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i saw corn and meat documentary. Im poor student is high fat high carb low proteine ok ?

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Created December 04, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Hi I saw a documentaries of how animal are killed and how most of what we eat as meat as corn. I checked the prices of free range grass fed meat and its seems 3 to 4 time the price which i understand you pay now for your healt instead of paying when yr sick.

My question is because I am a poor student for now. Can I reduce the quantity of my corn fed meat and up my fat (coconot oil, olive oil, sesame oil, butter) and up my carbs(from fruits )and lower my meat. I dont know if i was eating much meat. i was probably near the 1g per kg of protein and on some day probably half a g per kg.

So for breakfast when i dont have time to make breakfast meat breakfast like eggs bacon(corn fed one) or tuna Instead I would eat 2 or 3 banana with almond butter and coconut oil. how is that for a paleo breakfast for a poor student. is that still healty ?

and when I will have money for the freerange meat since its mroe expensive i will probably keep the same ration By guessing i think it would be 60%fat 20% proteine 20% carbs

oh and until february first I am on a diet. To lose 15 pound which i have gain and lost 5 times until i understand the only way to stay lean is to forever stop eating process food and hfcs and added sugar and added salt and additionnaly avoid if possible grains.

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on December 05, 2012
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5% seems mighty low for protein. Below ~50 grams is likely to induce muscle wasting. Even very strict high fat keto diets for epileptcs are 10% protein. Why, because less than that runs into the danger of stunting growth.

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on December 05, 2012
at 12:48 AM

Yeah i did not think about the animals we have. true we probably have wild rabbit, elk and probably goose i guess. I just like to go outside for bicycling and walking either in nature parcs and the city hehe. warm to cool temporatures are fine but i hate winter but i have never snowboarded tought hehe. be we have good mountains yeah hehe and lots of snow. Lots of NOn paleo tasty restaurant food and bars ( too many) and nice events its kool. We have a lot of bio store but i havent looked for free range meat yet. i dont think its easy to find but maybe it is. I think ottawa have more green space

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on December 04, 2012
at 11:57 PM

That's funny because I plan to visit Canada during winter at some point, for its awesome snowboarding. :) NZ is a great place to be looking for grass-fed and organic meats. Since going primal I sometimes buy kangaroo meat from Aussie too. It's also pretty easy to find organic produce between supermarkets, farmers markets, local health food stores and growing your own. (In Canada I'd be looking for wild rabbit and elk, etc.http://www.eatwild.com/products) NZ seasons are pretty mild, overall when to go depends on what you want to do: http://www.destination-nz.com/new-zealand-info/weather-seasons

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on December 04, 2012
at 10:48 PM

Tallow is the liquid fat rendered out of suet (solid fat scraps) from beef. (Personally, I'd only bother doing it with grass-fed suet though, for the reasons I mentioned in the original answer.) Here's a good post on how to do it from Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-render-beef-tallow/#axzz2E7Uw3c8o I'm from New Zealand :)

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on December 04, 2012
at 10:20 PM

In answer to your other question, while bone broth is nutrient dense and cheap it is lower in protein that a hunk of meat obviously. If you wanted to add protein you could add a cheap, tougher, long-cooking cut of meat at the beginning, or a more expensive muscle cut of meat nearer to the end of cooking it. I tend to drink it in a mug before or along-with meals, or use it as a base for vege soups.

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on December 04, 2012
at 10:15 PM

Oh, and yes - bone broth is basically a superfood. I learnt about it from Sally Fallon's book "Nourishing Traditions". I keep all the vege and herb trimmings and peels from my cooking in a freezer bag, then once a week I throw it all in a big pot on the stove, add 1/2-1kg bones or chicken frames and a splash of vinegar or wine (the acid helps to break the tissue down and leech out the calcium etc, from the bones), add herbs, onion, bay leaves, peppercorns and anything else you like and simmer for a few (or many) hours. Add salt to taste, then let cool, sieve and keep in the fridge, or freezer.

