters of health on a moderate high-fat diet, with plenty of potato (or other root vegetable) starch. Factor in that it is reasonably likely that our ancestors have been eating starchy tubers, rhizomes, corms, bulbs, stems, taproots, etc for 2 million years and, it seems to me, that paleo ---> eat some potatoes!

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on November 29, 2010
at 10:43 PM

Now, try to formulate a high fat diet that doesn't provide more than 4% of calories from n-6 fat, more than the RDA of vitamin A, and that has sufficient minerals. My conclusion is that unless you're eating half your calories from coconut flesh (not oil), it's not possible to satisfy all the parameters on a high-fat diet.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on November 29, 2010
at 10:43 PM

There's a lot of data showing too much omega 6 is bad. There's some recent data that shows too much vitamin A might be bad (I've posted it here before). There's a lot of data that shows mineral poor diets lead to CVD (see Stephan's blog for discussion of copper or google magnesium and arterial calcification, or read at nephrpal about potassium and kidneys).

8e3782b68e033763485472f414f507a5

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on November 29, 2010
at 10:24 PM

I know you love being the devil's advocate around here, but some actual data would be nice.

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on November 29, 2010
at 09:23 PM

I get headaches if I've too much fat in one go; usually around 1/2 pot of double cream's worth. That's my gauge and limit.

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on November 29, 2010
at 08:24 PM

But at what point? How do you know if you are consumming to much? Obviously everyone is different, but I assume there is a point were everyone has a breaking point...

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691f120a3e7a1a036845d105d86c99a3

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on November 29, 2010
at 08:59 PM

I think the benchmark is if you start to look, feel, or perform less optimally than you have, that is when you have to change your diet to get back to what is best.

If at a certain point a level of fat consumption makes you sick or uncomfortable that is a good indicator. If your blood work starts to get wonky is another. If you are not getting all the nutrients you should because fat is replacing some other necessary element in your diet, you might need to look at balancing that. There is a lot of room to shift the fat consumption tho after you eat your set amount of protein.

Fat is a necessary part of the diet if you believe in getting a certain amount of calories. It just can't be done with out it.

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100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on November 29, 2010
at 11:03 PM

I doubt you would get too much fat. It self-regulates with nausea and diarrhea in most people. Gaining weight is not a marker of too much fat. It may be linked to too much food, but not with a high percentage of fat.

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6a9d8fd0d47d8379a8a0280c72122d77

on November 30, 2010
at 03:11 AM

Yes. Seriously nothing in life is black and white. You can do too much of anything. Too much water will kill you. Yes you can most definitely eat too much fat.

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1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

on November 30, 2010
at 01:40 AM

I doubt ANYONE is getting headaches from too much 'fat'. Try dehydration of which the solution is drink a bottle, or two or three of water until you pee clear. I can't wait to post my post 90 day strict paleo bloodwork in two days.

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4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on November 29, 2010
at 08:21 PM

Yes, and I think most people here consume too much of it.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on November 29, 2010
at 10:55 PM

Btw, thanks guys for the downvotes. I guarantee I've spent thousand of more hours than you novices and have you all by 20 IQ points. Keep downvoting me and maybe I will stop providing my free advice. :)

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on November 29, 2010
at 11:05 PM

!Ambumorph: That's an interesting diet. Beef is low in n-6 and vitamin A (not including the liver, of course). Beef is pretty low in minerals, however. It may well be the case that demand for minerals (e.g., copper) is related to carbohydrate consumption, but that is hypothesis so far. Plus, doesn't eating so much beef fat gross you out?

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

(5773)

on November 29, 2010
at 08:24 PM

But at what point? How do you know if you are consumming to much? Obviously everyone is different, but I assume there is a point were everyone has a breaking point...

