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Have you heard all the crap about the guy who advertised for the Heart Attack Grill?

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Created March 05, 2011 at 4:56 AM

Did you hear about the spokesman for the Heart Attack Grill in Arizona? He died recently. I have since heard a number of people saying it was all the fat he ate that made him grossly fat, and ultimately killed him.

Here is an edited, slightly modified note from an Arizona newspaper

"People who weigh in at 350 pounds or more eat free at the Heart Attack Grill that specializes in burgers and fries. After the death this week of the grill's 6-foot-8, 575-pound spokesman, two patrons of the Heart Attack Grill in Chandler volunteered to step up on the scale behind the bar and be weighed.

River's death isn't prompting any changes in the restaurant that specializes in thick cheeseburgers, milkshakes and French fries cooked in lard. Friends have been speculating that he died as a result of developing pneumonia after contracting the flu."

Good for his friends. But, I have been hearing "EVIL LARD, FRIES MADE IN EVIL LARD - killed him".

His death, and the lipophobic crap around it may make Paleo a harder sell. He was morbidly obese; and such people die early Any thoughts?

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on March 06, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Good on ya, Mate, good on ya.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 06, 2011
at 05:46 PM

great, great comment, Dana! I am repulsed by this, as you call it, non-sexual pornography, as well.

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on March 06, 2011
at 04:26 PM

"without any DHA in the diet". I likely am at the point where I don't think that grainfed is that bad, but if one is eating stuff like lard and beef fat, one also needs omega 3 fats to turn off the omega 6-derived eicosanoids and keep inflammation at an optimal level. A lot of the literature that seems to implicate animal fats is not actually implicating fats by the disequilibrium of tissue polyunsaturated fats. Thus we eat brains and fish. And if you are doing that I can't see grainfed being a big deal, although not optimal and possibly adverse for people with bad. autoimmune conditions

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 06, 2011
at 03:10 PM

most lard available in stores sadly is still hydrogenated.....so we need to help people realize their is a difference

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 06, 2011
at 03:10 PM

I agree.....its not paleo and it wont matter. We all need to remember the Pareto principle. focus on the 20% who will make up the power of the movement. The movement is very large and growing because outcomes are there. Taubes is what I call a funneler.....the more people read the more they will wind up here or Sisson or Wolf sites and reading the blogs we all know. the only guy I am not totally into is Cordain because of his stance on Sat fats. I think he is trying to back track from his original book stance. And his orginal stance was not scientific but based on profit in my opinion

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 06, 2011
at 03:06 PM

Taubes books are turning points not tipping points. Taubes will be on Dr Oz Tomorrow......I suggest everyone watch it because the grapevine is saying Oz is beginning to flip and is admitting to his collegues at Columbia he is Low carb and now closer to paleo. I have a good friend who is a CV surgeon there and he says Oz thinking is really changing. Problem is the food industry is payingfor his advertising so he has a catch 22 situation. We will see who he chooses.

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on March 06, 2011
at 12:23 PM

If I ate lard and grainfed burgers without any DHA I would have a heart attack too. --- Seriously? I do eat lard and grainfed groundbeef. I hope what you are saying is just unsubstantiated talk. I thought "we" were at a point that grainfed beef is not that bad.

1f96ce108240f19345c05704c7709dad

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on March 05, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Everyone, including Dana, should read Gary Taubes' "How We Get Fat". He talks about "blaming" people for being fat (nutritionists); undernourished, obese mothers with undernourished, skinny children, adults can gain weight genetically; a 250 lb man walking up 20 flights of stairs uses a paltry 20 calories (1/4 of one slice of whole wheat bread). But, even Dr Oz on TV knows exercise does make us loss weight. We may even “work up an appetite”, and eat more than we would have without it. I can't wait (weight) til I get to "What to Do About It". I have 15 lbs to loss.

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on March 05, 2011
at 03:49 PM

as an aside, i suspect that the restaurant wasnt using very good lard, and probably that transfat stuff that passes for lard. i wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole.

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on March 05, 2011
at 03:44 PM

Yeah, there's already enough of a groundswell against meats and saturated fats. One lard-eater is a drop in the bucket. Now if Loren Cordain had a quadruple bypass, that might be a few drops in the bucket...

29686e6867f73a7deee8bf0578cb2107

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on March 05, 2011
at 03:29 PM

But that was a righteous rant! :)

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on March 05, 2011
at 10:38 AM

It will probably make the restarant even more popular. As they say - No such thing as bad publicity. Heck, if I'm ever in Arizona...

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on March 05, 2011
at 08:36 AM

Kamal, this news item is not about someone Paleo in the first place. Why so much hullabaloo, Just Eating fries made in Lard doesnt make anyone Paleo.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 05, 2011
at 07:46 AM

I don't think the intended target audience reads Paleohacks :(

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at 07:35 AM

I don't think the intended target audience reads Paleohacks.

