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Is eating 70-80% fruit ok if it motivates you to exercise your tail off?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created January 19, 2013 at 7:13 PM

I NEVER have motivation to exercise, but just 2 days of eating lots of fruit (like 80% of my calories) I feel ON TOP OF THE WORLD and super motivated to run, dance, skip rope, shadowbox, just MOVE MY BODY.

I am not obese. Currently about 18% bodyfat, and it's mostly around the midsection... Yep, I'm skinny-fat horrors! :D

But seriously, this is SO different than the old days of using COFFEE to try to wake up and just getting jittery and remaining UNMOTIVATED.

I really am afraid the Paleo "low-carb" message is slightly off-base or missing something somehow.

All this energy, improved mood, and natural motivation I KNOW are from the diet change, and surely I am burning these higher carbs with my newfound tendency to MOVE MORE, so maybe the message is too one-sided (I'm pretty sure my bodyfat isn't increasing with all this energy being utilized -- I'm watching my bf scale like a hawk).

I agree that obese people should definitely watch the carbs, but also in relation to their dietary fat intake, because it seems it is the COMBINATION of fats AND sugars in THE SAME MEAL that is so darned troublesome.

Comments? Insights?

Thank you!

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on January 20, 2013
at 07:47 PM

How much might common frutarian maladies be from an absence of the nutrients richly found in animal products though? That's my question. I share your concerns about honeymoon periods and missing out on nutrients though. 80% of calories from almost anything, fruit or meat, probably isn't ideal in the long haul.

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on January 20, 2013
at 07:25 PM

yeah, drinking the calories is way easier. i was doing 2 eight banana smoothies a day for a while when i was commuting to school. i was teaching/exercising so much (about 3 hours at school) that i needed all the calories i could get. at home, i'd do a big salad with an avocado.

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

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on January 20, 2013
at 06:00 PM

Haha sounds like you're in the clear... and 40 is the new 20!!

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:56 PM

Disagree. Going Paleo has made me feel amazing for 20 months now and I don't see changing diet anytime soon.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:54 PM

...also, again, learn the difference between lean and skinny. LEAN is muscular with a low body fat. SKINNY is not muscular with a low bodyfat. Durianrider is skinny. Brad Pitt in Fight Club, Henry Cavill in Immortals, and Christain Bale in American Psycho.........all LEAN. Lean is hot, skinny is not.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:50 PM

..but if you want to look like Durrianrider, then sure just do cardio and eat bananas all day. But also, say goodbye to being strong and solid and hello to wimpy and frail.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:47 PM

The only time you should consume fruit is directly post-workout. Lift heavy compounds and add some pump work at least 3x/week. Walk at least 2 miles a day. Do any additional cardio that you enjoy- rowing, stairmaster, swimming, sprints, running, etc at least 3x per week. Do that for year straight. You say you want to be 150 and 10%bf? Well, I'm 150 and 6%bf (leaner than you desire- more muscle and less fat but same weight...so acutaually tighter too b/c muscle is more dense than fat). Take advice from people who have achieved the results you desire.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:43 PM

.... Eating a bunch of fat is not good, ever, IMHO. I think high fat, low protien, very low carb diets are bullshit when it come to fat loss and looking good naked. high protein, and then manipulating carbs and fat is what you want. Always a high amount of lean protein should be in your diet. White meat chicken and turkey, fish, lean grass fed beef, shellfish. Include some roughage like broccoli and salads. Eat denser carbs either before and/or after workouts. That's the way to do it. Make your carbs ideally potatoes. Next up IMHO would be oatmeal, quinoa, brown rice, and sweet potatoes.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:40 PM

@ Eric- Actually, DurianRider is the first person I thought of. He is not lean- he is skinny. There is a difference. The guy has almost no muscle mass, though he does have a low body fat. "Too lean?" No. Too skinny? Yes. Doug Graham? Too skinny- not too lean. Lean is being muscular with a low body fat. Skinny is being not muscular with a low body fat. Fruitarians are skinny, not lean. fitness models are lean, not skinny.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:20 PM

