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Fat fast vs. water fast for maximum (body)fat loss?

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Created April 29, 2011 at 7:23 AM

I've read explanations of how fats, especially butter and coconut oil, send signals to your body to begin lipolysis and expedite the fat burning process. I'm wondering whether ingesting some small amounts of fat during a fasting period will cause the body to lose more body fat even though you'd be taking in more calories compared with a water fast.

I'm currently doing 16/8 IF almost daily eating a late lunch then a PWO dinner, but if the above reasoning is plausible I might think about adding just butter/cream/coconut oil for breakfast. Would a ~500 calorie pure fat, zero carb/protein meal for breakfast make me lose body fat quicker even though I'd be consuming 500 extra calories on top of my normal daily caloric intake?

If in fact one does lose more weight taking in more calories then that would also be a good contradictory example against calories in/calories hypothesis.

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at 12:20 AM

This is the one that I began with! It satisfied the geeky part of me. It 'worked' pretty well but as I learned more about it I ended up reading Good Calories Bad Calories and everything changed. Then I tweaked that further to go paleo.

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on April 29, 2011
at 08:46 PM

I am in ketosis. Leslie Fife and I are doing a 24 hour fast right now and I am in Ketosis. I had 2 TBS of coconut oil today. She said that she was going to do 5 - 6 during the fast. I just have been busy. Maybe I will go have another now, since it will be a good hour plus until I eat.

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on April 29, 2011
at 07:10 PM

If I understand him correctly, if you are accustomed to the taste in a meal or snacking context it would not work. That's why I suggested MCT oil. I tried it when I was experimenting with ketagenic variables. IMO, it tastes like what I imagine motor oil might taste like.

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on April 29, 2011
at 05:59 PM

Ya, my lunch is accompanied by coconut oil with green tea just for that reason, and I am in ketosis during the day (maybe not after some dinners where I eat a lot of starches). But would adding even more in the morning provide even more of a benefit?

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on April 29, 2011
at 05:53 PM

I follow Seth's blog, but I haven't read the book. I'm not going to use olive oil, but if I use butter/cream/coconut oil which I do consider (tasty, tasty) sustenance if it'd provoke the same desired effect. I'm unclear on his hypothesis, if it tastes good does it still count?

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at 05:49 PM

I listened to that podcast, and the previous one that Mat was on. The reason he is doing the fat breakfast is out of convenience because he wanted to stop eating such a massive lunch/dinner needed on an IF to meet caloric needs and not under-eat. This way he is able to spread out the calories more throughout the day, and yes, keep the benefits of autophagy. But, I don't know how it compares to water fasts, especially seeing as he is lean and not wanting to lose any weight. Thanks for the response though!

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on April 29, 2011
at 03:33 PM

Thank you for this link. I'm totally nerding out today.

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at 01:17 PM

I started having unsweetened coconut milk/coconut oil in my coffee during my morning fast and it works great! The coconut milk does add some carbs, but very few and it helps with the 16 hr. IF time.

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at 11:55 AM

Looking forward to what everybody thinks about this as I have been wondering the same.

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on April 29, 2011
at 11:54 AM

Mat Lalonde was on the healthy skeptic podcast here

In it he and Robb Wolf talk about IF and he said that in order to minimize the stress response from cortisol, yet also get the autophagy from protein fasting, he will have some coconut milk for breakfast. He said it has helped him.

I say try it and see what happens, but definitely report back because we all want to hear your results!

3020fb359dfbedaf90f1611b036d3432

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on April 29, 2011
at 05:49 PM

I listened to that podcast, and the previous one that Mat was on. The reason he is doing the fat breakfast is out of convenience because he wanted to stop eating such a massive lunch/dinner needed on an IF to meet caloric needs and not under-eat. This way he is able to spread out the calories more throughout the day, and yes, keep the benefits of autophagy. But, I don't know how it compares to water fasts, especially seeing as he is lean and not wanting to lose any weight. Thanks for the response though!

51691d78e11ef532374f0205d0069f96

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on April 29, 2011
at 01:17 PM

I started having unsweetened coconut milk/coconut oil in my coffee during my morning fast and it works great! The coconut milk does add some carbs, but very few and it helps with the 16 hr. IF time.

03281912f1cb9e4e771a8a83af302e3a

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on April 29, 2011
at 03:33 PM

Thank you for this link. I'm totally nerding out today.

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on April 29, 2011
at 01:40 PM

I am Facebook friends with Leslie Fife. Her husband is Dr. Bruce Fife. He is an author of countless books on coconut oil and coconut benefits. I asked her this question this morning. She says to add VCO to your fasting, because it kicks the ketones up which of course increases fat burning.

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on April 29, 2011
at 08:46 PM

I am in ketosis. Leslie Fife and I are doing a 24 hour fast right now and I am in Ketosis. I had 2 TBS of coconut oil today. She said that she was going to do 5 - 6 during the fast. I just have been busy. Maybe I will go have another now, since it will be a good hour plus until I eat.

3020fb359dfbedaf90f1611b036d3432

(1138)

on April 29, 2011
at 05:59 PM

Ya, my lunch is accompanied by coconut oil with green tea just for that reason, and I am in ketosis during the day (maybe not after some dinners where I eat a lot of starches). But would adding even more in the morning provide even more of a benefit?

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on April 29, 2011
at 01:08 PM

I'm not trying to lose weight, but I have been fasting 16/8, no breakfast--but heavy cream with coffee--then lunch and dinner heavy on the coconut oil. (This ketogenic diet really helps with headaches for me). When I started this regime, I was afraid I might lose weight, but have been very steady. However, I do eat quite a few calories in my 8 hour window.

An interesting twist on this idea is The Shangri-La Diet, by Seth Roberts. I am always looking for ideas to help family members with weight issues, and I recently came across this. He has pulled together a lot of interesting research. Bottom line, he believes consuming something caloric between meals that your mind doesn't associate with sustenance will lower your set point. Sounds like voodoo, I know, but some of the research is fascinating. He suggests extra light olive oil, however, MCT (gag!) oil might be a good choice.

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on April 29, 2011
at 07:10 PM

If I understand him correctly, if you are accustomed to the taste in a meal or snacking context it would not work. That's why I suggested MCT oil. I tried it when I was experimenting with ketagenic variables. IMO, it tastes like what I imagine motor oil might taste like.

3020fb359dfbedaf90f1611b036d3432

(1138)

on April 29, 2011
at 05:53 PM

I follow Seth's blog, but I haven't read the book. I'm not going to use olive oil, but if I use butter/cream/coconut oil which I do consider (tasty, tasty) sustenance if it'd provoke the same desired effect. I'm unclear on his hypothesis, if it tastes good does it still count?

Fe29f6658ce67c1ecc4a22e960be7498

(2997)

on May 05, 2011
at 12:20 AM

This is the one that I began with! It satisfied the geeky part of me. It 'worked' pretty well but as I learned more about it I ended up reading Good Calories Bad Calories and everything changed. Then I tweaked that further to go paleo.

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