23d34842642ceb5996949f4a68afb585

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on December 04, 2012
at 10:09 PM

Sweet - Kiwis are notorious for our slang, plus now I re-read it I wasn't very grammatically clear. Well done for making any sense of it at all! Yes, by "pastured & bug-eating, organic eggs" I do mean ones from chickens who have been nourished by plants and bugs, as their eggs contain better nutrients as a result. Yes, "backyard chooks" are amateur farming in your own yard. This is a great site: http://www.backyardchickens.com/f/ I usually take 2-4g Fish Oil a day depending on whether I also ate fish/seafood or many nuts with high O6. As I understand it, it's more about the ratio.

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on December 04, 2012
at 09:24 PM

Eating fat might have blunted the glucose response, but I never tested that. Besides, it's the total amount of glucose the body deals with, as well as the speed at which it's eaten, that counts.

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on December 04, 2012
at 09:23 PM

I'm at a body weight I enjoy. I've maintained that body weight for 4 months. I have enough energy for early morning fasted workouts 4x/week. I'm not a student, so I don't do intensive studying. I do a physically demanding job, though, and I have enough energy for that.

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on December 04, 2012
at 09:21 PM

Absolutely. I did a home glucometer test of eating a banana on an empty stomach, and it sent the meter up to 150 in an hour, and down to 90 in 3 hours.

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on December 04, 2012
at 09:10 PM

Actually, from my understanding conventional ruminant meat is better than conventional poultry. Also, "cheapo fish oil" isn't necessarily a good thing either, as from what I've read the oil is often rancid. Sorry, not trying to nitpick. Just sharing information :)

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2 bananas = blood sugar roller coaster? Really?

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23d34842642ceb5996949f4a68afb585

on December 04, 2012
at 08:12 PM

With grain fed meats, the toxins, hormones, and anti-biotics are all stored primarily in the fat tissue. They need the anti-biotics because they become sick eating grain for extended periods when they're not built for it (just like us humans). I'd suggest while on a budget, eating the meat but removing the fat - and then spending your money on grass-fed organic butter or ghee and slathering your meat with that instead.

Also, free-range, pastured & bug-eating, organic eggs are a good way to get quality omegas and many of the nutritional benefits of grass-fed meat with a smaller price tag. (Better yet get some backyard chooks, or see if your family are up for it - they pay for themselves and their coop in no time at all, and are right little characters running round the garden and helping with the weeding and fertilizer...)

Butter and eggs, yay!

You could also try asking an organic butcher (or local farmer/hunter) for their best price-to-benefit-ratio items such as:

  1. some grass-fed suet to make your own tallow from (often cheap, sometimes free)

  2. some grass-fed organ meats (ie. brains, heart, liver, etc) which are often cheaper and awesomely nutritionally dense and

  3. some grass fed bones (ideally joints and large bones split so you can get the marrow out) and frames (i.e.chicken, duck, etc) to make bone broth out of. (This is something that might help with your tendon especially.)

If all you can get is conventionally farmed, grain-fed, non-organic meats, then I'd also suggest spending the money to supplement with Omega 3 fish oils to balance the meat's higher Omega 6 component. However, there's nothing I can suggest to counter the hormones and antibiotics I'm afraid. Have heard that NZ lamb is available for pretty cheap over in the states and I can safely say they are free-ranging and grass (and ewe's milk) raised, even if it's not officially classified as organic.

All the best from down under.

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88bbee98d1165193ddd787da66ccb14a

on December 04, 2012
at 09:16 PM

I see. thanks nudgewink, that was a lot of good information. I am from and live in Canada montreal. French is my first language some slangs are food or animal name im not familiar so i made some research now but want a bit of clarification.

so you're saying i could eat eggs which are from bugs and they are grass fed right ? or you means its chicken who have been nourish by bugs and there eggs are better, the chickens egg. Ive heard we can eat bugs? i would be curious to try, i suppose if i go to the markets in chinatown i can find something. If the bugs eggs are not grassfed is it still good?

and a backyard chook is an amature farmer farming chickens right ?

