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I have A Problem with Nut Butter

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Created February 02, 2012 at 8:33 AM

For about two weeks I have been eating an average of half a jar of almond butter a day with two days a week being a full jar. I have been making my own almond butter, and I have been monitoring the temperature with a thermometer LOL while making it so it isn't heating the PUFA's. And despite some stomach aches here and there, I have grown to not have much of a stomach ache and I honestly feel better than I have in a long time and I have a really large amount of energy. I have recently discovered that instead of more carbs I want to eat more fat: and I have actually grown a strong distaste for carbs in the process and I get a really sick feeling thinking about eating more.

I was the one who posted about being too thin and having a craving for carbs. I have changed and just eat meat with more fat in it: but after a hundred grams even of 85-15 ground beef, as that is all I can afford for hormone free; I am still very hungry for more fat. I have tried eating straight tallow and more olive oil but there is something about eating these or mixing them with vegetables or my meat that doesn't satisfy my craving and makes me feel a little sick. I actually tried avocados despite what I learned about them lol and they worked and satisfied my craving but I don't want to eat them. Almond butter helps satisfy my craving as well, even though I eat a lot, it definitely gives me a response to this physical pain I feel with headaches and pain in my muscles, including my hands. I believe what my body wants is food that is naturally bound to its fat, and tallow and olive oil is just something my body doesn't want too much of.

My question is: am I in serious medical trouble LOL because I know the pain I am feeling, from the craving to eat more and not from the almond butter lol, and I have been eating the large amount of almond butter anyway. I still weigh 163 and I am 6'1: I eat 90 grams of carbs a day including the almond butter, exercise quite a bit with my job, and I eat 100 grams of protein from meat a day. Thanks to anyone who has any advice or who has tried to help.

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Check out that article friend =] I hope you're feeling better!

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http://paleodietlifestyle.com/eating-disorders-and-paleo-diet/

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But then he's still buying the almonds. Cheaper than the premade nut butter, but still pretty expensive at that quantity.

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I would eat macadamia nut butter if it was cheaper. Almond butter is $$, but macadamia is $$$$. (Even if you buy the nuts and make it yourself...macs are pricey!)

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HAHA! I once heard Sally Fallon (WAPF) say that one day she'd love to hear on a commercial: "Made with olive oil -- the same healthy fat found in lard!" :)

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on June 23, 2012
at 03:50 AM

Matt, listen to HappyNow. Seriously

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on June 23, 2012
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you make I good point, if he was in facting buying it - which he is not and states in his second sentence... just sayin... :)

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Sorry for caring dude.....I don't think you are getting what I meant. The "itchiness" I was referring to was about the mental discomfort those who feel the need to control what they are eating experience when faced with the idea of eating without rules. I was merely recommending a mental exercise to self-test for orthorexia. I wish you the best of health, and hopefully the big ol' brain in your noggin isn't fooling the brain in your gut into making decisions that go against its best interest.

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One of my missions in life is to get most of the population to believe in the phrase "heart healthy saturated fat."

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No Lyndra I do not eat fruit because I get plenty of antioxidants from the foods I eat and I do not see a need to eat fructose in high amounts. I actually crave carbs somewhat when I need to eat them, but after 90 grams for the day I do not have a craving at all and I actually get a sick feeling thinking about eating more as I have considered to stunt my fat craving. I do not have a craving for sweets, I just have a craving for fat but thank you for your response.

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You said if I started an experiment and food that I ate made me feel itchy, then I needed to seek professional help from a eating disorder specialist lol.

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at 12:16 AM

For me, a craving for almond butter is really a craving for sweets. I have some problems with small LDL particles and so I really have to avoid all PUFAs and that means no almond butter. I am satisfying my desire for a sweet taste with an occasional banana. Is it possible there is more to your craving than a desire for fat?

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I like how you slipped that "heart healthy fat" in there... If only that phrase could catch on!

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>heart healthy fat I like how you slipped that in there... If only it would catch on

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at 11:39 PM

I never suggested craving fat was a sign of an eating disorder, I was suggesting that you might be making decisions based excessively on studies rather than your body's cues.

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on February 02, 2012
at 11:12 PM

Even without having an eating disorder to begin with, it is pretty easy to get caught in that "paralysis by analysis" spiral and talk yourself into borderline, if not outright orthorexia. Matt, if you are game for an experiment, and want to see if you've maybe wandered into that territory it would be worth trying a trust exercise with yourself. Eat whatever you want to for a month based purely on how it makes you feel, no research, no right or wrong, just eat food as it appeals to you. If it feels uncomfortable or "itchy" please seek professional help with an eating disorder specialist.