Your point about these endurance guys having low muscle mass is WELL taken. I'm dropping the fruit carbs lower and upping protein and fat after doing more research. Still gonna keep my dietary fat away from my carb intake at mealtime as much as possible, as it seems self-evident that Paleo people would've shunned high-energy carbs at dinner (because sleepytime is coming soon!) and feasted on the animal protein and fat late at night which would've made them tired. And they wouldn't have eaten high protein, high fat during the day but opted for high energy carbs for the hunting and gathering.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:09 PM

Do you get acid reflux from ALL fruits? I get a little tummy pain from under-ripe bananas but so far that's about it. I only eat maybe one or two citrus fruits (oranges, grapefruits) as monomeal snacks (by themselves, in other words) per day, and the rest is sweet non-citrus fruits (bananas, apples, berries, etc.) mixed with veggies. Then dinner is a high protein, high fat meal with low or no carbs. Oh, I also don't sit down in front of my computer anymore -- I raised it up so I have to stand. This is helping my circulation big time.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:02 PM

Usually I just eat celery or swish water honestly. But I hear you guys about the brushing problem!

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:01 PM

I quit about a month ago. Cold Turkey. Have smoked one to two packs a week for 17 years. Really only smoked when I drank, which was socially only for a while, then crept into my late-night after work habits at home. I finally said NO MORE! I want my remaining years to be high-quality (i just turned 40, so maybe this is my mid-life crisis lol)

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on January 20, 2013
at 04:46 PM

Yes, it is best to wait at least half an hour after eating acidic foods to go brush. Or for mid-day, consider just a mouthwash instead.

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on January 20, 2013
at 04:06 PM

Funny, there are some cancers that metabolize fructose to some degree and that's used to demonize fruit consumption? C'mon folks, fruit didn't cause the cancer...

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on January 20, 2013
at 04:04 PM

Eric, brushing your teeth after consuming acidic foods tends to cause increased wear on teeth. Of course, residual sugar feeds bacteria who produce acid... damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. ;)

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on January 20, 2013
at 01:40 PM

foreveryoung I don't consider eating pointless, and in my case these are not excess calories but part of the daily ration. @eric I specifically cited long distance running because of the practice of carboloading before a race. Usually it's done with starches but the objective is full glycogen stores, and if fruit can do that it accomplishes the same purpose.

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on January 20, 2013
at 01:29 PM

The mantra "fat doesn't make you fat" is sacred to the Atkins branch of Paleo, and is often defended with a specious argument about de novo lipogenesis in the liver using fructose. But the first argument presumes that you are either eating VLC, or are not eating enough fat for it to deposit. The second argument would be true if you were eating a great excess of fructose. Other than Atkins reprobates and Super Size Big Gulp guzzlers, the fat you eat is the fat you wear and fructose is not a fat-generating devil.

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

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on January 20, 2013
at 06:53 AM

When did you quit? I only smoked for a year in college and then stopped one day (because I began to doubt that I could) and didn't really have any problems. I have some friends who try but can't get past the first few days - you're probably alright and won't have any problems. Good luck!

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 06:25 AM

Thanks Joanna for the info. It IS hard to eat that much fruit (I am blending banana and veggie smoothies to make it easier) and I am realizing that a nice big high-protein, high-fat dinner is balancing nicely with my daily fruit and veggie meals.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 06:16 AM

I know eating doesn't striate muscles! Sorry if I was misunderstood. I am working out, but focusing on cutting the fat more than bulking right now because I let myself go after dropping 20 pounds. Man, late-night pizza and beer put 15 pounds of pure fat back on in NO time. :(

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:49 AM

Really not having big detox issues -- *yet*. Twinges of headache later in the evening, but I drive at night and I'm a little photosensitive anyways. I'm hoping that detox will be short lived and not too insane. I don't even know what to expect.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:45 AM

Dualhammers, it's really not for me to say, but I must -- *Touche* sir. *Touche* :D

