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Is eating too much fat counterproductive when you're trying to lose weight on the Primal/Paleo diet? I usually add butter, lard or coconut oil to everything I cook, plus I eat a couple handfuls of nuts at night. I'm not losing weight

86c97b2779feab3c330f5e1c5fea7e25

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on April 23, 2013
at 08:57 PM

I believe that, by what this user said in the question, he needs to just count calories at this point. He is talking about adding fat and nuts to meals which can quickly boost you way higher than you think. He has over 3k rep so I figured he knows all about "n=1" and everything that is always talked about on here. I appreciate the feedback though (downvote, no so much) =)

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on April 23, 2013
at 07:56 PM

Desmond, if there's anything that the science tells us, it's that weight management is NOT a simple CICO calculation. Your body has preferences for what it does with different macronutrients, and the paleo diet itself rests on that observation. I'm not saying that calories don't matter, just that weight management has more to do with the hormones controlling how your body handles food than the amount you eat.

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on April 20, 2013
at 09:18 AM

Yes, if you have ever hunted nuts as a child as we did from trees you obtain a very small stash for a huge effort. Our ancestors would never have had a lot of nuts. It would be like honey you find once in a blue moon - very rare. Same with fruit.

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on April 19, 2013
at 09:18 PM

If you are losing, you are doing well. Don't try to lose weight too rapidly - the more you can do it by incorporating small changes to your healthy diet, the better you will be able to maintain your weight loss. Good luck! Cutting out the nuts is a good idea if you are getting good fats from other sources, I'd think.

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on April 19, 2013
at 05:57 PM

This is ridiculous. There's also no evolutionary sense in acquiring some sort of metabolic advantage by drinking tons of water. Once an hour is a lot.

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on April 19, 2013
at 04:14 PM

Sorry, but for me that's just not true and I have decades of experience. Drinking a ton of water just makes me pee more and more often. If anything, it screws with my metabolic balance and I'm more apt to suffer crashes and cravings. I do much better with lots of high-moisture foods and moderate liquids.

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on April 19, 2013
at 03:33 PM

If this worked as well as you said, after this many yers of soo much water, I should be about 90 pounds by now. :(

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on April 19, 2013
at 02:54 PM

Google "Daily calorie calculator" and try a few of those out. Should give you a good idea of where your daily calories should be. I'm 5'11", <180lbs and am working up to 3000 cal to put ON weight. You might need to shoot closer to 2000 depending on your activity level

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on April 19, 2013
at 02:14 PM

There's your problem. I'm 6' and eat no where near 3000 calories.

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on April 19, 2013
at 01:18 PM

My name is Alvaro and I'm a shoveler. Note I avoided the word "nut", it made it sound gay :)

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on April 19, 2013
at 01:15 PM

I think I'm eating about 3000 a day, I'm 6' 230 lbs 39 yo

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on April 19, 2013
at 01:11 PM

Great answer Nance, your diet sounds almost exactly as mine. I want to lose 40 lbs. of fat. I'm losing weight, just not at the rate I want to.

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on April 19, 2013
at 01:06 PM

I drink about a gallon of water a day, pee every hour and sweat like a whore in church. Still not losing weight

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on April 19, 2013
at 01:04 PM

I hear you.....

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on April 13, 2013
at 12:51 PM

I'm not the one who downvoted this answer, but someone's clearly on the wrong forum. :)

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on April 13, 2013
at 12:50 PM

Not so sure about this. I've never peed fat, myself.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on April 13, 2013
at 12:49 PM

As a former nut-shoveler, yeah. Greymouser has it right.

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on April 13, 2013
at 12:43 PM

I partly agree but don't think cracking something makes it non-Paleolithic. If bones were cracked, certainly shellfish and nuts were cracked too, especially where they were abundant. We may not have squirrel jaws and teeth but we have hands and rocks.

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on April 12, 2013
at 06:00 PM

There's probably 500 calories in a couple handfuls of nuts. As much as a small meal. Nuts are extremely calorie dense.

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on April 12, 2013
at 11:39 AM

When it comes to losing weight, the math still needs to work out - it doesn't matter if the fat comes from an avocado or nuts. However, avocados are more satiating, and nuts more prone to shoveling. ;-) Even better, stick with reasonable amounts for cooking and drop any "snack foods" while in weight loss mode.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on April 12, 2013
at 04:03 PM

One important factor is how much fat you wish to lose. If you have 10 lbs or less to lose, we're talking a very gradual redistribution of your weight from fat to muscle and long term success is more likely if you take your time and do it right.

