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i can't believe how bad i feel.

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Created June 04, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I feel fatigued, depressed, anxious, suffer from insomnia. I have problem with candida, gas, bloating, diarrhea every morning. I have problems with binge eating and fear of getting fat. I realised, that my body fat is 12,8% after a half year of paleo-nonpaleo, it was a shock for me. I felt and still feel like i have pounds to lose and blamed myself, that i can't eat better and less. Obviously i have no pounds to lose.(i'm 25 old female). I feel sooo tired and maybe the problem is, that i don't know what the "right amount" of food should be for me anymore. I bought a book about traditional chinese medicine food therapy. After a day eating what should be right to cure my candidiasis (lot of vegetable and brown rice, no fat, no meat, no cheese, no nuts) i feel worse than ever, my belly is huge and painfull. I ended eating a lot of almonds, butter with palm sugar and potato chips, which i haven't had for months. I need a balance in my life so much, please, could you tell me, how much should i be eating and what? I'm so sorry for asking thia boring question, but i can't rely on myself, obviously, i don't know how to eat normal portions and what is good for my body. If you have a littlw time, pleaae give me an advice, i will appreciate it so much!!!! i have 175 cm and 59 kg.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on July 10, 2012
at 10:00 PM

i agree. i felt this way too when i was in the grips of anorexia... it was remedied with counseling + sound nutrition.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on June 28, 2012
at 12:37 AM

i heartily disagree, korion. she is struggling with binging and afriad of being fat and out of control. that screams for mental help!

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on June 05, 2012
at 09:25 PM

Hey, maybe you guys need to work on your attitude a bit, wmertens was just trying to help. Eating simple sugars is actually pretty good for bacterial overgrowths. Okay, a brain infection is likely too far-fetched, the rest of his post is pretty good IMO.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 05, 2012
at 09:24 PM

I think these kinds of eating disorders, "orthorexia", is just a result of the conventional wisdom telling us sugar, salt, caffeine, ... is bad and veggies MUST be good. As it often fails, people keep taking it to the next level and just make it worse, and a vicious cycle. I think taking dieting less seriously (except PUFA) will be an impulse good enough to get jane back on track; Mental therapy will likely just make her feel like an idiot.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 05, 2012
at 08:10 PM

That's interesting ROB, high starch is not that bad fungi-wise for me, but low-carb really messes me up and high-fruit works very very well. If only it wasn't so expensive. I still have one tiny tinea spot to go, I had 12 big spots last year.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 05, 2012
at 08:08 PM

Getting kinda tired of the re-enactment stuff :). The girl has insomnia, fatigue, depression, ... I doubt low-carb is gonna do much good for her. Our ancestors likely ate the whole animal including the thyroid gland, making up for a lack of sugar. Haagen-Dazs and honey are (or are very close to) whole foods (in fact I think honey is more whole than muscle meat is), and can really make the whole diet thing more of a pleasure. You voted me down because you don't eat Haagen Dazs? Or because you're low carb? I don't really see anything wrong with my advice.

1dd1d4bde5b46b4c90efeadea3a96a75

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on June 05, 2012
at 07:00 PM

Haagen Dazs? Honey? Why couldn't most of us do low carb long term? I think our ancestors survived ice ages and winters this way and we wouldn't be here if they couldn't do it.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 05, 2012
at 07:08 AM

What's so bad about H-D, Karen?

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on June 05, 2012
at 06:21 AM

Good lord. Also what are you talking about in this sentence: "By eating simple sugars you will provide your body with glucose so it won't make ketones and they will be absorbed in your small intestine before they hit your bowel where they would feed your unhealthy gut. I got lost at the first "they". Probably better just to put the references to PHD and let the OP draw her own conclusions...

1398eff69b192c35de5e0dbaad59052a

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on June 05, 2012
at 05:46 AM

This is so not helpful. A brain infection? Yeesh, let's just scare the shit out of her even more and give her MORE to worry about and feel less in control of.

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on June 05, 2012
at 01:43 AM

The thing to note here is that everyone is different. I can't do a low carb diet, or a high fruit diet because both make my fungal infections worse. A high starch diet on the other hand doesn't.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:58 AM

Jane please let us know how it goes. Hang in

7767e05a8c4504f6be03f13ee40815cd

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on June 04, 2012
at 11:20 PM

12.8% BF is low for a man and extremely low for a woman. Seconding the advice here.

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on June 04, 2012
at 10:12 PM

Jane, I'd look on somethingfishy.com for info about treating eating disorders. They are really serious, they don't just go away by "chilling out". You need some treatment - ideally by a team of your GP, a nutritionist and a therapist. And it may mean shelving Paleo for a while.