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:44 AM

Stephen - Ok. Fructose feeds cancer cells that have become tumorous. Check. Too much HFCS is bad for you. Check (and DUH!). I'll still have to agree with the article when it says "If you are a raw food advocate, have a pristine diet, and exercise regularly, then you could be the exception that could exceed this limit and stay healthy. But in my experience that is certainly the exception and not the norm." -- because the *norm* nowadays is most people filling their bodies with HFCS and other processed crap. I am now the *exception* to the norm :)

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:37 AM

Mscott -- so the term I heard "The fat you eat is the fat you wear" is basically true (except for the fat that is actually used for hormones and stuff)? Insightful.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:24 AM

thhq - HA! You're right! Oh well. I guess I shoulda got creative. I guess Eric's are just about trying to keep it real lol.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:21 AM

Yup. Full glycogen tank is feeling great! And, you are right, it would be unwise to use this small piece of data and extrapolate something more than what it is. And regarding the "fruit in the wild" comment, I look at it this way - hunters may have carried some dried meat with them from a previous successful hunt sometimes, but more than likely they took along mostly fruits and some veggies that the gatherers brought in the day before because they knew that fruits gave them energy and animal protein/fat made them sleepy and horny (why they ate that at night). Just my opinion of course. :)

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:09 AM

That's why I eat celery, drink water, or actually go brush my teeth after every meal, or yeah, you would be spot on!

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:07 AM

I take it you've never seen DurianRider of Freelea on YouTube. They are 7+ years raw vegans who eat 80 to 90% fruit every day and are LEAN as f* and they eat like 3000+ calories a day. They are both extremely active and honestly, they look a little *too* lean (low, low protein in their diet and NO animal protein). But to say fruits should be limited or eliminated to lean out is just not telling the whole story. Most long-term vegans who eat as properly and *clean* as they can are very lean, and I'm pretty sure it's because they are not eating FAT and SUGAR together in the same meal.

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on January 20, 2013
at 04:10 AM

Fructose can be stored as muscle glycogen easily because *much of the fructose you eat is converted into glucose*. If you want to talk about something that can *only* be stored in fat cells, it's dietary fat.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on January 19, 2013
at 11:18 PM

Anywhere between 0.7-1.0 grams protein per lb lean body mass.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 19, 2013
at 10:30 PM

@ Eric- Merely being a low body fat and muscular won't guarantee striated muscles. Striations are slow twitch fibers, so you will need to include things like drop sets and some pump work to get striated muscles. Also, still, if you want to get lean out then you should still be eating predominately protein, fats, and starch. Actually, especially if you want to lean out fruits should be limited if not entirely eliminated. I don't know of anyone with an admirable physique (IMO) that eats a lot of fruit.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:35 PM

Paleo is totally short-lived.

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:33 PM

I've had a great source of kiwis lately, they've been awesome. Wish I liked bananas since they're so convenient. Quitting smoking and drinking definitely has to add to how great you feel, especially after the crappy detox time. I'm sure your body is loving the removal of the bad stuff and adding in the good fruit. I know it might not be a popular idea, but I do think fruit can help detox the body. But just speaking from personal experience too. Good luck!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:16 PM

@thhq- eating carbs to fuel a walk is pretty much pointless. And yes, you tone partly due to just eating the right foods/macros.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:14 PM

Mostly bananas, apples, kiwi, oranges (pretty much in that order of quantity... bananas mostly). I am healthy and just recently also quit smoking and drinking, so I'm sure some of it is that, but MAN THE FRUIT! Thanks Jackie for the feedback :)

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:13 PM

lol @eric, be careful what you ask for, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DijdyckjQqE , http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/08/02/cancer-fructose-idAFN0210830520100802 , http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/08/27/warning--fructose-feeds-cancer-cells.aspx . Basically all of you are a little right, Roth, yes, fructose does feed cancer moreso than regular sugar. @foreveryoung, yes there are elements in fruit that are protective against cancer. @eric, eating fruit is different than eating fructose, and probably better. However, IMHO eating 80% dv calories from fruit is a lil ridic.

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:13 PM

You don't tone your body by eating. If 1500 calories of fruit is enough to fuel a marathon go for it. I use AM carbs to fuel a good long walk every day. Don't forget the bacon and oyster with that or the carb magic doesn't work.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:12 PM

This could be part of it. I was eating low carb for quite some time and just became voraciously hungry for carbs sometimes and of course I would reach for PIZZA or BEER instead of topping up properly. Ugh. Good point. Thanks!