I eat at least as much fat as you described, but I have 30 lbs or more of excess fat remaining so I'm steadily losing weight despite the fat and generous intake of protein and starch plus lots and lots of low-carb vegetables and fruits. I can see a difference and feel a little more lost fat every week or two.

As I get closer to my desired weight, my rate of fat loss will get slower and slower and at some point I'll have to look at whether I'm willing to decrease my portions or stay at the weight my typical eating pattern supports.

If you decide to trim your portions, make sure you decrease all your portions. Looking at just the fat, or just the tubers, or just the fruit is the best way I know to create strong cravings that will make it very hard to control your portions. You can still have nuts, but just have half-two thirds of what you've been having.

Fix the same meals/snacks you have been, but have a little less of everything. If you're able to settle comfortably for the smaller portions you'll probably lose a little weight. Not right away, necessarily, but every 2 or 3 weeks you'll see a difference.

Every now and then, have a larger meal than usual to avoid having your body think you're starving--that'll send you into weight-preservation mode.

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

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on April 19, 2013
at 09:18 PM

If you are losing, you are doing well. Don't try to lose weight too rapidly - the more you can do it by incorporating small changes to your healthy diet, the better you will be able to maintain your weight loss. Good luck! Cutting out the nuts is a good idea if you are getting good fats from other sources, I'd think.

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on April 19, 2013
at 01:11 PM

Great answer Nance, your diet sounds almost exactly as mine. I want to lose 40 lbs. of fat. I'm losing weight, just not at the rate I want to.

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86c97b2779feab3c330f5e1c5fea7e25

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on April 12, 2013
at 03:23 PM

CALORIES IN vs CALORIES OUT. If you eat more cal than you expend, you will gain weight. Less and you will lose weight. That's all weight loss is.

Use an app (LoseIt or MyFitnessPal are both good) to track. Paleo is known not to track cal, but if you want to lose weight, track at least for a few weeks.

8f2d9842fdfec224a425c0f77c4ee34d

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on April 19, 2013
at 02:14 PM

There's your problem. I'm 6' and eat no where near 3000 calories.

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(3213)

on April 19, 2013
at 01:15 PM

I think I'm eating about 3000 a day, I'm 6' 230 lbs 39 yo

86c97b2779feab3c330f5e1c5fea7e25

(2312)

on April 19, 2013
at 02:54 PM

Google "Daily calorie calculator" and try a few of those out. Should give you a good idea of where your daily calories should be. I'm 5'11", <180lbs and am working up to 3000 cal to put ON weight. You might need to shoot closer to 2000 depending on your activity level

00cd3b6f51530a6832fcda1712edbec3

(2411)

on April 23, 2013
at 07:56 PM

Desmond, if there's anything that the science tells us, it's that weight management is NOT a simple CICO calculation. Your body has preferences for what it does with different macronutrients, and the paleo diet itself rests on that observation. I'm not saying that calories don't matter, just that weight management has more to do with the hormones controlling how your body handles food than the amount you eat.

86c97b2779feab3c330f5e1c5fea7e25

(2312)

on April 23, 2013
at 08:57 PM

I believe that, by what this user said in the question, he needs to just count calories at this point. He is talking about adding fat and nuts to meals which can quickly boost you way higher than you think. He has over 3k rep so I figured he knows all about "n=1" and everything that is always talked about on here. I appreciate the feedback though (downvote, no so much) =)

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on April 12, 2013
at 03:12 PM

Yes, you can eat too much fat. Fat has calories, and if you eat too much, it will affect weightloss. You should use cronometer or paleotrack to track your fats and resulting calories. I do use fat and butter, and there's nothing wrong with fats, but I try to not go crazy adding it so much as not go crazy removing it. I try to enjoy it where it's naturally showing up.

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6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

on April 13, 2013
at 08:01 AM

I ate about 1000 calories of nuts and raisins in one go yesterday. No wonder I don't lose weight. So yes nuts are fattening and as said above in the wild as it were you would never have massive quantities. I remember looking for nuts on trees as a child and we never found more than a few sweet chestnuts at one go.

if you want to lose weight perhaps exclude all nuts and dried fruit as for many of us eating a few is impossible. If they are there we will eat them all.

I don't think good fats are bad, but if you take in more calories than you expend you will put on weight (something in which I specialise on the paleo diet as my body whatever I eat manages to push me towards excess calories sadly)

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on April 19, 2013
at 01:04 PM

I hear you.....

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on April 12, 2013
at 05:30 AM

I think you have answered why you are not losing weight. Can you cut the nuts at night and maybe pull back on how much you are cooking with and see how it goes? Also you can get your fat in other areas such as avocado which might help.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 12, 2013
at 11:39 AM

When it comes to losing weight, the math still needs to work out - it doesn't matter if the fat comes from an avocado or nuts. However, avocados are more satiating, and nuts more prone to shoveling. ;-) Even better, stick with reasonable amounts for cooking and drop any "snack foods" while in weight loss mode.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on April 13, 2013
at 12:49 PM

As a former nut-shoveler, yeah. Greymouser has it right.