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on June 04, 2012
at 10:07 PM

-1 for Haagen Dazs Yeeesh

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 04, 2012
at 09:17 PM

+1 for addressing the real problem hidden in the question. "I have problems with binge eating and fear of getting fat. I realised, that my body fat is 12,8% after a half year of paleo-nonpaleo, it was a shock for me. I felt and still feel like i have pounds to lose and blamed myself, that i can't eat better and less." This doesn't call for dietary advice but for seeing a mental health professional re: eating disorder.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 04, 2012
at 09:15 PM

+1 for addressing the real problem hidden in the question. "I have problems with binge eating and fear of getting fat. I realised, that my body fat is 12,8% after a half year of paleo-nonpaleo, it was a shock for me. I felt and still feel like i have pounds to lose and blamed myself, that i can't eat better and less." This doesn't call for dietary advice but for seeing a mental health professional re: eating disorder.

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on June 04, 2012
at 09:11 PM

Unfortunatelly, i must say, that my candida survive long months on the diet consisting of max 50g of carbs per day... And i feel tired, have too low % of bodyfat and it is still there..not good. I will try to eat more fruit ans co. Thanks

0d6c16dc3d1b43fae7364306068efd57

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on June 04, 2012
at 09:00 PM

What i should be doing with this, renee? Only a psychologist is the answer?

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:48 PM

jane, sounds like orthorexia. again, i had this.

0d6c16dc3d1b43fae7364306068efd57

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:43 PM

i am also surprised, that i am still menstruating, altought it is not 28-days-cycle like it used to be anymore.

0d6c16dc3d1b43fae7364306068efd57

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:38 PM

Yes, i know that i could have some sort of eating disorder.. the reason is not, that i want to be skinny, but that i want desperately to be healthy and take care of myself. It is ironic, isn't it

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:36 PM

Now that is BS, DePaw. Fungi can survive without sugar. Best thing I ever did for my tinea was eating tons of fruit. And on ZC it actually came back.

0d6c16dc3d1b43fae7364306068efd57

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:33 PM

Thank you! i hope i can, i have a consultation in 14 days...i need someone, who can repair my poor body:)

B8592e62f9804ddabae73c1103d6bcb9

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:30 PM

That sounds liek the macrobiotic diet, with is BS. Candida is a fungus, it feeds on sugars, cut the carbs and it will starve.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:29 PM

Oh sorry my bad didn't make the connection with the traditional chinese medicine. I think PUFA and starch should be removed and replaced with saturated fat and fruit sugar if you want to get rid of yeast problems (-> coconut oil and ripe fruits). Good luck, you'll get there :)

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:29 PM

You may feel worse before you feel better. A day isn't enough time to determine whether or not it will work.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:23 PM

you are definitely NOT alone :) Can you find a good doctor?

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:18 PM

I'd like to second this. I also deal with stomach bloating and it does make it difficult to sense hunger and satiety in a normal way, which can be mentally disconcerting. Eliminating grains and inflammatory foods has helped somewhat, but not completely. However, I would try to sort out your medical issues as best you can and in the meantime, try to do things that keep your thoughts happy and centered.

0d6c16dc3d1b43fae7364306068efd57

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:18 PM

Sorry for my english korion, i was so desperate that i tried traditional chinese medicine food therapy and after a day of eating thia recommended stuff, i feel like a crap..

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:17 PM

Well honestly I think if you improve your diet you'll chill out automatically ;), your stress doesn't seem to be a mental issue.

0d6c16dc3d1b43fae7364306068efd57

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:14 PM

I will try it, thanks for your answer.. You are definitely right, that i should chill out.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:08 PM

Wait, I don't understand this Jane : *"After a day eating what should be right to cure my candidiasis (lot of vegetable and brown rice, no fat, no meat, no cheese, no nuts) i feel worse than ever"*?

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F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:23 PM

I am seeing some warning signs of an eating disorder.You are at quite a low weight, not underweight but close, and 12.8% BF for a woman also seems low - are you still menstruating?

If you aren't giving your body enough food, you will feel like shit and your digestion will also suffer (starving off the good bacteria means more bloating, and not eating enough will slow everything down). I am not diagnosing you, just that your symptoms as well as your fear of fat, binging, and feeling of not knowing how much to eat tells me you are likely not eating enough. Have you talked to your GP about this?

PS I have had EDs in the past and I feel like 2 years ago I could have written this word for word.

7767e05a8c4504f6be03f13ee40815cd

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on June 04, 2012
at 11:20 PM

12.8% BF is low for a man and extremely low for a woman. Seconding the advice here.

0d6c16dc3d1b43fae7364306068efd57

(20)

on June 04, 2012
at 08:43 PM

i am also surprised, that i am still menstruating, altought it is not 28-days-cycle like it used to be anymore.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on June 04, 2012
at 08:48 PM

jane, sounds like orthorexia. again, i had this.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 04, 2012
at 09:17 PM

+1 for addressing the real problem hidden in the question. "I have problems with binge eating and fear of getting fat. I realised, that my body fat is 12,8% after a half year of paleo-nonpaleo, it was a shock for me. I felt and still feel like i have pounds to lose and blamed myself, that i can't eat better and less." This doesn't call for dietary advice but for seeing a mental health professional re: eating disorder.