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:08 PM

In a day or two they become routine.

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:07 PM

2 Erics? This should not be.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:03 PM

Yeah, I'll admit, I am wondering how long I'll feel like this, but hey, at least I'm not eating processed crap anymore! I'll build on it from here.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:01 PM

These are good points! I appreciate your viewpoint man! I just can't afford a 3000 calorie diet to build lots of muscle right now. Just want to get rid of the bodyfat and strengthen and striate the muscles for now. 10%bf at 150 lbs would be great for me.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 19, 2013
at 07:58 PM

P.S. Sorry if that sounded harsh. Just trying to be helpful

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 19, 2013
at 07:58 PM

Roth, I didn't say low-carb was bad, just wondering if it is maybe an incomplete or relative statement. You are stating it is relative, so I can agree with that answer more than someone's unchangeable dogma. Thanks for your feedback! Oh, and doesn't most fruit create alkalinity in the body? And doesn't an alkaline diet help prevent cancer cells from spreading in the body? Do you happen to have a link for the "fructose feeds cancer cells" reference? That would be very eye-opening for a lot of us! Thanks again!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 19, 2013
at 07:41 PM

@ roth- then what do make of the plethora of studies showing fruit consumption to be protective of cancer? Also, if ketosis means eating very high fat, low protein, very low carb I think you're wrong

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 19, 2013
at 07:41 PM

@ roth- then what do make of the plethora of studies showing fruit consumption to be protective of cancer? Also, if ketosis means eating very high fat, low protein, low carb I think you're wrong.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

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on January 19, 2013
at 07:34 PM

I'm not saying that fruit gives you cancer for anyone looking to make a witty response. I AM saying that fructose is horrible for homo sapiens though.

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on January 19, 2013
at 07:33 PM

Why do you think Low Carb = bad, but gorging yourself on fruit that you would NEVER in a million years be able to find in-the-wild = good? Your n=1 experience, although it holds merit for you, is not going to apply to everyone. Or even most people. I'd be willing to bet that if most people tried a ketogenic diet for more than a week, they'd love it. The first week can be hell though, especially if it's your first time in ketosis, which is why I see a lot of "I felt horrible in ketosis." Frucotse feeds cancer cells. Fruit has fructose.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 19, 2013
at 07:27 PM

Yeah, I am lifting weights too. I'm not trying to get huge, just lean. How many grams of protein would you say I need daily just to maintain the lean muscle mass I have now? ...and thanks for the insight!

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973c21f7bc31c09d12675c1ba45df153

(145)

on January 19, 2013
at 07:27 PM

Sudden dietary changes that make you feel amazing are short-lived.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

(98)

on January 19, 2013
at 08:03 PM

Yeah, I'll admit, I am wondering how long I'll feel like this, but hey, at least I'm not eating processed crap anymore! I'll build on it from here.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

(98)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:45 AM

Dualhammers, it's really not for me to say, but I must -- *Touche* sir. *Touche* :D

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:08 PM

In a day or two they become routine.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:35 PM

Paleo is totally short-lived.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:56 PM

Disagree. Going Paleo has made me feel amazing for 20 months now and I don't see changing diet anytime soon.

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on January 19, 2013
at 07:24 PM

You're not obese, but you're soft. So eating a bunch of fruit and trying to out-exercise a bad diet is not going to help with the matter. You may "lose weight," but you'll still be soft. You want hard. Learn how to use protein, fat, and starch for energy and you'll be WAY better off in the physique department. And, being better off in that department usually means being better off in all other areas as well.