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on February 02, 2012
at 09:12 PM

Have you been diagnosed with an eating disorder?

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I feel for you, trying to make the best decisions for your body, but I'm worried that you might be applying uneven logic here, i.e. perceived possible harm from avocados or sat. fat versus the actual negative effect you have been feeling from excess consumption of nut butters. If you are craving fat, from most of my research into this area it seems like saturated is actually the most innocuous, the suggested USDA DV guidelines about its consumption have been warped by the moneyed interest in the seed oil industry, and are not based on the actual health benefits/detriments of its consumption.

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Sorry about the spacing. It seems the comment form does not accept lines of space between paragraphs.

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Matt, to me, it makes more sense to eat grain-fed beef than almond butter, both for saving money and for nutrients. Dr. Jan Kwasniewski recommends only using animal proteins for one's protein. Here is some information about his recommendations: http://homodiet.netfirms.com/index.html I stopped eating almond butter due to the phytic acid and the Omega 6 content. It's been a year now and I notice that I am stronger, due to eating more animal foods and avoiding the nuts/seeds/and their oils. PFW used lactose-free milk for carbs when he was on a very low fiber diet for a year.

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on February 02, 2012
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Why aren't you eating carbs?

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on February 02, 2012
at 12:58 PM

Ditto, what S wrong with avos?

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on February 02, 2012
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what's the matter with avocados? Care to share?

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on February 02, 2012
at 12:48 PM

I had problems with almond butter too, mainly slight nausea from eating nearly an entire jar at one sitting. I finally cut out all the nuts and nut butters, and replaced them with avocados, coconut milk, and coconut oil.

Could you try coconut milk? I can happily drink it straight, but it's also outstanding added to cooked dishes or mixed with frozen berries (that may not be for you, since you don't want carbs).

I also mix melted virgin coconut oil (which has that terrific coconut flavor) with peppermint extract and freeze it in mini-ice cube trays. Whenever I want some fat I can break one of those cubes out and just let it melt in my mouth.

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on February 02, 2012
at 03:49 PM

Just curious: How much is the almond butter? Jars of almond butter at my grocery store run $10/each, and even if I made it myself with raw almonds it'd still be a few bucks per jar. If you're doing half a jar a day, that's a lot of money going toward almond butter, and even if they're the best quality raw organic almonds that you soak/sprout, etc., they are still probably not as healthy for you as some high quality animal protein or (if you need more fat) coconut oil. It also represents a whole lot of PUFAs and other elements that aren't as desirable when considering the sheer quantity you're eating.

Have you considered putting that $3-$10 estimated daily cost of almond butter consumption toward purchasing more high quality meat or other fatty fuels instead? That could buy you a very nicely sized chunk of animal protein.

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on June 23, 2012
at 04:48 AM

But then he's still buying the almonds. Cheaper than the premade nut butter, but still pretty expensive at that quantity.

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on June 23, 2012
at 03:44 AM

you make I good point, if he was in facting buying it - which he is not and states in his second sentence... just sayin... :)

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on February 02, 2012
at 06:50 PM

That is a lot of almond butter! Have you ever tried macadamia butter? This would be a better alternative since macadamias are almost pure monounsaturated fat.

Try smoothies with raw egg yolks. It does not effect the taste and adds lots of nutrition including heart healthy fat.

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>heart healthy fat I like how you slipped that in there... If only it would catch on

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on February 03, 2012
at 12:08 AM

I like how you slipped that "heart healthy fat" in there... If only that phrase could catch on!

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on February 03, 2012
at 02:22 AM

One of my missions in life is to get most of the population to believe in the phrase "heart healthy saturated fat."

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on June 23, 2012
at 04:45 AM

HAHA! I once heard Sally Fallon (WAPF) say that one day she'd love to hear on a commercial: "Made with olive oil -- the same healthy fat found in lard!" :)

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on June 23, 2012
at 04:46 AM

I would eat macadamia nut butter if it was cheaper. Almond butter is $$, but macadamia is $$$$. (Even if you buy the nuts and make it yourself...macs are pricey!)

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on February 02, 2012
at 03:56 PM

Egg yolks are cheap and a great source of fat.

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on February 02, 2012
at 02:40 PM

have you tried eating some canned fish? also, since you are buying the whole almonds anyway, why not eat them that way? my only other thought is to make a mixed nut butter; replace some of the almonds with macadamias and or walnuts, pine nuts, pecans, brazil nuts, pistachios........