I suppose bone broth is a soup made from bones? is it nutrient dense does it have protein ?

I have never found looked for brains, heart and liver in my local supermarket, i suppose i could find some.

I found a place were i can get grassfed stuff but it seems complexe and expensive for me as a student, i have to buy by bulk and go to a drop point but if its for organs its probably cheaper.

I read in a book that organs or too high in cholesteral but according to the paleo diet they would be fine hehe.

how many mg or g of fish oil i would need? without thinking of me gettint my tendons better. and are pills fine too or its really better i drink the oil.

Some really golden info guys i really fill im getting somewere.

But in cases were im really stock i guess that eating spoonful of coconut oil with fruits, vegetable and eggs. would be way better than me going for rice or bread.

23d34842642ceb5996949f4a68afb585

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on December 04, 2012
at 10:20 PM

In answer to your other question, while bone broth is nutrient dense and cheap it is lower in protein that a hunk of meat obviously. If you wanted to add protein you could add a cheap, tougher, long-cooking cut of meat at the beginning, or a more expensive muscle cut of meat nearer to the end of cooking it. I tend to drink it in a mug before or along-with meals, or use it as a base for vege soups.

23d34842642ceb5996949f4a68afb585

(380)

on December 04, 2012
at 10:09 PM

Sweet - Kiwis are notorious for our slang, plus now I re-read it I wasn't very grammatically clear. Well done for making any sense of it at all! Yes, by "pastured & bug-eating, organic eggs" I do mean ones from chickens who have been nourished by plants and bugs, as their eggs contain better nutrients as a result. Yes, "backyard chooks" are amateur farming in your own yard. This is a great site: http://www.backyardchickens.com/f/ I usually take 2-4g Fish Oil a day depending on whether I also ate fish/seafood or many nuts with high O6. As I understand it, it's more about the ratio.

23d34842642ceb5996949f4a68afb585

(380)

on December 04, 2012
at 10:15 PM

Oh, and yes - bone broth is basically a superfood. I learnt about it from Sally Fallon's book "Nourishing Traditions". I keep all the vege and herb trimmings and peels from my cooking in a freezer bag, then once a week I throw it all in a big pot on the stove, add 1/2-1kg bones or chicken frames and a splash of vinegar or wine (the acid helps to break the tissue down and leech out the calcium etc, from the bones), add herbs, onion, bay leaves, peppercorns and anything else you like and simmer for a few (or many) hours. Add salt to taste, then let cool, sieve and keep in the fridge, or freezer.

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88bbee98d1165193ddd787da66ccb14a

on December 04, 2012
at 06:25 PM

is there a text or preferble a video that explain what does corn make to the meat. Maybe the films ive seen exagerate things, ive seen king corn and food inc. and arent graind fed meat also have injections of steroids and stuff to make them big, and do they get infections etc or really its not to bad eating grain fed meat beside the fact that the animal may suffer a lot?

so in brief your saying jennifer, no red meat but eat chicken and turket, and i suppose also tuna, salmon , tilapia. get fish oil. I need to reread rob wolf or cordain cuz i forgot now witch food contain omega 3 and which omega 6 and how to balance them. and i suppose the debalance cauzzes inflamationsd

And will fish oil daily help me with my tendon on my wrist? main problem with the wrist is probably inactivity and lack of shoulder flexibility when i do cartwheels but the oil and a better diet will probably help my case for 20%

There is that guy called PortalIdo in is 30 and stii in good shape compared to certain dancers I think more ballet who stops at the age of 26-32 years old. I dont want to become a pro capoeira and dancer but I want to become very good at them in my free time. I am 23years old and have been training on an of. at 24years school is over so ill be able to really train full force, I believe that with a good diet ill be able to get to a high level until 40-45years old hopefully, cuz i dont want to say to my self its too late.