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F9a0b72f38860d7601afd5a45bb53394

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on March 05, 2011
at 06:13 AM

The following is a rant, and every time I say "you," don't take it as "you" personally, take it as addressing "you" in general...

What am I supposed to think? People have turned obesity into a particularly perverse brand of pornography. They make the shape of someone else's body their business and they get titillated over every little report they hear about some total stranger's dietary habits. And say that fat people are sick. I say they are sick, and even more so, and in a way not immediately visible to the naked eye.

Yeah, wring your hands about how unhealthy it is. I hope you're packing up to go to a Third World country to singlehandedly cure them of cholera, malaria, TB, and AIDS. If it's really about other people's health then there are people who need a lot more help a lot sooner than people who are fat and might die in ten years or twenty--or live to a ripe old age.

In short? Someone else's weight is none of your business.

I know, I know, you might have to pay for something for them out of your tax dollars. And you pay with your tax dollars for police assistance for people who leave their homes unlocked and are therefore burglarized. You pay tax dollars for people who fall asleep with cigarettes in their mouths and require the services of the fire department. You pay for drunk drivers. You pay for people who beat their kids. You pay for a helium reserve somewhere out West. You pay for every two-bit little war we fight to keep gasoline cheap so you can drive your Hummer for another year. Why it matters that you might pay for a fat person but not that you pay for these other people, I wish I knew.

If there were no slender people dropping dead of heart attacks or strokes or type 2 diabetes then maybe I'd care. I'm overweight myself, I've been struggling with my weight for years. Obesity sucks. But so does every other disability or disadvantage that we give ourselves by making bad choices. And we do that kind of thing a LOT. The point is that obesity is a symptom of a whole lot of other things being wrong. You might come down with it from making bad choices and you might not, just like some people with a cold get sore throats and others don't. I was making bad choices when I got fat, but I also first went on the Pill and then had two kids. Had I not put myself through major hormonal changes I might have coasted on the bad choices for a very long time. Just like lots and lots of skinny people do today in the developed world, giving themselves chronic disease by eating crap.

Get rid of the sodas and buns and sugary sauces at the Heart Attack Cafe and put a bunch of healthy people in there to eat every day for a year, testing their health before they start and then again after a year in which they've had every meal there--and we'll see just how unhealthy it is. I have my suspicions. Some of them might even get away with the French fries.

But right now who's wanting to eat the burgers? People who already are not health conscious, because people who are health conscious usually believe that beef and cheese and fried foods are bad for them. And unfortunately the ones who don't give a rip about their health eat demonstrable junk along with the beef and the cheese. But here we have this nice little in-between group that at least eats the meat, even as the people in the group argue amongst themselves about whether cheese is a good idea. It will be instructive to see who comes out better in the end between multi-decade Paleos and people who insist on believing that animal foods will kill them.

And meanwhile? If all you're gonna do is handwring about fat people and monitor their every bite, you could at least pass some useful info on to them. You would be amazed how many of them are trying to lose weight, don't know how to do it properly for their health situation, and give up every now and again only to try again later. Not that I would be speaking from experience or anything. They're not stupid. Gaining weight does not lose you IQ points.

It may be that they won't listen to you. In that case sometimes people just have to fall on their faces a few times before they finally grok. (Pun intended.) But you never know til you ask, and it's got to do more good for 'em to give them good advice than it is to make non-sexual pornography out of them (if that makes any sense) and make fun of them and cast aspersions on their character and so on. If making fat people into second-class citizens and mocking them really helped a whole lot of people lose weight, we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic in this country because mocking the fat is quite the time-honored tradition here.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 05, 2011
at 07:46 AM

I don't think the intended target audience reads Paleohacks :(

29686e6867f73a7deee8bf0578cb2107

(68)

on March 05, 2011
at 03:29 PM

But that was a righteous rant! :)

1f96ce108240f19345c05704c7709dad

(1061)

on March 05, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Everyone, including Dana, should read Gary Taubes' "How We Get Fat". He talks about "blaming" people for being fat (nutritionists); undernourished, obese mothers with undernourished, skinny children, adults can gain weight genetically; a 250 lb man walking up 20 flights of stairs uses a paltry 20 calories (1/4 of one slice of whole wheat bread). But, even Dr Oz on TV knows exercise does make us loss weight. We may even “work up an appetite”, and eat more than we would have without it. I can't wait (weight) til I get to "What to Do About It". I have 15 lbs to loss.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 05, 2011
at 07:35 AM

I don't think the intended target audience reads Paleohacks.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 06, 2011
at 05:46 PM

great, great comment, Dana! I am repulsed by this, as you call it, non-sexual pornography, as well.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 06, 2011
at 03:06 PM