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on June 23, 2012
at 03:35 AM

Please, please think about what you're saying! All foods are 'bad' in excess. Do you eat broccoli? Cauliflower? Spinach? Kale? These contain goitrogens which can be bad for your thyroid, but only IN EXCESS. The same thing applies to avocados, PUFAs, saturated fats, protein, and starch/carbs/fructose. You should consider revising your dietary boundaries for the sake of your health. I don't think Happy Now was trying to insult you or give bogus advice, I think s/he is simply trying to tell you in a nice way that you're restrictions in your diet are unhealthy mentally, spiritually, and physically. The deficiency you're causing isn't nutrient-based, you aren't listening to your body. If you wake up with the same craving everyday, you aren't solving the problem correctly. Maybe you need to look into other sources of fat/animal sources. Do you drive? You can often get cheaper rates by driving directly to the farm...Don't be afraid to eat more meat, please. I'm not saying go out and eat a whole cow (not that I believe you would think I'm suggesting that) but consider purchasing lamb or another animal which has a higher fat content. You're going about healthy eating in a negative way. Sorry. I don't mean to lecture you... I'm sorry that you are struggling with finding your path to health, and I hope you find the way that works the best for you and your body, take care, be safe.

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on July 05, 2012
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http://paleodietlifestyle.com/eating-disorders-and-paleo-diet/

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on July 05, 2012
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Check out that article friend =] I hope you're feeling better!

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on February 02, 2012
at 07:48 PM

Thank you all for your responses because you have laid out a significant amount of valuable ideas and information. I would eat more meat, but with 100 grams from meat protein a day I am done and do not want to eat more and I get a significant sick feeling and a rock feeling in my abdomen that does not feel good at all when I eat more. I was speaking of something other than chuck, and buying a fat ratio that is higher but that takes more money. With making my own almond butter, I can buy a 32 oz bag of Blue Diamond for 9.95 and 16 oz makes an average jar you would buy at a store. I would definitely eat Macadamia nuts as they are or make butter from them as they are so great it is unbelievable but they are too expensive.

I would eat the almonds as they are but this does not satisfy me lol it "stuffs" me or satisfies me like most people say fiber "satisfies." But the aches from eating the nuts as they are come from eating more than three servings of course lol at my problem and I tried eating them as they are and I wanted to eat more. Eating the nuts as they are gives me a stomach ache: if I was in the wild I would eat more fat from animals lol or chew on them for a long time but the chewing is not practical.

I do not eat the nuts in the same meal as my minerals: my last meal of the day is when I eat the almond butter: four and a half hours after my last meal because I do not want to lose my nutrients to phytic acid.

Avocados have a natural fungicide in them called persin which has been shown in vitro to cause a large amount of DNA damage and myocardial cell death and other damage. But they say that the lining of our esophagus and stomach might protect us and it would not enter our bloodstream but I do not want to eat anything that contains a substance such as that. Here are the two links I have available on hand but I have read some studies. http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=2004.0 http://nutritionfacts.org/videos/are-avocados-bad-for-you/

As far as macronutrients I get more than one hundred percent the daily value for magnesium, potassium, zinc, iron, folate, iodine, selenium, and all of my vitamins and B vitamins. I know what I am craving is fat. But I believe this is of course temporary and I will end it if this craving still wants to go longer after three more days. Three more days will be the end and after that I will stop it and reintroduce it with a little more than a quarter of a jar a day until I can find a better solution. I just want to make a bone broth and use that for the fat as well, but of course portion it so I am not over 120 grams of fat a day in the future, as I was already planning to start eating that for other reasons than the fat lol. But I am concerned because I have read that too much calcium can cause calcium deposits in my organs and eating portions of dissolved bones might not be good as the daily value is just one gram of calcium and significantly dissolved bones might not be good.

I would eat coconut oil, but that is just mainly saturated fat and I do not want to go too far above the daily value for that even though I know it is an essential energy source for our body. The amount of fat I want to eat would not be satisfied with the amount of coconut I would want to eat: and also it is all saturated and my body does not want to have a large amount of that.

But really, thank you all for your responses as I definitely needed some ideas lol.

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on February 02, 2012
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I feel for you, trying to make the best decisions for your body, but I'm worried that you might be applying uneven logic here, i.e. perceived possible harm from avocados or sat. fat versus the actual negative effect you have been feeling from excess consumption of nut butters. If you are craving fat, from most of my research into this area it seems like saturated is actually the most innocuous, the suggested USDA DV guidelines about its consumption have been warped by the moneyed interest in the seed oil industry, and are not based on the actual health benefits/detriments of its consumption.