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88bbee98d1165193ddd787da66ccb14a

on December 04, 2012
at 05:51 PM

obviously i could cook the sweet potato at night. but I gotta say that I do agree with somethings that the raw vegans do, which is eating a lot of fruits and a lot of vegetables. SO i choose to believe that if i am not eating an of proteine i will eat more carbs from fruits and veggie. If it works onmy body its fine but if it doesnt then i will believe that youre right 2 bananas in the morning is bad for me. but your saying so far 65 % of yr calorie and it works he ?

are you at a body weight that you enjoy jake ? and how long have you maintained that body weight. do you have an off energy to sleep do sport and study ?

I am still questioning is calorie restriction a myth or its true? at least now it works paleo+restrictions does makes me lose weight. but if i was eating normal paleo would i still lose the weight but very slowly ?

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on December 04, 2012
at 09:23 PM

I'm at a body weight I enjoy. I've maintained that body weight for 4 months. I have enough energy for early morning fasted workouts 4x/week. I'm not a student, so I don't do intensive studying. I do a physically demanding job, though, and I have enough energy for that.

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on December 04, 2012
at 04:42 PM

Yeah i have succeeded doing paleo fr 2 months last summer, 95% paleo i would say. it was hard but it was hard because I did not know that it was probably the only diet with probably raw diet(if there was proof) that can keep me lean.

SO now with passion i avoid grain and rice because i want to stay lean

and I want better bones and tendon because my wrist hurts a lot in capoeira and it makes me sad. I hope that eating paleo will help my bone and wrist. in term of long term health i seem not to care because im still young 24year but i suppose it will help a lot.

I was also mad that maybe the corn fed beef i am eating might have been cleaned with ammonia hehehe.

In the summer i do more sports tought. so if I cant eat an off meat protein am i in danger ? or may i substitute with eating nuts like almond and or protein shake( I wish i could buy a fda proteine shake)

I want to keep the meat low because I am doubptful of the quality of the corn fed meat and mass production farms

and also

Buying grass fed meat is not in my budget

I am very sedantery during school

so i fat i carb low proteine in a paleo way i suppose will not kill me.

I saw you put 90% carb. i think a 90% carb diet would probably makes me hungry, Is 90%fat safe. Unfortunately even if i read so many nutrition and paleo stuff. I have been brainwashed since born that saturated fat and cholesterol will kill me. and my friend laught about me eating eggs 3-4 times a week fried. ( he could be right in the fact that im eating processed eggs thought)

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on December 04, 2012
at 04:27 PM

You could eat 90%carbs 5%fat and 5%protein and still be completely paleo. Try various ratios and see what works best for you. If you exercise a lot, eat more protein, if don't there's no big need for protein. It's still much better to eat corn fed beef than to eat refined carbs & other non-paleo foods.

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on December 05, 2012
at 04:00 PM

5% seems mighty low for protein. Below ~50 grams is likely to induce muscle wasting. Even very strict high fat keto diets for epileptcs are 10% protein. Why, because less than that runs into the danger of stunting growth.

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on December 15, 2012
at 11:40 PM

nudgewink, wanna exchange contacts? for if ever you need stuff from montreal or any place i might be in canada. and i will keep yours for if ever i need stuff from new zealand or australia. ky80@hotmail.com

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on December 08, 2012
at 06:18 PM

Wow I am so happy. The bio store owner reffered me to a place in montreal calle st-vincent who sell grass fed meat in montreal man. He told me for the 10 year he as lived in montreal, that is the only place. and he is an expert he knows it is the real stuff. I feel ashame that in a so multicultured and rich big city that there is aonly one place i can get grass fed meat directly from the buthcer. even the owner of the st vincent butchery told me he is the only company who does that and he as two location one is atwater market and the other is marche jean-talon. Well there is another way to get grass-fed fastured free-range meat. in montreal. its called CSA but to get meat directly it works with the st-vincent. I dont think they are grass-finish but atleast they are 90% grass-fed.

I hope the people searching on google that are in montreal will find the post.

In the summer when i get a job again i will buy the meat.

In order of importance,

What that are better grass fed ?