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on November 30, 2010
at 12:06 AM

i believe alot of us here really could care less about the hours studying or the 20 iq points. what i would wager is that if u put anyone who is on a paleo diet that lives up to 90% of the principles and get their bloodwork tested in comparison to someone who is "moderately" eating whole grains, all things being equal(healthy weight, for instance) the person following a paleo-type diet will have better bloodwork than the other. by the way, if you haven't noticed, every major promoter of the paleo diet has said that you should keep your omega 6 intake down as much as possible.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7304)

on November 30, 2010
at 01:53 AM

I can see where you're going with this, and it seems reasonable. you probably should have justified your original statement however. Do you think the perfect health diet is a reasonable one then?

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on November 29, 2010
at 10:43 PM

Now, try to formulate a high fat diet that doesn't provide more than 4% of calories from n-6 fat, more than the RDA of vitamin A, and that has sufficient minerals. My conclusion is that unless you're eating half your calories from coconut flesh (not oil), it's not possible to satisfy all the parameters on a high-fat diet.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on November 29, 2010
at 10:45 PM

It is, however, easy to meet the parameters of health on a moderate high-fat diet, with plenty of potato (or other root vegetable) starch. Factor in that it is reasonably likely that our ancestors have been eating starchy tubers, rhizomes, corms, bulbs, stems, taproots, etc for 2 million years and, it seems to me, that paleo ---> eat some potatoes!

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on November 30, 2010
at 01:09 AM

luckybastard, statins also improve blood lipids but don't seem to reduce mortality while the Kitavan, who ate mostly starch, had pretty bad blood lipids but had no CVD. Good luck on your HDL boosting diet.

8e3782b68e033763485472f414f507a5

(2433)

on November 30, 2010
at 12:39 PM

@Jay Note also (And I'm sure someone with your superior IQ understands this already) that it's impossible to know what you mean by "high fat" and "moderate high-fat" without some actual numbers. These are "relative terms"; i.e., generally useless in of themselves. That is, unless a person is intentionally being unspecific for some weird reason. :-)

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on November 29, 2010
at 11:02 PM

That's an interesting diet. Beef is low in n-6 and vitamin A (not including the liver, of course). Beef is pretty low in minerals, however. It may well be the case that demand for minerals (e.g., copper) is related to carbohydrate consumption, but that is hypothesis so far. Plus, it's pretty hard to eat beef all day without getting too much protein...

8e3782b68e033763485472f414f507a5

(2433)

on November 29, 2010
at 10:24 PM

I know you love being the devil's advocate around here, but some actual data would be nice.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on November 30, 2010
at 04:25 AM

Eva, it appears you are correct about that.

2afe070b43de645b908b3cb1f4723811

(144)

on November 29, 2010
at 09:23 PM

I get headaches if I've too much fat in one go; usually around 1/2 pot of double cream's worth. That's my gauge and limit.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on November 29, 2010
at 10:43 PM

There's a lot of data showing too much omega 6 is bad. There's some recent data that shows too much vitamin A might be bad (I've posted it here before). There's a lot of data that shows mineral poor diets lead to CVD (see Stephan's blog for discussion of copper or google magnesium and arterial calcification, or read at nephrpal about potassium and kidneys).

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on November 30, 2010
at 03:35 AM

perfect health diet is ok. Too high fat, in my opinion, unless coconut flesh is used heavily. Also, don't like that they recommend multi-vitamins, when the folic acid in them likely contributes to cancer. I would more closely fall in line what is written on whole health source blog, with a bit less emphasis on phytic acid.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on November 29, 2010
at 10:59 PM

I eat almost exclusively beef fat. I'm pretty sure that's less than 4% n-6.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on November 30, 2010
at 01:34 AM

Not really. I eat it with beef, so by volume it's not the mainstay, but by calorie it's most of what I eat.

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on November 29, 2010
at 11:01 PM

Your answer wouldn't get downvotes if you put your justificatory comments in the main body. As it stands, your answer sounds like douchey trolling instead of a well reasoned argument, which it would if you simply copy/pasted the commentary.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on November 30, 2010
at 04:23 AM

It doesn't matter how smart or right you are, if your answer sounds snippy and unjustified, then it's likely to get downvoted.

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