...upvoted because it is a good question, though.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 19, 2013
at 10:30 PM

@ Eric- Merely being a low body fat and muscular won't guarantee striated muscles. Striations are slow twitch fibers, so you will need to include things like drop sets and some pump work to get striated muscles. Also, still, if you want to get lean out then you should still be eating predominately protein, fats, and starch. Actually, especially if you want to lean out fruits should be limited if not entirely eliminated. I don't know of anyone with an admirable physique (IMO) that eats a lot of fruit.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 19, 2013
at 08:16 PM

@thhq- eating carbs to fuel a walk is pretty much pointless. And yes, you tone partly due to just eating the right foods/macros.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

(98)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:07 AM

I take it you've never seen DurianRider of Freelea on YouTube. They are 7+ years raw vegans who eat 80 to 90% fruit every day and are LEAN as f* and they eat like 3000+ calories a day. They are both extremely active and honestly, they look a little *too* lean (low, low protein in their diet and NO animal protein). But to say fruits should be limited or eliminated to lean out is just not telling the whole story. Most long-term vegans who eat as properly and *clean* as they can are very lean, and I'm pretty sure it's because they are not eating FAT and SUGAR together in the same meal.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

(98)

on January 19, 2013
at 08:01 PM

These are good points! I appreciate your viewpoint man! I just can't afford a 3000 calorie diet to build lots of muscle right now. Just want to get rid of the bodyfat and strengthen and striate the muscles for now. 10%bf at 150 lbs would be great for me.

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:13 PM

You don't tone your body by eating. If 1500 calories of fruit is enough to fuel a marathon go for it. I use AM carbs to fuel a good long walk every day. Don't forget the bacon and oyster with that or the carb magic doesn't work.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:47 PM

The only time you should consume fruit is directly post-workout. Lift heavy compounds and add some pump work at least 3x/week. Walk at least 2 miles a day. Do any additional cardio that you enjoy- rowing, stairmaster, swimming, sprints, running, etc at least 3x per week. Do that for year straight. You say you want to be 150 and 10%bf? Well, I'm 150 and 6%bf (leaner than you desire- more muscle and less fat but same weight...so acutaually tighter too b/c muscle is more dense than fat). Take advice from people who have achieved the results you desire.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:43 PM

.... Eating a bunch of fat is not good, ever, IMHO. I think high fat, low protien, very low carb diets are bullshit when it come to fat loss and looking good naked. high protein, and then manipulating carbs and fat is what you want. Always a high amount of lean protein should be in your diet. White meat chicken and turkey, fish, lean grass fed beef, shellfish. Include some roughage like broccoli and salads. Eat denser carbs either before and/or after workouts. That's the way to do it. Make your carbs ideally potatoes. Next up IMHO would be oatmeal, quinoa, brown rice, and sweet potatoes.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 19, 2013
at 07:58 PM

P.S. Sorry if that sounded harsh. Just trying to be helpful

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:40 PM

@ Eric- Actually, DurianRider is the first person I thought of. He is not lean- he is skinny. There is a difference. The guy has almost no muscle mass, though he does have a low body fat. "Too lean?" No. Too skinny? Yes. Doug Graham? Too skinny- not too lean. Lean is being muscular with a low body fat. Skinny is being not muscular with a low body fat. Fruitarians are skinny, not lean. fitness models are lean, not skinny.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

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on January 20, 2013
at 06:16 AM

I know eating doesn't striate muscles! Sorry if I was misunderstood. I am working out, but focusing on cutting the fat more than bulking right now because I let myself go after dropping 20 pounds. Man, late-night pizza and beer put 15 pounds of pure fat back on in NO time. :(

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:50 PM

..but if you want to look like Durrianrider, then sure just do cardio and eat bananas all day. But also, say goodbye to being strong and solid and hello to wimpy and frail.

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on January 20, 2013
at 01:40 PM

foreveryoung I don't consider eating pointless, and in my case these are not excess calories but part of the daily ration. @eric I specifically cited long distance running because of the practice of carboloading before a race. Usually it's done with starches but the objective is full glycogen stores, and if fruit can do that it accomplishes the same purpose.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:54 PM

...also, again, learn the difference between lean and skinny. LEAN is muscular with a low body fat. SKINNY is not muscular with a low bodyfat. Durianrider is skinny. Brad Pitt in Fight Club, Henry Cavill in Immortals, and Christain Bale in American Psycho.........all LEAN. Lean is hot, skinny is not.