PErsonnally i would try to avoid pork no body what, Am i wrong ? cuz i heard its a very disease and dirty animal, is it tru when grassfed? i would keep them only for the bacon and sausage

So In my opinions it goes from

Pork(as to really be grass fedo Beef( AS TO BE GRASSFED) Eggs Chicken(ok if not grassfed) Turkey Lamb Bison

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on December 04, 2012
at 11:34 PM

Nice I often want to move to a country a bit less cold in weather then where I live. I am planning to work freelance while if neccessary a part time job on the side. And I would like to try a country like australia and new-zeland. If ever i was to come there tought. for those 2 places, is it pretty easy to get grass fed meet and or organic fruits and veggies ? and how is the season in new zealands.

In canada winters are very cold, and ive been told the same by a friend of mine from france.

88bbee98d1165193ddd787da66ccb14a

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on December 05, 2012
at 12:48 AM

Yeah i did not think about the animals we have. true we probably have wild rabbit, elk and probably goose i guess. I just like to go outside for bicycling and walking either in nature parcs and the city hehe. warm to cool temporatures are fine but i hate winter but i have never snowboarded tought hehe. be we have good mountains yeah hehe and lots of snow. Lots of NOn paleo tasty restaurant food and bars ( too many) and nice events its kool. We have a lot of bio store but i havent looked for free range meat yet. i dont think its easy to find but maybe it is. I think ottawa have more green space

23d34842642ceb5996949f4a68afb585

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on December 04, 2012
at 11:57 PM

That's funny because I plan to visit Canada during winter at some point, for its awesome snowboarding. :) NZ is a great place to be looking for grass-fed and organic meats. Since going primal I sometimes buy kangaroo meat from Aussie too. It's also pretty easy to find organic produce between supermarkets, farmers markets, local health food stores and growing your own. (In Canada I'd be looking for wild rabbit and elk, etc.http://www.eatwild.com/products) NZ seasons are pretty mild, overall when to go depends on what you want to do: http://www.destination-nz.com/new-zealand-info/weather-seasons

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on December 04, 2012
at 10:37 PM

ok i see, what is tallow, it seems to be like a pudding type substance right ? were are you from nudgewink?

23d34842642ceb5996949f4a68afb585

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on December 04, 2012
at 10:48 PM

Tallow is the liquid fat rendered out of suet (solid fat scraps) from beef. (Personally, I'd only bother doing it with grass-fed suet though, for the reasons I mentioned in the original answer.) Here's a good post on how to do it from Mark Sisson: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-render-beef-tallow/#axzz2E7Uw3c8o I'm from New Zealand :)

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on December 04, 2012
at 06:04 PM

if you can't afford grass fed, eat low fat meats - chicken & turkey. the problem with the corn feeding is the type of fats in the meat.

then supplement with some cheapo fish oil. the point is the reduce omega 6 and raise omega 3.

32d059a467e99a4fc83201407a4a238d

on December 04, 2012
at 09:10 PM

Actually, from my understanding conventional ruminant meat is better than conventional poultry. Also, "cheapo fish oil" isn't necessarily a good thing either, as from what I've read the oil is often rancid. Sorry, not trying to nitpick. Just sharing information :)

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on December 04, 2012
at 05:26 PM

I'm in a situation like yours: working, but too poor to afford grass-fed meat. I eat grain-fed meat (20% of my calories), and a lot of fat (65% of my calories), with the rest coming from vegetables. My health is still pretty good.

Two bananas for breakfast, even with fat, seems like it's going to put you on a blood sugar roller coaster. Can you substitute some cold vegetables (like some sweet potato that you cooked the day before) for the bananas?

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on December 04, 2012
at 09:24 PM

Eating fat might have blunted the glucose response, but I never tested that. Besides, it's the total amount of glucose the body deals with, as well as the speed at which it's eaten, that counts.

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on December 04, 2012
at 08:20 PM

2 bananas = blood sugar roller coaster? Really?

00cd3b6f51530a6832fcda1712edbec3

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on December 04, 2012
at 09:21 PM

Absolutely. I did a home glucometer test of eating a banana on an empty stomach, and it sent the meter up to 150 in an hour, and down to 90 in 3 hours.

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