0d6c16dc3d1b43fae7364306068efd57

(20)

on June 04, 2012
at 09:00 PM

What i should be doing with this, renee? Only a psychologist is the answer?

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on June 04, 2012
at 10:12 PM

Jane, I'd look on somethingfishy.com for info about treating eating disorders. They are really serious, they don't just go away by "chilling out". You need some treatment - ideally by a team of your GP, a nutritionist and a therapist. And it may mean shelving Paleo for a while.

0d6c16dc3d1b43fae7364306068efd57

(20)

on June 04, 2012
at 08:38 PM

Yes, i know that i could have some sort of eating disorder.. the reason is not, that i want to be skinny, but that i want desperately to be healthy and take care of myself. It is ironic, isn't it

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on June 05, 2012
at 09:24 PM

I think these kinds of eating disorders, "orthorexia", is just a result of the conventional wisdom telling us sugar, salt, caffeine, ... is bad and veggies MUST be good. As it often fails, people keep taking it to the next level and just make it worse, and a vicious cycle. I think taking dieting less seriously (except PUFA) will be an impulse good enough to get jane back on track; Mental therapy will likely just make her feel like an idiot.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

(560)

on June 28, 2012
at 12:37 AM

i heartily disagree, korion. she is struggling with binging and afriad of being fat and out of control. that screams for mental help!

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1398eff69b192c35de5e0dbaad59052a

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on June 05, 2012
at 05:43 AM

This is where you need to back off the paleo.

I don't mean stop following it. I mean, stop stressing about it. If you slip up, fine. If you eat something not paleo, fine.

Paleo is an easy way for those of us who are eating disordered to find a way to justify our obsessions with food.

There is this notion that if it's not curing all your woes, then you're not doing it right. I don't find this healthy. Everyone has issues they need to deal with--emotional and physical. This is part of life. Paleo is not and end-all be-all cure.

This may sound harsh, but this is also something that I have had to realize in the past year or so. That no matter how "perfectly" I may follow a way of eating, it may not get rid of my weird skin stuff--and you know what? THAT DOES NOT MEAN I HAVE FAILED.

Please, take this to heart. Please, think about seeing a therapist.

I would also spend a few days just giving yourself permission to eat whatever you want without worrying about it. If you feel sick, fine--you'll back off. Eventually, you'll find an equilibrium.

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on June 04, 2012
at 07:56 PM

Hi Jane, it sounds like you'd be better off seeking professional help to help with your relationship with food. As for your symptoms, I guess some would say you are bloated because of the candida dying off- I myself don't know much about candida, so I don't know if you should stick it out with that protocol or try something else. Unfortunately nobody here will be able to give you a definitive answer about what your should be eating. Good luck, and I hope you're doing better soon.

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:18 PM

I'd like to second this. I also deal with stomach bloating and it does make it difficult to sense hunger and satiety in a normal way, which can be mentally disconcerting. Eliminating grains and inflammatory foods has helped somewhat, but not completely. However, I would try to sort out your medical issues as best you can and in the meantime, try to do things that keep your thoughts happy and centered.

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on June 04, 2012
at 09:29 PM

Are you sure you have Candida? A Metametrix stool test would tell you for sure.

Fungi (Candida) are eukariotes and can feed on sugar as well as fats and ketones. By eating simple sugars (eg from ripe fruit or rice syrup or table sugar) you will provide your body with glucose so it won't make ketones and they will be absorbed in your small intestine before they hit your bowel where they would feed your unhealthy gut.

See also PHD on carbs, search for Candida.

Don't eat more sugars than you can absorb in your small intestine, lay off the fiber => starve gut flora a little. Coconut oil might be a good source of fat that is quickly absorbed and is somewhat toxic to gut pathogens, but I suppose you don't want to eat so much you're feeding your Candida.

Improve your immune function by supplementing, see PHD on bowel disease.

You could also have a brain infection due to your symptoms. See PHD on brain infections

Omega-3 shortage is also linked to depression so eat more fatty ocean fish like salmon.

Yeah I like the PHD :-) Good luck!

1398eff69b192c35de5e0dbaad59052a

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on June 05, 2012
at 05:46 AM

This is so not helpful. A brain infection? Yeesh, let's just scare the shit out of her even more and give her MORE to worry about and feel less in control of.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 05, 2012
at 09:25 PM

Hey, maybe you guys need to work on your attitude a bit, wmertens was just trying to help. Eating simple sugars is actually pretty good for bacterial overgrowths. Okay, a brain infection is likely too far-fetched, the rest of his post is pretty good IMO.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on June 05, 2012
at 06:21 AM

Good lord. Also what are you talking about in this sentence: "By eating simple sugars you will provide your body with glucose so it won't make ketones and they will be absorbed in your small intestine before they hit your bowel where they would feed your unhealthy gut. I got lost at the first "they". Probably better just to put the references to PHD and let the OP draw her own conclusions...

