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How much is too much… beef?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 04, 2011 at 9:46 PM

I've been doing low carbish for 6 months, quite a bit lower for the last 2 months.

I'm trying to lose weight and I have lots to go but if I eat carbs I'm ravenous for sugar all day so I am pretty low carb.

But frankly I'm still really hungry. For example today I had 2 eggs 2 strips bacon an 1/4 of a cucumber for breakfast. A pound of cooked ground beef for lunch and a .75 pounds a few hours later. Yes just greasy beef. But I could easily eat another 2 pounds today.

The beef alone is a terrible amount of calories. I've been at this a while but I always want to eat and especially sugar at night, like after 9pm

5.75lbs of lean ground beef (if I were just going to eat beef all day)

Calories 6416   (26820 kJ)
??   ??   % DV 1
Total Fat   414.7g  638%
Sat. Fat    157.8g  789%
Trans Fat   29g  ??
Cholesterol 2243mg  748%
Sodium  2165mg  90%
Total Carbs.    0g  0%
Dietary Fiber   0g  0%
Sugars  0g   ??
Protein 627g     ??
Calcium 678.1mg  ??
Potassium   8737.5mg

Omg 29g trans fat!

I'm not fat phobic, not sure why people assume that, I'm not convinced CLA is totally harmless.

I'm not really losing weight like this obviously. I'd estimate the average day is in excess of 4,000 calories. Though I don't really gain any either.

Also I don't just eat beef but I am pretty animal product focused and with some vegs and veg fats.

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on January 25, 2012
at 11:12 PM

I guess now we know he is consuming more than enough :)

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

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on August 05, 2011
at 03:01 PM

I've seen 73/27 ground beef at my local supermarket. But it's CAFO beef that's been ground offsite, which gives me the willies. I'd rather get 85/15 grassfed and bump up the fat content with cocounut oil or butter. Anyway, onto the question at hand. Considering how much you're eating, 1350kcal from fat isn't enough for an average 2400kcal diet anyway; if you are hungry even after consuming a pound of beef (and granted, I eat about 1.25lb at a meal), I recommend you move to butter at that point. Eat half a stick. If you're still hungry, eat the rest of the stick. See how you feel.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 05, 2011
at 01:33 PM

@MR Raccoon - I think KGH is pulling a Jimi Hendrix. Hits the scene from obscurity and totally shakes up the music community. Dies after 3 years, but still influencing people 30+ years later. Of course I use death figuratively here with KGH :-)

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 05, 2011
at 11:08 AM

I'd recommend trying a week of larger breakfasts with high fat as a trial. See whether it helps.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 05, 2011
at 11:07 AM

I'd be concerned also that he could be hungry in part because of running low on some nutrients - adding in some liver at least mixed into the ground beef would probably help with that. And replace the cucumber with a pile of green leaves. Despite that it does seem like adding fat and more protein at the beginning of the day would help a lot.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 05, 2011
at 06:46 AM

And don't push it too hard to begin with. You don't want your body to be dreading it. Take it slow enough...

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 05, 2011
at 06:45 AM

(continued) so you are really going hard at it for those 30 min. You may need to eat a bit of protein/fat before you exercise, then IF you get a hunger response initially, have the rest of what would be a normal breakfast, if you do it in this pattern. Also, have to give it some time as you establish it as a routine and your body reacts and adapts. Hope it is helpful. Let us know.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 05, 2011
at 06:41 AM

Exercise is tricky. It very much depends on the individual picture. Taubes is correct re: people who are not high cortisol. For anxious, high cortisol people, the response is different because of the lowering of cortisol. If you can workout in the am, that may be especially helpful. I typically have my one cup of coffee with heavy cream and then go workout. I don't eat prior. BUT, I have already lost all my weight - so no longer inflammed, etc. So your picture is different. You will need to experiement and then track your response. Only need 30min, but build up ...

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:39 AM

Ah, Noah, I didn't think to check your profile until after I posted that comment about "speaking metric." Perhaps finding fatty ground beef is less of a problem in Canada than it is over the puddle?

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:36 AM

High stress? Uhm yes. I'm a serial entrepreneur and own multiple businesses. I *do sleep a lot though* I get a good 10 hours a day, 12 some days and in total dark. I don't drink much caffeine either. I don't generally exercise at all though, I'll try and see if that helps, I have not been doing so for fear of making the apatite worse per Why We Get Fat.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:35 AM

@mem: thanks. Back atcha.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 05, 2011
at 05:33 AM

Great cortisol insights, mem. Even if the shoe doesn't fit Noah, it'll fit someone, so it's great to have your story out here.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 05, 2011
at 05:31 AM

Thanks mem. Hope the family illness x 2 has been replaced with health and wellness!

