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Grass Fed Tallow or Coconut oil on a budget, (Dr.RonRosedale/JonGabriel) Lower leptin levels to lose fat, & Sugar cravings while low carb

Answered on November 10, 2013
Created July 20, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Hi I'm 19 obese male, 230 pounds. I just have a few questions I would like answered based on your own experience and knowledge.

1.) Is it better for me to buy mainly grass fed tallow or cold pressed coconut oil? I am on a budget now and so I have to stop spending so much in the fat buying category. Tallow helps me feel full longer but coconut oil has all those lauric acid benefits, but what is better for fat loss? I have no problem digesting fats, I'm at 230 pounds and I've been doing paleo for 2 years with no drastic changes like most of the people on paleo I see. I feel like the failed paleo dude.

  1. How do you lower your leptin levels? I was reading things by Dr. Ron Rose dale, but I don't think I'm quite getting anything. I tried Jon Gabriel method but I don't want to go back to eating anything and everything. No grains is def. better for me. Or is it not important and should I just focus on something else?

  2. I tried to get on my paleo high horse and try the crockpot grass fed beef stew's I hear everyone raving about, but it only causes me to have irregular heart beats and feel weird. Does that happen to you guys at all?

  3. How do you combat your sugar cravings? If I try to go low carb which I know will work for me, I crave sugars and I end up binging on crap. For some reason I'm too afraid of eating lots of starches, because I fear I will gain weight. is 2 medium sweet potatoes a day considered high carb? I managed to drink only water and homemade tea's now so I'm glad I don't crave liquid drinks anymore, It only makes me crash when I drink sugar waters.

I already take liquid magnesium,chromium, and zinc, and the cravings still come in the form of wanting to eat to eat ice creams and stuff like that.

Thank you for reading.

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Okay I'll try to exercise, I sound just like your husband actually except I just sit in a chair all day on the computer. No walking either. Every time I try eating white rice with a slab of butter it taste so good, but I just gotta ration it off to 1/2-1 cup. I'll check out The book Perfect Health Diet for me and my grandma. Thank you. I'm thinking some starches + exercise & HIIT= fast fat loss and good habits rather than really low carb, no exercise, & dealing with cravings and temptations lol.

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on July 22, 2013
at 08:30 PM

Also -- 3rd note: Binging and cheating with bad foods will ultimately be much more harmful than sorting out carbs and adding a few starches from natural foods like rice or sweet potatoes. Two medium sweet potatoes is not terribly much. Certainly much better than any artificial junk foods, which are likely chemically terrible for weight loss. (Artificial junk foods or processed foods correlate as or more directly withvoverall health , it seems, as duration of sedentariness.)

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on July 22, 2013
at 08:26 PM

Also second the white rice -- White rice is supposedly a safer starch & has helped with eating Paleo for a mid-/higher-carber (friend)

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on July 22, 2013
at 08:24 PM

Second the high intensity exercise. Also, correlation to I'll health generally looks pretty direct based on the duration of sedentariness. E.g., Stand up and move around, do a few air squats, etc. every 15-45 minutes for 1-5 minutes. Try a standing desk, and try walking more frequently. Long periods of sedentariness and poor structure ("posture") are quite harmful, too. One option to correct form is proper-form weight training (Yates rows, squats, overhead press, Romanian deadlifts) with a heavy enough weight to be ~7 rep. max. General movement/not sitting/correcting spine/carrying things.

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on July 21, 2013
at 04:10 AM

Yup, you must do exercise to get muscle tone and strength. A small of amount of white rice with butter is what I usually eat, too. I use a cast iron skillet to cook ground beef, crockpot to make stews, a George foreman style grill for burgers. The only time I like beef fat is when I add it to beef stews if the meat is too lean. Then it adds flavor.

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on July 20, 2013
at 05:13 PM

There should be effectively no difference in your acute physical response to grass-fed vs. conventional meat, so it's really weird that the beef would give you an irregular heartbeat. Was there anything else different about that stew vs. the meat you were eating before?

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on July 20, 2013
at 04:32 PM

Thank you :D. This helps a lot and it is better than the answer came from a mother with a family who is used to cooking and all the sort. I know how coconut oil is much easier to apply, doesn't smell bad like tallow and doesn't really mess up when cleaning the dishes lol, beef fat is horrible, it doesn't want to wash off. I wanted to know what type of cookware do you use? I use cheap stainless steel but I find that majority of the foods I use with it stick to the pans.

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on July 20, 2013
at 04:23 PM

When I started Paleo a year ago, I had awful cravings for cookies, chips, etc. Then I read the Perfect Health Diet and started eating 1/2 - 1 cup of white rice with lunch and dinner and my cravings are mostly gone. I also do IF most days. Breakfast for me is usually either coffee or green tea with lots of coconut cream and a little Stevia.

As for beef tallow v. Cocnut oil, I don't like the taste of beef tallow so prefer to stick to coco oil. I buy some grass fed beef, such as ground beef, to make into taco meat, chili, burger patties, etc. But for stews and stroganoff, I usually buy conventional since I have to feed a family of enthusiastic eaters. I'd be in the poorhouse.