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on June 04, 2012
at 09:57 PM

That sounds like a really tough situation and so frustrating to not even know where to start.

In terms of portion sizes and eating, have you ever tried mindful eating? It's a big shift for some people - instead of trying to force something on your body, you commit to listening to your body and your emotions and identifying what you're truly feeling (is it really hunger or is it boredom, frustration, etc...) and then satisfying that need.

12.5% body fat is really alarming though; I second everyone who suggested seeing a doctor. Your body might just be freaking out because it's starving.

31381cfeb5d6da6fc75f80ab68e041ea

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on July 10, 2012
at 10:00 PM

i agree. i felt this way too when i was in the grips of anorexia... it was remedied with counseling + sound nutrition.

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:00 PM

Jane, don't stress it too much. A strict diet is NOT better than a whole foods, chill-out diet. The most important things you want to do to improve your health is :

  • cutting out PUFA
  • eating enough carbs (preferable from ripe fruits), saturated fats, ...

Low-carb can be beneficial for some, but most of us can't do it long-term.

I see that the advice on this forum that is often given coincides with what Ray Peat (more carbs for fatigue and sleep problems, gelatin/bone broth for digestion issues, more (natural and thus saturated) fat for basically anything, less diet adherence for those that just fail on a strict diet, ...). People often call him a quack but you should definitely try it out.

To improve your sleep I'd eat some ice cream (Haagen Dazs) with coconut oil, honey and salt. If you don't want to do dairy then eat some ripe, sweet fruit instead.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on June 04, 2012
at 10:07 PM

-1 for Haagen Dazs Yeeesh

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:17 PM

Well honestly I think if you improve your diet you'll chill out automatically ;), your stress doesn't seem to be a mental issue.

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:14 PM

I will try it, thanks for your answer.. You are definitely right, that i should chill out.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 05, 2012
at 07:08 AM

What's so bad about H-D, Karen?

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at 07:00 PM

Haagen Dazs? Honey? Why couldn't most of us do low carb long term? I think our ancestors survived ice ages and winters this way and we wouldn't be here if they couldn't do it.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on June 05, 2012
at 08:08 PM

Getting kinda tired of the re-enactment stuff :). The girl has insomnia, fatigue, depression, ... I doubt low-carb is gonna do much good for her. Our ancestors likely ate the whole animal including the thyroid gland, making up for a lack of sugar. Haagen-Dazs and honey are (or are very close to) whole foods (in fact I think honey is more whole than muscle meat is), and can really make the whole diet thing more of a pleasure. You voted me down because you don't eat Haagen Dazs? Or because you're low carb? I don't really see anything wrong with my advice.

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on June 04, 2012
at 07:53 PM

No one can tell you how much you need to eat. you need to gain confidence that if you listen and pay attention to your body, it will do the right thing. I would suggest getting professional help and putting this behind behind you.

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on June 05, 2012
at 03:01 AM

I have battled with this too. It is a struggle. Read this article on mindful eating http://spintas.weebly.com/1/post/2012/06/mindful-eating.html I think it is beneficial. I eat a lot too, but I am working on resetting myself to normal eating levels. FIRST I am LISTENING to my body. Whatever it needs, I give it. I am watching portions, but not starving myself. You don't need anyone telling you you have an eating disorder. You need support. Go see a holistic nutritionist. FEEL better :)

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:12 PM

Thank you so much for your words! I feel much better now, at least that i am not alone with this.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:23 PM

you are definitely NOT alone :) Can you find a good doctor?

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on June 05, 2012
at 12:58 AM

Jane please let us know how it goes. Hang in

0d6c16dc3d1b43fae7364306068efd57

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:33 PM

Thank you! i hope i can, i have a consultation in 14 days...i need someone, who can repair my poor body:)

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on June 04, 2012
at 08:09 PM

Hi Jane. Sorry things are so hard right now. They will get better though. Do you have medical insurance and if so will it pay for a naturopathic doctor? In most states it will. Or an Integrative or Functional Medicine MD. If you can, it might be worth if for you to do a stool analysis so that you know what type and how much yeast you have. People often assume its candida when in fact there are a number of other pathogens. Many companies will do sensitivity testing so that you know what treatments will address the specific pathogens you have. I used nystantin along with other herbal remedies and it worked for me. I was under the care of an ND for that.
I hope that you can find a doctor who will help you. Where are you located? hang in there. Better times ahead.

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at 10:01 PM

jane, how are you doing now?

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