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:30 AM

Because it's cheapest, generally it's 85/15 beef.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 05, 2011
at 05:30 AM

Yep, I think you'd need more fat. Sounds like you're in the UK or some other place that speaks metric, lol, and I've heard it can be hard to find fatty burger in such exotic lands. Here in the states we can get 80/20 (20% fat by weight), which works out to about 72% calories from fat. That's closer to the ratio I'd try for. If you can't get fatty ground beef, Mem's idea of adding coconut oil is good. Or butter, or pork lard -- whatever ya got. It sounds like you might be an insulin super-producer, like me. Fat is the only macro that doesn't spike my insulin, crash my BG, and leave me starving.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 05, 2011
at 05:25 AM

+1 for an important question that NEEDS hacking!

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 05, 2011
at 05:22 AM

+1 for your consistenly sound, great advice and ed. :)

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 05, 2011
at 05:22 AM

+1 for a nice one, as usual!

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:11 AM

In the beef example that's 414.7g of fat and you'd think I'd need more? Seriously I can eat 6lbs of ground beef in a day without batting an eye and still wander around going "man I could use a snack" In a typical day when I'm being "careful" not to over eat I'll still easily exceed 150g of fat (1350cal)

0c939bdddc3d8f8ef923ba8a72aeda71

on August 05, 2011
at 05:11 AM

Bacon grease sounds good too. My emphasis would be on upping the eggs and other fat sources. Also I just noticed you're eating *lean* ground beef. Why? If you're going to eat ground, get the fattiest ground beef you can find and add more fat to it. Keep the fat/protein ratio high.

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:08 AM

Hmm. Well, perhaps that's out then. I wouldn't ignore the frequency of meals as a factor in your satiety, though. Eating 5 times a day works for some people, but it sounds like it might not be working for you. Again--just something to play around with.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

(823)

on August 05, 2011
at 05:03 AM

I have tried, the hunger just starts a bit sooner.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

(823)

on August 05, 2011
at 05:03 AM

Generally I cook the eggs in bacon grease or coconut oil.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 05, 2011
at 04:42 AM

Yes, that's what I was trying to say. When I began ZC, I was around 75% of calories from fat, and I aimed for 80%.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:12 AM

Noah, you might not be so hungry if you upped the fat.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:10 AM

I must say I disagree that hamburger would not be good "as the main substance that you're putting in your body." I think it's one of the best candidates for such a substance.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 05, 2011
at 03:53 AM

I'd say what's wrong is I'm STILL hungry, even with that much food, and I'm not losing weight.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 05, 2011
at 03:53 AM

I don't eat more at breakfast because I generally eat again fairly soon due to scheduling and because I'm not that hungry when I wake up. I'll tend to eat at 7, 11, 3, 6, and 10 and the hunger gets worse over the course of the day with the sugar cravings starting bad around 9ish. I've been low carb in whatever variety for over 6 months.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 05, 2011
at 03:53 AM

I don't eat more at breakfast because I generally eat again fairly soon due to scheduling and because I'm not that hungry when I wake up. I'll tend to eat at 7, 11, 3, 6, and 10 and the hunger gets worse over the course of the day with the sugar cravings starting bad around 9ish. I've been low carb in whatever variety for over 6 months.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on August 05, 2011
at 02:30 AM

Sounds like you're nailing it! I love hearing success like this.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:13 AM

You beat me to it. I think Mark Sisson had an article about natural trans fats... here are a few: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/cla-supplements/ (indirectly) and a little blurb at the end of http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-are-trans-fats-bad/

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on August 05, 2011
at 12:58 AM

Archevore is back online!...2 months later and nothing. *thumb twiddle*

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 05, 2011
at 12:03 AM

I miss him too Rose :-(

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 04, 2011
at 11:45 PM

Excellent link! I miss Kurt's posts, but I'm glad we've got the ones we've got.

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at 10:11 PM

how long have you been low carbing?

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Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 05, 2011
at 05:14 AM

As I remember, you posted previously and had lost maybe between 25 and 40lbs...can't quite remember.