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:36 PM

if you were going really low carb and not having a good time (not everyone does!) i think the rush of carbs might be exactly what you needed. full glycogen stores feel nice. you could have done it with starch too. i wouldn't extrapolate from this experience that an 80% fruit diet is the way to go. and i'm way less fruit & fructose phobic than most people here (at least it seems that way to me).

and don't worry about the naturalistic fallacies of 'being able to find that much fruit in the wild," as one commenter put it.

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(98)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:21 AM

Yup. Full glycogen tank is feeling great! And, you are right, it would be unwise to use this small piece of data and extrapolate something more than what it is. And regarding the "fruit in the wild" comment, I look at it this way - hunters may have carried some dried meat with them from a previous successful hunt sometimes, but more than likely they took along mostly fruits and some veggies that the gatherers brought in the day before because they knew that fruits gave them energy and animal protein/fat made them sleepy and horny (why they ate that at night). Just my opinion of course. :)

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:08 PM

That kind of fruit consumption can't be good for your teeth either dude!

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(41757)

on January 20, 2013
at 04:04 PM

Eric, brushing your teeth after consuming acidic foods tends to cause increased wear on teeth. Of course, residual sugar feeds bacteria who produce acid... damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. ;)

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(10480)

on January 20, 2013
at 04:46 PM

Yes, it is best to wait at least half an hour after eating acidic foods to go brush. Or for mid-day, consider just a mouthwash instead.

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(98)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:09 AM

That's why I eat celery, drink water, or actually go brush my teeth after every meal, or yeah, you would be spot on!

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

(98)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:02 PM

Usually I just eat celery or swish water honestly. But I hear you guys about the brushing problem!

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(4642)

on January 19, 2013
at 08:07 PM

What kind of fruit are you eating? If you are otherwise healthy, maybe extend your personal experiment and see how to you feel after a week or two. You never know what kind of changes you could see, good or bad.

I feel great on lots of fruit, though it tends to be in the summer more because there are more options. I really leaned up one summer when about 80% of my calories were from fruit, mostly tons of awesome grapes from a farmers market, but also berries, tropical fruits, etc. I went from 125 to 118 (female) but also gained 7 lbs of muscle according to my nutritionist. My clothes size went from 2 to 00. And I felt great. And this wasn't too skinny for me, I have a very small frame, so it was fitting.

Also, I wasn't even working out, just yoga 2x per week and walking around the city.

In the fall and winter I definitely tend to switch to starchier things and have higher fat intake, protein stays more or less the same. If your body feels great and continues to feel great, I would just keep eating the fruit, but make sure you get your fats in for hormonal requirements.

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on January 20, 2013
at 06:00 PM

Haha sounds like you're in the clear... and 40 is the new 20!!

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

(98)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:49 AM

Really not having big detox issues -- *yet*. Twinges of headache later in the evening, but I drive at night and I'm a little photosensitive anyways. I'm hoping that detox will be short lived and not too insane. I don't even know what to expect.

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(98)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:01 PM

I quit about a month ago. Cold Turkey. Have smoked one to two packs a week for 17 years. Really only smoked when I drank, which was socially only for a while, then crept into my late-night after work habits at home. I finally said NO MORE! I want my remaining years to be high-quality (i just turned 40, so maybe this is my mid-life crisis lol)

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on January 19, 2013
at 08:33 PM

I've had a great source of kiwis lately, they've been awesome. Wish I liked bananas since they're so convenient. Quitting smoking and drinking definitely has to add to how great you feel, especially after the crappy detox time. I'm sure your body is loving the removal of the bad stuff and adding in the good fruit. I know it might not be a popular idea, but I do think fruit can help detox the body. But just speaking from personal experience too. Good luck!

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

(98)

on January 19, 2013
at 08:14 PM

Mostly bananas, apples, kiwi, oranges (pretty much in that order of quantity... bananas mostly). I am healthy and just recently also quit smoking and drinking, so I'm sure some of it is that, but MAN THE FRUIT! Thanks Jackie for the feedback :)

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on January 20, 2013
at 06:53 AM

When did you quit? I only smoked for a year in college and then stopped one day (because I began to doubt that I could) and didn't really have any problems. I have some friends who try but can't get past the first few days - you're probably alright and won't have any problems. Good luck!