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(3213)

on April 19, 2013
at 01:18 PM

My name is Alvaro and I'm a shoveler. Note I avoided the word "nut", it made it sound gay :)

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on April 12, 2013
at 11:14 PM

Fat leaves your body through urine, pooh and a sweat. When you drink enough water to pee every hour you will notice a big change in your appetite and your weight loss. If you drink warm lemon water in the morning, add a little apple cider vinegar to your water throughout the day, and drink chamomile tea at dinner or shortly after you will notice a huge difference! Also, a really good probiotic is priceless!!!

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on April 13, 2013
at 12:50 PM

Not so sure about this. I've never peed fat, myself.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on April 19, 2013
at 04:14 PM

Sorry, but for me that's just not true and I have decades of experience. Drinking a ton of water just makes me pee more and more often. If anything, it screws with my metabolic balance and I'm more apt to suffer crashes and cravings. I do much better with lots of high-moisture foods and moderate liquids.

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on April 19, 2013
at 01:06 PM

I drink about a gallon of water a day, pee every hour and sweat like a whore in church. Still not losing weight

Cceda01c6e1aefb1ca7f1aa5653cba2a

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on April 19, 2013
at 03:33 PM

If this worked as well as you said, after this many yers of soo much water, I should be about 90 pounds by now. :(

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

(431)

on April 19, 2013
at 05:57 PM

This is ridiculous. There's also no evolutionary sense in acquiring some sort of metabolic advantage by drinking tons of water. Once an hour is a lot.

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on April 12, 2013
at 03:55 PM

In addition to high calories, the oils in nuts are pro-inflammatory, which seems to correlate highly with being overweight in the first place. Eat some seafood instead. I ate a lot of fat while I was losing weight, but I also kept my calorie intake at around 1500 calories a day.

I think the more sensible approach is to attempt to do this 'unweighed, unmeasured paleo' thing. I suspect the body eventually gets it right. Technically, nuts are a processed food because in the Paleolithic we'd have to expend a lot of energy to get even a handful out of their shells. So we can have a snack that might consist of far more than one Paleolithic dude would see in a week.

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on April 13, 2013
at 12:43 PM

I partly agree but don't think cracking something makes it non-Paleolithic. If bones were cracked, certainly shellfish and nuts were cracked too, especially where they were abundant. We may not have squirrel jaws and teeth but we have hands and rocks.

6fece842bd1bcf5724f458a302a2156e

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on April 20, 2013
at 09:18 AM

Yes, if you have ever hunted nuts as a child as we did from trees you obtain a very small stash for a huge effort. Our ancestors would never have had a lot of nuts. It would be like honey you find once in a blue moon - very rare. Same with fruit.

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on April 19, 2013
at 06:45 PM

@ the "Calories In vs. Calories Out" comment.

Fat loss, contrary to popular belief, is not based strictly on the laws of thermodynamics. In short, fat accumulation and retention is primarily affected by insulin and hormones. When your insulin levels are elevated, it essentially triggers the body to hold on to it's stored fat and to take in more where it can. Insulin secretion varies from each person, but is primarily based on the the glycemic index of foods and the body's sensitivity. Thus, to lose weight, it is imperative to keep your blood sugar levels to a minimum.

Give Taubes'"Why We Get Fat" book a read. It explains everything in much more detail.

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Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

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on April 19, 2013
at 06:02 PM

I do better not adding much fat- I don't have too much extra weight, so that might be part of it, but I definitely try to consume fats as part of whole foods (like meat) rather than adding a significant amount of oil. It gives you more margin for error- yes, I do lose weight quickly on a ketogenic diet, but I'm miserable with what I'm eating and its not sustainable.

Unfortunate, but I console myself by remembering that really, oil and butter are Neolithic luxuries.

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on April 13, 2013
at 02:04 AM

Other than the nuts all the fat you listed is saturated. That IS counterproductive. You can eat healthy fats which are easy for your body to break down and utilize as energy. Fats that are contained in raw almonds and almond butter, avocado, and coconut oil are good examples. Lard and butter are difficult to digest and raises blood cholesterol levels. I woudl invite you to witch to vegetable oil for cooking, and stop with the saturated fats unless they are attached to a quality piece of protein you are consuming.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on April 13, 2013
at 12:51 PM

I'm not the one who downvoted this answer, but someone's clearly on the wrong forum. :)

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