You've already heard from Rose, who IMHO is a real go-to person for someone with significant weight they are trying to take off, who has metabolic issues. I agree very much with her assessment re: up fat. One thing I do when confronted with lean burger meat (which I am because my H. is non-paleo and still can't get his head around buying any hamburger but super lean, most of the time!) is that I add coconut oil to it before I cook it. That takes care of it neatly. I don't add it sparingly, either. It also imparts a nice taste that I enjoy.

One thing that is really sticking out for me is the hunger you continue to experiece. What's your life like? What's your work like? Are you a stressed, anxious person? Are you a big-time type A type person? I ask this because this can drive a sort of pseudo-hunger and also drive real stomach growling hunger. And seeing as how I am "THe Corisol Queen" and this was a huge issue in my weightloss journey, if this is an issue for you, I have some suggestions.

I grew up in a way that predisposes one to have ongoing high cortisol levels. I also gravitated to work positions in my profession that were very high stim and involved being on call 24 hours a day, etc and working in situations in which one must be a "chaos tamer" because chaos is the norm. I also worked alot of changing shift work for many years and managed units/operations in which I covered for people who couldn't come in, etc, so working a 16 or more hour day was no unusual thing for me, for many years. I became very accustomed to having poor, broken sleep hours and getting awakened with calls etc out of sleep, chronically.

Skip to the chase...Needless to say...eventually this caught up with me. It took a long time, but it did. I lived an adult life in which I constantly ran on neural pathways deeply entrenched from childhood on... I was a very anxious person and had no idea that I was an anxious person and it did not manifest for me in what we culturally may identify as "anxious behaviors."

This, eventually, wildly drove overgrazing eating behaviors and it also drove REAL HUNGER. For me, constantly driving on high cortisol completely screwed up all "patterns" in my life - eating and sleep being two MAJORS. In addition to the anxious grazing stuff, I would get stomach growling hungry, way too much.

Now, it became much more complex than this... but this was a core, driving issue for me, and would continue to be, except that I've found the antidote.

So, what's the cure? The cure is in consistently lowering that cortisol AND, likely in your case, also increasing skeletal muscle insulin sensitivity.

How do you do this? You find the right kind of exercise for you and do it consistently for 30 min or so. On an average of 5 days a week, sometimes 6, sometimes 4, I do strength/resistance interval training or dancercise. I also walk intensely in good weather. I've pretty much learned that whatever pattern I work, i don't skip more than one day between exercise days.

If I do, the anxious-grazer and/or the wild stomach-growling -refrigerator-attacking-insatiable woman returns. It's that simple.

I cannot stress how important I think finding the right exercise fit for you is. I do dancerercise because the fluid MOVEMENT is right for me and the music is important for me as well. I do circuit training because I want the muscle/strength building, but I also run on the recovery stations and have now learned to meditate at the same time and it keeps me MOVING and that works for me. I need "fluid" movement and zooooooom.

Sharma has written good stuff on the effectiveness of exercise in particular for anxious, cortisol driven people, who may also be depressed.

Now, if the shoe doesn't fit...just ignore! :)

If the shoe fits, I'd be glad to pull some links for you to read.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:36 AM

High stress? Uhm yes. I'm a serial entrepreneur and own multiple businesses. I *do sleep a lot though* I get a good 10 hours a day, 12 some days and in total dark. I don't drink much caffeine either. I don't generally exercise at all though, I'll try and see if that helps, I have not been doing so for fear of making the apatite worse per Why We Get Fat.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 05, 2011
at 06:41 AM

Exercise is tricky. It very much depends on the individual picture. Taubes is correct re: people who are not high cortisol. For anxious, high cortisol people, the response is different because of the lowering of cortisol. If you can workout in the am, that may be especially helpful. I typically have my one cup of coffee with heavy cream and then go workout. I don't eat prior. BUT, I have already lost all my weight - so no longer inflammed, etc. So your picture is different. You will need to experiement and then track your response. Only need 30min, but build up ...

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 05, 2011
at 06:46 AM

And don't push it too hard to begin with. You don't want your body to be dreading it. Take it slow enough...

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 05, 2011
at 05:33 AM

Great cortisol insights, mem. Even if the shoe doesn't fit Noah, it'll fit someone, so it's great to have your story out here.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 05, 2011
at 06:45 AM

(continued) so you are really going hard at it for those 30 min. You may need to eat a bit of protein/fat before you exercise, then IF you get a hunger response initially, have the rest of what would be a normal breakfast, if you do it in this pattern. Also, have to give it some time as you establish it as a routine and your body reacts and adapts. Hope it is helpful. Let us know.