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on February 03, 2012
at 12:16 AM

For me, a craving for almond butter is really a craving for sweets. I have some problems with small LDL particles and so I really have to avoid all PUFAs and that means no almond butter. I am satisfying my desire for a sweet taste with an occasional banana. Is it possible there is more to your craving than a desire for fat?

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on February 02, 2012
at 09:12 PM

Have you been diagnosed with an eating disorder?

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on February 03, 2012
at 12:36 AM

No Lyndra I do not eat fruit because I get plenty of antioxidants from the foods I eat and I do not see a need to eat fructose in high amounts. I actually crave carbs somewhat when I need to eat them, but after 90 grams for the day I do not have a craving at all and I actually get a sick feeling thinking about eating more as I have considered to stunt my fat craving. I do not have a craving for sweets, I just have a craving for fat but thank you for your response.

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on February 02, 2012
at 11:12 PM

Even without having an eating disorder to begin with, it is pretty easy to get caught in that "paralysis by analysis" spiral and talk yourself into borderline, if not outright orthorexia. Matt, if you are game for an experiment, and want to see if you've maybe wandered into that territory it would be worth trying a trust exercise with yourself. Eat whatever you want to for a month based purely on how it makes you feel, no research, no right or wrong, just eat food as it appeals to you. If it feels uncomfortable or "itchy" please seek professional help with an eating disorder specialist.

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on June 23, 2012
at 03:50 AM

Matt, listen to HappyNow. Seriously

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on February 02, 2012
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Common sense, see your Doc!

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on June 23, 2012
at 03:51 AM

Eat Almond Butter and be happy and satisfied!!

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on February 02, 2012
at 11:30 PM

LOL how is it a eating disorder Happy Now if certain foods give me a reaction? And also, it does not mean I have a eating disorder if I have a craving for fat or more calories because there very well may be a reason my body is having this craving and I will of course make this diet temporary and stop it in three days for a week and then reintroduce it for less than half a jar a day until I find a better solution. I know nuts are bad and I hate eating them because of their negative properties and it seems unnatural but they do feel good to my body and I haven't been having digestive or other issues from them.

I know how to stop eating when I see or know there will be significant negative effects and so far I have not gained weight and have no significant negative effects. Also, the only feeling that is negative Happy Now from the almond butter is the stomach ache, which is actually not that bad, and if you were asking about the muscle aches that is from a fat craving.

And the only eating habit I can be considered to have is orthorexia but I only avoid foods that are possibly significantly negative for my body and I will avoid them if I do not need them because then why am I eating them? The problem in my opinion is eating food that can cause a significant negative result or damage to my body, based upon studies I have read completely and not articles, without needing to.

And as far as disregarding possible negative results from food, I don't see it as dumb to eat them anyway thinking that there isn't enough evidence, but I wouldn't say someone has a problem from avoiding them unless there was a problem created. And many substances start out with small studies until more studies are done and verification occurs. I believe there is also a reason many studies are not done on a large amount of nutritional subjects. As long as I am not creating a deficiency or problem, then there is no issue. But I appreciate your responses nonetheless Happy Now and Renee.

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You said if I started an experiment and food that I ate made me feel itchy, then I needed to seek professional help from a eating disorder specialist lol.

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on February 02, 2012
at 11:39 PM

I never suggested craving fat was a sign of an eating disorder, I was suggesting that you might be making decisions based excessively on studies rather than your body's cues.

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on February 03, 2012
at 08:05 AM

Sorry for caring dude.....I don't think you are getting what I meant. The "itchiness" I was referring to was about the mental discomfort those who feel the need to control what they are eating experience when faced with the idea of eating without rules. I was merely recommending a mental exercise to self-test for orthorexia. I wish you the best of health, and hopefully the big ol' brain in your noggin isn't fooling the brain in your gut into making decisions that go against its best interest.

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That seems like lots of nuts. I would go with sage_ on this. Buy your nuts whole and chew them. If you feel you still need more fat, try unrefined coconut oil right out of the jar, or munch on dried shredded coconut.

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on February 02, 2012
at 01:45 PM

It sounds to me like you're still trying to decide whether to kick the almond butter habit or not. Have you looked it up in one of the nutrition databases to see if it's some of the micronutrients that you're craving?

Also, are you eating the almond butter straight? If so, you could try putting it on celery sticks or flax bread (or flax crackers). That might help you eat less of it--which would at least help out your grocery bills! ;)

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