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:17 PM

I hear stories from a lot of people that try a raw food or high fruit diet and absolutely love it for a while (maybe a few weeks), tons of physical and mental energy, well-being, etc.

But then after a while they crash and have terrible problems with energy, health, etc, for example this recent thread here:

http://paleohacks.com/questions/173931/considering-a-dietary-change-from-raw-veganism-please-offer-any-helpful-advice#axzz2IXMJOkQm

You might be in the "high" phase of the diet, but getting 80% of your calories from fruit is not a complete diet and you'll be very low in fat and many vitamins and this will eventually catch up to you and cause you health problems.

Steve Jobs was infamously a "fruititarian" and died of pancratic cancer, which a lot of people think was linked to his diet which was essentially an eating disorder.

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(12682)

on January 20, 2013
at 07:47 PM

How much might common frutarian maladies be from an absence of the nutrients richly found in animal products though? That's my question. I share your concerns about honeymoon periods and missing out on nutrients though. 80% of calories from almost anything, fruit or meat, probably isn't ideal in the long haul.

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(1237)

on January 20, 2013
at 03:01 PM

Fruitarians usually have very high endurance and can run long distances. However being an excellent athlete is not necessarily an indicator of good health. Check out this critical article by Matt Stone: http://180degreehealth.com/2011/04/the-80-10-10-diet-811rv

If you are an endurance or ultra-endurance athlete like Michael Arnstein ??? your performance will be enhanced by eating a diet that is so incredibly effective for stripping away both body fat and muscle mass due to the extremely low levels of protein being taken in. From that vantage point, you can see why a fruitarian-ish diet would be a strong performance enhancer. It is the ultimate catabolic diet in which adequate energy for exercise is still being supplied (unlike just doing a water fast, which makes exercise impossible).

But this comes with metabolic penalty. When the metabolic rate falls, you notice things like being cold all of the time and having freezing cold hands and feet even in warm temperatures.

So whatever, I???m not going to go on and on about Graham and his crackers. Just remember that there is much more to health than losing some body fat and having your fitness levels improve in the short-run on 811rv. Fitness is certainly not a gauge for health as the recent death of the marathon queen Grete Waitz shows

This critique applies to people who eat an all-fruit diet rather than a high-fruit diet. Where are the rest of your calories coming from? As long as you're getting a good source of protein/fat, you should be okay. Denise Minger follows a high fruit paleo diet and seems to be doing very well. It's just something to keep in mind.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

(98)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:20 PM

Your point about these endurance guys having low muscle mass is WELL taken. I'm dropping the fruit carbs lower and upping protein and fat after doing more research. Still gonna keep my dietary fat away from my carb intake at mealtime as much as possible, as it seems self-evident that Paleo people would've shunned high-energy carbs at dinner (because sleepytime is coming soon!) and feasted on the animal protein and fat late at night which would've made them tired. And they wouldn't have eaten high protein, high fat during the day but opted for high energy carbs for the hunting and gathering.

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(20378)

on January 19, 2013
at 07:22 PM

Eating that much fruit is not a good idea. It is not sustainable. Keep your aerobic exercise under 45 minutes a day and prefer weight lifting or body weight execises over cardio.

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(10611)

on January 19, 2013
at 08:07 PM

2 Erics? This should not be.

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(20378)

on January 19, 2013
at 11:18 PM

Anywhere between 0.7-1.0 grams protein per lb lean body mass.

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(98)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:24 AM

thhq - HA! You're right! Oh well. I guess I shoulda got creative. I guess Eric's are just about trying to keep it real lol.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

(98)

on January 19, 2013
at 07:27 PM

Yeah, I am lifting weights too. I'm not trying to get huge, just lean. How many grams of protein would you say I need daily just to maintain the lean muscle mass I have now? ...and thanks for the insight!