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D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 04, 2011
at 11:42 PM

I'm not going to be able to answer all of your question regarding beef (since I don't eat it), but I want to address the OMG re: trans fats-

Please read this article-

Here is the key quote-

Now we should make it clear that there are trans fats found in nature. They can be up to a few percent (usually 2%) of the fat in the meat of ruminants and in dairy fats. However, the predominant type of natural trans fats are conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), otherwise known as rumenic acid, and its precursor vaccenic acid. Vaccenic acid (C18:1 trans-11) can be converted to CLA by humans, which is not only proposed likely free of the negative metabolic effects of the dominant artificial trans fats (like Elaidic acid), but possibly has anti-cancer properties. Both of these ???good trans fats??? are made by bacteria in the stomach of ruminants, and like the long chain n-3 PUFAs we like, they are made in greater amounts on a grass-only diet. So grass-finished ruminant milk products and fatty meat will have these good trans fats, and they are good for us.

You can read the rest of the article (and I strongly advise you do), but the point is natural trans-fats do not equal artificial (man made) trans fats. The former is good and the latter is the spawn of Satan.

Good luck!

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 05, 2011
at 05:22 AM

+1 for a nice one, as usual!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 05, 2011
at 05:31 AM

Thanks mem. Hope the family illness x 2 has been replaced with health and wellness!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 05, 2011
at 12:03 AM

I miss him too Rose :-(

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on August 05, 2011
at 12:58 AM

Archevore is back online!...2 months later and nothing. *thumb twiddle*

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 04, 2011
at 11:45 PM

Excellent link! I miss Kurt's posts, but I'm glad we've got the ones we've got.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on August 05, 2011
at 01:13 AM

You beat me to it. I think Mark Sisson had an article about natural trans fats... here are a few: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/cla-supplements/ (indirectly) and a little blurb at the end of http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-are-trans-fats-bad/

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 05, 2011
at 01:33 PM

@MR Raccoon - I think KGH is pulling a Jimi Hendrix. Hits the scene from obscurity and totally shakes up the music community. Dies after 3 years, but still influencing people 30+ years later. Of course I use death figuratively here with KGH :-)

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 04, 2011
at 11:27 PM

When I started VLCing four years ago, I ate a lot of meat, and then when I went ZC a couple years after that, I ate literally nothing but meat, most of it beef, and most of that very high fat. To me, the only thing I see "wrong" with the beef you posted is that it's lean ground beef, lol. The first few weeks of deep ketosis, you really need to eat loads of fat. That keeps the hunger away, and it helps with the initial weakness that some people seem to get, too. I stayed pretty high-fat, in fact, for a little over my first year on ZC, until my appetite for it seemed to naturally wane on its own. I still average about 60-65% fat, whenever I plug my numbers into nutritiondata.com.

Dr. Mike Eades just put up two excellent posts on (re)adjusting to low-carb; check them out here:

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/ketones-and-ketosis/tips-tricks-for-starting-or-restarting-low-carb-pt-i/

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/tips-tricks-for-starting-or-restarting-low-carb-pt-ii/

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 05, 2011
at 05:39 AM

Ah, Noah, I didn't think to check your profile until after I posted that comment about "speaking metric." Perhaps finding fatty ground beef is less of a problem in Canada than it is over the puddle?

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 05, 2011
at 05:22 AM

+1 for your consistenly sound, great advice and ed. :)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 05, 2011
at 04:42 AM

Yes, that's what I was trying to say. When I began ZC, I was around 75% of calories from fat, and I aimed for 80%.

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

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on August 05, 2011
at 03:01 PM

I've seen 73/27 ground beef at my local supermarket. But it's CAFO beef that's been ground offsite, which gives me the willies. I'd rather get 85/15 grassfed and bump up the fat content with cocounut oil or butter. Anyway, onto the question at hand. Considering how much you're eating, 1350kcal from fat isn't enough for an average 2400kcal diet anyway; if you are hungry even after consuming a pound of beef (and granted, I eat about 1.25lb at a meal), I recommend you move to butter at that point. Eat half a stick. If you're still hungry, eat the rest of the stick. See how you feel.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 05, 2011
at 03:53 AM

I'd say what's wrong is I'm STILL hungry, even with that much food, and I'm not losing weight.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 05, 2011
at 05:30 AM

Yep, I think you'd need more fat. Sounds like you're in the UK or some other place that speaks metric, lol, and I've heard it can be hard to find fatty burger in such exotic lands. Here in the states we can get 80/20 (20% fat by weight), which works out to about 72% calories from fat. That's closer to the ratio I'd try for. If you can't get fatty ground beef, Mem's idea of adding coconut oil is good. Or butter, or pork lard -- whatever ya got. It sounds like you might be an insulin super-producer, like me. Fat is the only macro that doesn't spike my insulin, crash my BG, and leave me starving.

