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hungry, but already eating too much to lose weight.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 30, 2011 at 6:34 PM

I'm still having hunger issues. I've been eating lots of fat but am still hungry, very hungry, often. If I eat when I'm hungry I'm not losing weight, and I still have 70lbs to go. I don't like being hungry, it makes it hard to do my job.

I'd say 50%-75% of my calories are coming from fat as is from bacon, lard, and some olive oil.

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I've been eating low carb since February of this year.

I'd say I average less than 30g of carbs a day 6 days a week and 1 or 2 days of 70g or so. Most days it's less than 40g for sure. The 70g days aren't generally planned they happen when I get really hungry and find no amount of protein and fat help.

I eat lots of protein, it wouldn't be unusual to consume 32oz of beef, 8oz of fish and 8oz of chicken, eggs, or pork in a day. I've been hungry and eaten 6lbs of beef in a day multiple times and only stopped eating because I ran out of food.

Sometimes I get very very hungry and must eat then I must exercise. To which I have to ask my body why the hell it just asked for a bunch of food only to insist we go burn some of it off? Doesn't my body know I have work to do other than playing on the gymnastic rings or seeing the neighborhood?

06325b762f78a2b8aaa977161cca4a1f

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on August 31, 2011
at 06:35 AM

This answer totally resonates with me. I used to be able to down a HUGE volume of food and still be left craving or "hungry" and I felt terrible. Now I do the "eat what sounds good" (within liberal paleo parameters) approach and I can now eat WAY smaller portions because I'm giving my body what it needs/craves.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 31, 2011
at 01:19 AM

That's true, Ambimorpg. I'm one of those people, in fact, having lost 30 pounds on VLC but then stalling for nearly two years until I went ZC. So it is, perhaps, worth a try.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 31, 2011
at 01:19 AM

That's true, Amber. I'm one of those people, in fact, having lost 30 pounds on VLC but then stalling for nearly two years until I went ZC. So it is, perhaps, worth a try.

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on August 31, 2011
at 01:02 AM

As a counterpoint to Rose's point, there are also several who didn't lose on LC or VLC, but did lose on ZC, so maybe this would resolve for you if you went lower in carbs and stayed low for a while.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 30, 2011
at 11:56 PM

Yep. I'm convinced I dump loads of insulin after eating, way more than the average person. I think a lot of us with ongoing weight issues are in this boat: http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2011/08/26/ron-rosedale-the-toast-test/

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on August 30, 2011
at 11:38 PM

I'd be interested to know your height/weight and how much you've lost and how much you'd like to lose. That is a lot of meat. Have you played around with eating less of that and more of the other stuff?

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on August 30, 2011
at 11:36 PM

Dairy (besides butter and cream) is very insulinogenic and that can play a part in hunger. Cheeses, especially soft cheeses, make me ravenously, insanely hungry to the point where I cannot control myself.

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on August 30, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Yeah, dairy makes me ravenous as well. Especially cheese. No idea why.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 30, 2011
at 10:55 PM

I know of three people who ate strictly ZC for over a year each, and whose appetite -- especially for fat -- never decreased, as mine did naturally at around the six-month mark. They also never lost the weight they wanted to lose, and had experiences similar to yours. These were all women I knew from a zero-carb forum, and as far as I could tell, their predicaments were unusual. Other folks experienced (much) better results. I wish I had advice -- the advice they received was similar, too ("more fat/protein", "less exercise," etc.). Just wanted to let you know you're not alone.

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on August 30, 2011
at 09:15 PM

3L a day or so.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 30, 2011
at 09:04 PM

Coconut oil is practically a condiment around here. Yeah I can't afford pastured beef and chicken, but I generally eat leaner meats and then drown them in coconut oil. Though we do eat a fair amount of fish, both fatty and lean with the lean generally fried in fat.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 30, 2011
at 09:03 PM

That's always the answer, oh it's not enough fat, oh it's not enough protein. I can EASILY eat a pound of beef at every meal and still be hungry. I've been low carb since January, very low carb for 2 months.

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on August 30, 2011
at 08:08 PM

It may not be the food you're eating, it may be you. Perhaps your body is still not using the fat you're giving it. If you're eating more than your basal needs, obviously that's going somewhere, whether into your fat cells or into your stool. So we need more info on your food and perhaps on you. You might try some strict IF to get your body in gear and burning fat.

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on August 30, 2011
at 07:09 PM

+1 I had a lot of hunger issues at first too. They took about 2 months to go away. It might be cravings, rather then real hunger.

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on August 30, 2011
at 07:00 PM

yup.. eat more protein, especially in the morning

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on August 30, 2011
at 06:58 PM

David: Agreed; if I eat a 16oz steak by itself, I'll get 7+ hours of satiety out of it.

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on August 30, 2011
at 06:52 PM

coconut oil and grass fed butter are pretty much the only fats I use to cook with anymore +1 and yeah, many more details are needed

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on August 30, 2011
at 06:39 PM

The most obvious first question is: 'how much protein are you eating?'

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707bb8a600ee5ae10d4699a5020a8211

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on August 30, 2011
at 10:54 PM

I had the same feeling when I banned salt from my diet; my body was always craving for salt, and I misinterpreted the lack of salt as being hungry.

I was craving for things like potato chips, and when I tried eating something else (which was not salty), I still craved for the potato chips, so I just kept eating whatever was available... Reintroducing salt to my diet was the solution for me.

My guess is that your body is actually missing something crucial, and that it is craving for it, hence the "Hunger"...