Taubes books are turning points not tipping points. Taubes will be on Dr Oz Tomorrow......I suggest everyone watch it because the grapevine is saying Oz is beginning to flip and is admitting to his collegues at Columbia he is Low carb and now closer to paleo. I have a good friend who is a CV surgeon there and he says Oz thinking is really changing. Problem is the food industry is payingfor his advertising so he has a catch 22 situation. We will see who he chooses.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 06, 2011
at 03:03 PM

Melissa it wont matter.......people are doing this in record numbers. The key to getting to a tipping point is clinicians. Once they flip then you will see a dramtic shift. I can tell you in my hospital some amazing things have occured. They asked me to construct a paleo diet for patients that I order on my cases. The cafeteria has taken oatmeal and grits off the breakfast menu because of all the talks I have given to the nurses and hospital employees. Every Sat morning I take groups of four shopping to teach them how health starts at the market. It will change no matter what this says!

1f96ce108240f19345c05704c7709dad

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on March 06, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Good on ya, Mate, good on ya.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 06, 2011
at 12:40 AM

The thing about these people is that they have no DHA in their diets. If I ate lard and grainfed burgers without any DHA I would have a heart attack too. Soda and wheat make everything worse of course.

Usually what I say in response to this stuff is that just because something fits, doesn't mean that it is the only explanation. The fallacy is called affirming the consequent. It goes If P then Q, therefore if Q then P. If fat kills you dead then bubba who eats fat will die. Bubba died, therefore it was the fat that did it. Fallacious because there are many ways to getto Q. If fire, then smoke. Smoke, therefore fire? No, what about smoke machines that illusionists use?

Illusionism indeed.

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on March 06, 2011
at 12:23 PM

If I ate lard and grainfed burgers without any DHA I would have a heart attack too. --- Seriously? I do eat lard and grainfed groundbeef. I hope what you are saying is just unsubstantiated talk. I thought "we" were at a point that grainfed beef is not that bad.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on March 06, 2011
at 04:26 PM

"without any DHA in the diet". I likely am at the point where I don't think that grainfed is that bad, but if one is eating stuff like lard and beef fat, one also needs omega 3 fats to turn off the omega 6-derived eicosanoids and keep inflammation at an optimal level. A lot of the literature that seems to implicate animal fats is not actually implicating fats by the disequilibrium of tissue polyunsaturated fats. Thus we eat brains and fish. And if you are doing that I can't see grainfed being a big deal, although not optimal and possibly adverse for people with bad. autoimmune conditions

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21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 05, 2011
at 07:46 AM

I don't think single news bites will affect the trajectory of paleo.

Positive things that could change it include the spread of crossfit, the success of books by Wolf/Sisson/etc, paleo websites, paleo success stories, and the spread of new epidemiological research.

Negative things that could change it include the continued dominance of Monsanto/PepsiCo/Unilever, as well as the 2010-2011 food price crisis.

I spend all my time reading paleo stuff and all my money on paleo groceries. That is simply not possible for many people!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 05, 2011
at 03:44 PM

Yeah, there's already enough of a groundswell against meats and saturated fats. One lard-eater is a drop in the bucket. Now if Loren Cordain had a quadruple bypass, that might be a few drops in the bucket...

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 06, 2011
at 03:10 PM

I agree.....its not paleo and it wont matter. We all need to remember the Pareto principle. focus on the 20% who will make up the power of the movement. The movement is very large and growing because outcomes are there. Taubes is what I call a funneler.....the more people read the more they will wind up here or Sisson or Wolf sites and reading the blogs we all know. the only guy I am not totally into is Cordain because of his stance on Sat fats. I think he is trying to back track from his original book stance. And his orginal stance was not scientific but based on profit in my opinion

A089b683ee0498f2b21b7edfa300e405

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on March 05, 2011
at 08:36 AM

Kamal, this news item is not about someone Paleo in the first place. Why so much hullabaloo, Just Eating fries made in Lard doesnt make anyone Paleo.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 06, 2011
at 03:10 PM

most lard available in stores sadly is still hydrogenated.....so we need to help people realize their is a difference

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on March 06, 2011
at 10:36 PM

With out going off topic while trying to keep on topic.

I've learned to let the world do as they must. I lost 135lbs in a year living the Paleo lifestyle, i'm the healthiest I've ever been. So when I see that fats make you fat, or eating meat will give you a heart attack and etc. I just have a good chuckle. I have dear friends who need to lose weight and they buy into conventional wisdom, of low fat, grains etc. I have come to peace with knowing that I live an enlightening lifestyle. I was not chosen to save mankind from eating bad foods.

I do feel your anger once in a while, but remember when you're 80 and eating steak and living a great life and all the low fat, grains people are on insulin pumps you'll know you made the right choice.

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