As for really losing fat and gaining muscle, I feel that diet is really important in the beginning but within a few months, you really need to incorporate daily exercise and HIIT a couple of times per week. My hubby and I eat the same diet but I exercise while he really doesn't do much more than walk a few days a week. Also he sits at a desk ~50 hours per week and loves to watch tv when he's home. That's a very sedentary lifestyle. I have no problems maintaing my weight and muscle tone while he has big fluctuations, based on what he eats every week.

Hope that helps and good luck on your journey. Slowly moving toward better health is still a lot better than going the other way. Keep the faith.

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on July 22, 2013
at 08:30 PM

Also -- 3rd note: Binging and cheating with bad foods will ultimately be much more harmful than sorting out carbs and adding a few starches from natural foods like rice or sweet potatoes. Two medium sweet potatoes is not terribly much. Certainly much better than any artificial junk foods, which are likely chemically terrible for weight loss. (Artificial junk foods or processed foods correlate as or more directly withvoverall health , it seems, as duration of sedentariness.)

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on July 21, 2013
at 04:10 AM

Yup, you must do exercise to get muscle tone and strength. A small of amount of white rice with butter is what I usually eat, too. I use a cast iron skillet to cook ground beef, crockpot to make stews, a George foreman style grill for burgers. The only time I like beef fat is when I add it to beef stews if the meat is too lean. Then it adds flavor.

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

(529)

on July 22, 2013
at 08:24 PM

Second the high intensity exercise. Also, correlation to I'll health generally looks pretty direct based on the duration of sedentariness. E.g., Stand up and move around, do a few air squats, etc. every 15-45 minutes for 1-5 minutes. Try a standing desk, and try walking more frequently. Long periods of sedentariness and poor structure ("posture") are quite harmful, too. One option to correct form is proper-form weight training (Yates rows, squats, overhead press, Romanian deadlifts) with a heavy enough weight to be ~7 rep. max. General movement/not sitting/correcting spine/carrying things.

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

(529)

on July 22, 2013
at 08:26 PM

Also second the white rice -- White rice is supposedly a safer starch & has helped with eating Paleo for a mid-/higher-carber (friend)

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Okay I'll try to exercise, I sound just like your husband actually except I just sit in a chair all day on the computer. No walking either. Every time I try eating white rice with a slab of butter it taste so good, but I just gotta ration it off to 1/2-1 cup. I'll check out The book Perfect Health Diet for me and my grandma. Thank you. I'm thinking some starches + exercise & HIIT= fast fat loss and good habits rather than really low carb, no exercise, & dealing with cravings and temptations lol.

0f876b4ace079100ba362465a46bd5b9

(10)

on July 20, 2013
at 04:32 PM

Thank you :D. This helps a lot and it is better than the answer came from a mother with a family who is used to cooking and all the sort. I know how coconut oil is much easier to apply, doesn't smell bad like tallow and doesn't really mess up when cleaning the dishes lol, beef fat is horrible, it doesn't want to wash off. I wanted to know what type of cookware do you use? I use cheap stainless steel but I find that majority of the foods I use with it stick to the pans.

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on November 10, 2013
at 03:19 PM

One other thing: sugar cravings can be caused by Candida albicans (yeast overgrowth in our GI tract) - and so can alcoholism. Yes, that microbe can turn a person into an alcoholic by constantly fermenting the sugars we eat, which translates into a constant supply of alcohol.

My bet is, you have Candida albicans. One way to deal with it, on a budget or otherwise, is baking soda. I take about 1 soup spoon in a cup of water twice daily for four days, and repeat it once daily for another two weeks. Candida is _not_ to be taken lightly. It can release masses of toxins, convert into a fungus, and is known to participate in the development of cancers. If you happen to have root canal treated teeth and want to live healthy, I would have them removed, and you will be the Paleo Success Dude. I am serious.

Do your own research.

Good luck!

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on November 10, 2013
at 03:10 PM

@KingB

Stay away from carbos. My guess is you have mercury toxicity. See noamalgam.com for cure. And stay away from carbos, sugars, and starches. Watch your protein. When I have sugar cravings, I binge on fats.

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on July 22, 2013
at 04:12 AM

I agree with AxialGentleman over here - Don't be afraid to try anything new! Check out this link: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/#axzz2ZkBxEN4S

Here you might find why is paleo not fully working for you, since it adresses many other life aspects apart from food. Things like Sleep or Play that many people don't even think about.

And dont worry about being the failed paleo dude, I'm there too. Currently into a whole30, to see if anything changes.

Good Luck!

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on July 20, 2013
at 05:21 PM

Don't be afraid of eating too much starch. Don't be afraid of anything! Be curious. Find out. Try eating more carbs, especially after exercising, for a week or two. You'll find out whether you feel better and have fewer cravings. If you start gaining weight, you can always stop.

There should be effectively no difference between your acute responses to grass-fed vs. CAFO (factory-farmed) meat. Was there anything else different about the beef stew you made, vs. the meat you were eating before?

Coconut oil is highly saturated, which makes it more resistant to high heat and processing than other plant oils. There are probably some benefits to less-refined coconut oil, but if you have to do triage on your diet, I'd say to buy the cheaper stuff.

Finally, remember that paleo is about more than what you eat. Are you getting enough sleep? Are you getting at least a little physical activity every day? Is your job making you sick with stress and deadline pressure? Those things can all activate carb cravings as well as hurting your overall health and (possibly) encouraging fat storage.

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