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:12 AM

Noah, you might not be so hungry if you upped the fat.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 05, 2011
at 05:35 AM

@mem: thanks. Back atcha.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:11 AM

In the beef example that's 414.7g of fat and you'd think I'd need more? Seriously I can eat 6lbs of ground beef in a day without batting an eye and still wander around going "man I could use a snack" In a typical day when I'm being "careful" not to over eat I'll still easily exceed 150g of fat (1350cal)

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:47 AM

Noah If I ate 2 eggs and 2 slices of bacon for breakfast I would be gnawing at the couch within 10 min. I too am on the weight loss track with another 30 lbs to go. I recently lost 22 in the last 6 weeks living this lifestyle but it took me a minute to tweak my eating, to figure out what worked for me. I found that I do better if I "front load" breakfast. I only eat about 1300 cal a day but 700 of them happen first thing in the morning all focused on protein(50 or so grams) and the fat. A typical breakfast is coffee with heavy cream,6 oz of animal protein and 3 or 4 eggs all cooked in a couple of tbs of coconut oil. My next meal is around 3pm and is a bunch of roasted veggies with a can of tuna or sardines. Dinner is about 4-6 oz of protein with tons of green veggies. I track it all on livestrong and come in around 1300 cal a day with carbs around 30gr and my fat ratio is a solid 60%. I wanted to get so specific just to say that this is what works for me after I tinkered around a bit and you are your own experiment. I also like the comfort of knowing the numbers and being able to continually re-evaluate. I have a history of food addiction and obesity and was 375lb at my heaviest. Best of luck,I know you can make it work!

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on August 05, 2011
at 02:30 AM

Sounds like you're nailing it! I love hearing success like this.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

(823)

on August 05, 2011
at 03:53 AM

I don't eat more at breakfast because I generally eat again fairly soon due to scheduling and because I'm not that hungry when I wake up. I'll tend to eat at 7, 11, 3, 6, and 10 and the hunger gets worse over the course of the day with the sugar cravings starting bad around 9ish. I've been low carb in whatever variety for over 6 months.

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on August 05, 2011
at 06:21 AM

You need more fat in the diet.

Try 4 eggs in the morning and 1 tbsp butter. Add butter to lunch as well. Or use coconut oil.

ALso know that you will survive on less food just fine.

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on January 25, 2012
at 11:12 PM

I guess now we know he is consuming more than enough :)

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0c939bdddc3d8f8ef923ba8a72aeda71

on August 05, 2011
at 04:58 AM

Toss the useless cucumber and eat way way more eggs, I say.

I ate 7-8 eggs + lots of uncured bacon and/or sausages + cream in cocoa/coffee when I was LC to lose visceral fat. Cook eggs in butter or ghee or coconut oil. When I was eating lots of eggs, I wouldn't be hungry for the rest of the day. For a few weeks, I only ate big breakfasts.

0c939bdddc3d8f8ef923ba8a72aeda71

on August 05, 2011
at 05:11 AM

Bacon grease sounds good too. My emphasis would be on upping the eggs and other fat sources. Also I just noticed you're eating *lean* ground beef. Why? If you're going to eat ground, get the fattiest ground beef you can find and add more fat to it. Keep the fat/protein ratio high.

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:03 AM

Generally I cook the eggs in bacon grease or coconut oil.

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:30 AM

Because it's cheapest, generally it's 85/15 beef.

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on August 05, 2011
at 10:46 AM

I didn't notice you mentioning how often you ate. I would suggest that you eat every three hours, eat only until satisfied and not stuffed then stop.

I eat at 8am, 11am, 2pm, 5pm, and 8pm. If hungry between meals, I'll have some nuts.

Give that a try? If every three doesn't work for you...nothing wrong with every 2 hours. Just eat less when you eat.