Maybe try eating whatever you feel like, examine what satisfies you, and find out which crucial parts your diet might be missing...

06325b762f78a2b8aaa977161cca4a1f

(539)

on August 31, 2011
at 06:35 AM

This answer totally resonates with me. I used to be able to down a HUGE volume of food and still be left craving or "hungry" and I felt terrible. Now I do the "eat what sounds good" (within liberal paleo parameters) approach and I can now eat WAY smaller portions because I'm giving my body what it needs/craves.

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on August 30, 2011
at 08:22 PM

Aside from the protein suggestion, it may be that you are currently leptin resistant and are thus not experiencing the satiety that your diet would normally provide. As far as I can tell, leptin resistance occurs as a result of elevated triglycerides blocking the passage of leptin across the blood-brain barrier. Exercising more and avoiding fructose seem to be the best bets for reducing triglycerides and increasing leptin sensitivity.

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on August 30, 2011
at 11:09 PM

I had a lot of the same problems. I had to cut out all dairy and artificial sweeteners AND had to skip breakfast (Intermittent Fast).

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 30, 2011
at 11:36 PM

Dairy (besides butter and cream) is very insulinogenic and that can play a part in hunger. Cheeses, especially soft cheeses, make me ravenously, insanely hungry to the point where I cannot control myself.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 30, 2011
at 11:56 PM

Yep. I'm convinced I dump loads of insulin after eating, way more than the average person. I think a lot of us with ongoing weight issues are in this boat: http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2011/08/26/ron-rosedale-the-toast-test/

F6c1df7d5699661bd1f0d6d0a6c17fc6

on August 30, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Yeah, dairy makes me ravenous as well. Especially cheese. No idea why.

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on August 30, 2011
at 07:03 PM

How long have you been eating this way? I just got started maybe a month ago. Initially, I was hungry all the time as well. The majority of my diet is in the form of protein and fats like grassfed butter, coconut oil, and avocados.

My typical morning meal starts at roughly 8:30 - 9am is 2 - 3 fried eggs and coffee with cream. That usually tides me over till around 1 - 2pm where I start getting a bit hungry... but not hungry enough for a meal. Lunches range from a couple of left over meatballs to a few sardines, to a hard boiled egg or 2 to maybe a few slices of nitrite/nitrate free prosciutto and cheese.

Dinner is where I do all my variety and try out different things. Usually a nice sized portion of some protein (lots of fish lately), also cooked in some butter or oil, some form of vegetables.

I might grab a hand full of seeds or nuts during the day as snacks.

I did some quick entries in fit day over the course of a week and determined that I am actually burning FAR more calories than I am taking in. But I am never "starving" and, after the "carb flu" passed, I have plenty of energy.

A45af235ed4dd0b4f548c59e91b75763

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on August 30, 2011
at 07:09 PM

+1 I had a lot of hunger issues at first too. They took about 2 months to go away. It might be cravings, rather then real hunger.

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on August 30, 2011
at 06:44 PM

Try being more specific about what you're eating, there are a lot of factors. Barring something obvious like artificial sweeteners, you might do better with a different macronutrient ratio. More carbohydrate, less fat. Or maybe you're under consuming protein. Or maybe you're getting too many carbohydrate and for you it's triggering satiety issues. We can't really help you with anything until we have more information :)

Also, 50-75% of your calories are coming from fats which are high in Omega 6. It would be prudent to replace much of those fats with coconut oil, or butter if you tolerate it.

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on August 30, 2011
at 06:52 PM

coconut oil and grass fed butter are pretty much the only fats I use to cook with anymore +1 and yeah, many more details are needed

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

(823)

on August 30, 2011
at 09:04 PM

Coconut oil is practically a condiment around here. Yeah I can't afford pastured beef and chicken, but I generally eat leaner meats and then drown them in coconut oil. Though we do eat a fair amount of fish, both fatty and lean with the lean generally fried in fat.

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F6c1df7d5699661bd1f0d6d0a6c17fc6

on August 30, 2011
at 11:26 PM

If I'm stressed the hunger never goes. Mainly work stress and too little sleep, so I'm guessing some kind of cortisol issue. Could that be the case for you as well?

If that is the case, then you might want to up the carbs a little bit and just go easier on the whole dieting and exercising, and just make sure that you are losing slowly but steadily.

And sleep!!

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on August 30, 2011
at 10:41 PM

hi Noah,
i think i suffer from the same issues as you, but less extreme. there are days when there isn't enough food in the house to kill that hunger. i've come to the conclusion that my brain is misinterpreting something else as hunger since i have always been this way.

mom used to joke about how ravenously i fed as an infant and that once on solid food i learned to use a spoon and fork before my brother who is 18 months older than me. even now i get comments about how much i can consume at a sitting when i don't plan out and measure what i am going to eat at each meal.

i don't have an answer, but i want you to know that you are not the only one, as little as that helps.

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on August 30, 2011
at 08:48 PM

Are you drinking enough water? Usually when I start to get hungry, I will chug a glass or two of water and my hunger will go away. A lot of people mistake hunger for thirst.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 30, 2011
at 09:15 PM

3L a day or so.

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on August 31, 2011
at 04:59 AM

You should try The Quilt's leptin reset strategy. It is well documented on Mark's Daily Apple in the Nutrition forum.

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on August 31, 2011
at 04:16 AM

How much body fat do you have? If you are already very lean then will have to eat more food since there aren't any body fat stores for your body to dip into and make up the difference. Those of us who have more stored body fat can get away with eating a lot less because we are getting part of our energy by burning off fat.

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