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on January 20, 2013
at 01:33 PM

Check out these articles and interviews on Dr Mercola's website to see/hear the dangers of fructose and other sugars. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/20/sugar-dangers.aspx

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(2506)

on January 20, 2013
at 01:22 PM

I wish I could get a handle on this fruit versus starches as a carbohydrate source business. In PHD it says folks should moderate on their fruit intake but starchy vegs, especially potatoes, are awesome. Unfortunately this smacks the faces of those, like myself, who follow the SCD diet because we hope to heal our messed up intestines by not eat starches. So fruit becomes the primary carb source. HOWEVER eating more than a nominal amount of fruit I get acid reflux (, probably because of SIBO). I never realized carbohydrates can be so difficult.

But back to fruits, even if I didn't have digestion challenges I would try to moderate on them. Their sugars are digested so quickly one can get a bit of sugar rush from them. Potatoes provide a "slow drip" of energy that seems to last much longer.

Having said all this, I know a guy who has for many years lives almost 100% on fruits and just a few veggies. Not sure how this guy is even alive but he swears he's healthy as an ox. But he is also maybe 140 lbs and 6'2".

_Lazza

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(98)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:09 PM

Do you get acid reflux from ALL fruits? I get a little tummy pain from under-ripe bananas but so far that's about it. I only eat maybe one or two citrus fruits (oranges, grapefruits) as monomeal snacks (by themselves, in other words) per day, and the rest is sweet non-citrus fruits (bananas, apples, berries, etc.) mixed with veggies. Then dinner is a high protein, high fat meal with low or no carbs. Oh, I also don't sit down in front of my computer anymore -- I raised it up so I have to stand. This is helping my circulation big time.

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089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

(5635)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:15 AM

i noticed that when i was doing a high fruit diet that i needed at least 3000 calories a day to be satisfied. i felt like i was eating all the time and also sleeping all the time- i think all the digesting made me tired or the high fruit was making me crash. now that i do high fat and protein, i don't eat nearly as much so it's way cheaper and i have more energy.

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(5635)

on January 20, 2013
at 07:25 PM

yeah, drinking the calories is way easier. i was doing 2 eight banana smoothies a day for a while when i was commuting to school. i was teaching/exercising so much (about 3 hours at school) that i needed all the calories i could get. at home, i'd do a big salad with an avocado.

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(98)

on January 20, 2013
at 06:25 AM

Thanks Joanna for the info. It IS hard to eat that much fruit (I am blending banana and veggie smoothies to make it easier) and I am realizing that a nice big high-protein, high-fat dinner is balancing nicely with my daily fruit and veggie meals.

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:06 PM

If the fruit makes you feel better, the odds are its not the fruit that did it but replenished glycogen in your liver. Fructose doesn??t get stored in muscle tissue only liver cells and fat cells. I would suggest not eating the crap out of fruit because eventually you will be feeding nothing but fat cells. Instead, eat 2 maybe 3 pieces of fruit daily and get glycogen from healthy paleo sources like sweet potatoes and winter squash. If you really want you could go with rice or other gluten free sources.

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(98)

on January 19, 2013
at 08:12 PM

This could be part of it. I was eating low carb for quite some time and just became voraciously hungry for carbs sometimes and of course I would reach for PIZZA or BEER instead of topping up properly. Ugh. Good point. Thanks!

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(10611)

on January 20, 2013
at 01:29 PM

The mantra "fat doesn't make you fat" is sacred to the Atkins branch of Paleo, and is often defended with a specious argument about de novo lipogenesis in the liver using fructose. But the first argument presumes that you are either eating VLC, or are not eating enough fat for it to deposit. The second argument would be true if you were eating a great excess of fructose. Other than Atkins reprobates and Super Size Big Gulp guzzlers, the fat you eat is the fat you wear and fructose is not a fat-generating devil.

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(12682)

on January 20, 2013
at 04:10 AM

Fructose can be stored as muscle glycogen easily because *much of the fructose you eat is converted into glucose*. If you want to talk about something that can *only* be stored in fat cells, it's dietary fat.

88c82a46d0c35cb4a8cd41d487a2884a

(98)

on January 20, 2013
at 05:37 AM

Mscott -- so the term I heard "The fat you eat is the fat you wear" is basically true (except for the fat that is actually used for hormones and stuff)? Insightful.

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