BTW, if you have a significant amount of weight to lose, then you've likely overeaten at some point in your life and stretched your stomach. My wife had a gastric bypass (I don't recommend this and she did it long before I met her) to drop from 450lbs to 134lbs. Then she gained back to 170 as her stomach stretched back out. She originally had a 28 ounce stomach, they cut it down to 8.

Well, the stomach will stretch and shrink naturally over time based on the volume of food you put in it. If you are eating every three hours, just eat less, go hungry between for a little while and it WILL shrink so that you aren't feeling so hungry.

Here is a sample day for me.

Meal 1: 2 whole eggs, 1 ounce sausage, 2 strips bacon, 2 ounces ham.

Meal 2: 1 can tuna, 2 or 3 tbsp mayo, a cup of lettuce (my own home made olive oil mayo)recipe is published on my web site if you'd like it.

Meal 3: 1 whole chicken leg quarter, 1 cup of green vegetables

Meal 4: 1 can tuna, 2 or 3 tbsp mayo, lettuce.

Meal 5: 8 ounces beef, 1 cup of green vegetables.

I would actually be eating more beef and less tuna except beef is rather expensive.

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:01 AM

Have you played around with IF at all? I know there's a lot of individual variability in how well it works for people, but since you said that you're not all that hungry in the morning anyway, it might be worth skipping breakfast and seeing how that affects your satiety. In my case, if I'm not hungry in the morning and I eat anyway, I'm hungrier throughout the day than I would be otherwise. I've gotten into a rhythm of eating a little something in the early afternoon, and then a really large late dinner, and that seems to work really well for me--satiety is better throughout the day, etc.

Might be worth a shot?

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:08 AM

Hmm. Well, perhaps that's out then. I wouldn't ignore the frequency of meals as a factor in your satiety, though. Eating 5 times a day works for some people, but it sounds like it might not be working for you. Again--just something to play around with.

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:03 AM

I have tried, the hunger just starts a bit sooner.

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on August 05, 2011
at 12:55 AM

Fat is good for you but I think you're body will do a lot better with some variety. Hamburger is good but not as the main substance that you're putting into your body. Doesnt seem like you're eating much for breakfast, that's about what my 6 year old consumes. If u want to keep it low carb, add in the lower carb veggies, but the more the better, and switch up your protein sources. We typically eat a different type of meat each night, for instance in the last week we've had steak, salmon patties, then cut up chicken breasts with my own buffalo sauce recipe, hamburgers with paleo ketchup and a fried egg on top, and tonight we made the pizza muffins with pepperoni. For breakfast we eat a lot of bacon but switch it up with ham and sausage. It's pretty easy to throw in some spinach, onions, peppers, and mushrooms in your eggs. I cook a lot with coconut oil, in fact one of my favorites veggies is sauteed peppers in coconut oil, and I used to not like peppers at all. Broccoli is also a staple in our house.

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:10 AM

I must say I disagree that hamburger would not be good "as the main substance that you're putting in your body." I think it's one of the best candidates for such a substance.

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on August 05, 2011
at 03:53 AM

I don't eat more at breakfast because I generally eat again fairly soon due to scheduling and because I'm not that hungry when I wake up. I'll tend to eat at 7, 11, 3, 6, and 10 and the hunger gets worse over the course of the day with the sugar cravings starting bad around 9ish. I've been low carb in whatever variety for over 6 months.

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on August 05, 2011
at 11:08 AM

I'd recommend trying a week of larger breakfasts with high fat as a trial. See whether it helps.

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(11581)

on August 05, 2011
at 11:07 AM

I'd be concerned also that he could be hungry in part because of running low on some nutrients - adding in some liver at least mixed into the ground beef would probably help with that. And replace the cucumber with a pile of green leaves. Despite that it does seem like adding fat and more protein at the beginning of the day would help a lot.

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on January 25, 2012
at 05:49 PM

It sounds like you might be missing nutrients in your body. I too used to get sugar/carb cravings, particularly at night. I found that supplementing with 5-HTP, L-glutamine and chromium really helped with that. For more information about amino acid supplementation, chech out the book "The Mood Cure" by Julia Ross.

I have also experimented with the GAPS diet to resolve some digestive issues, and find that drinking a large amount of high-fat, gelatinous bone broth really kills my hunger. Perhaps there's a nutrient in the broth that my body is generally low in? I definitely find that if I'm missing a nutrient in my diet I'll get either hungry or have random food cravings until I manage to get enough of whatever nutrient I was missing.

Oh, and I ding that steaks and roasts are far more filling than ground meat. Something about needing to chew perhaps?

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